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Well, like I said, I think part of that is just how most of the Stand Users are kids/teens with superpowers and no responsibility. Hazamada having violent thoughts about what he wants to do to people who make fun of him probably wouldn't be nearly as damaging if he didn't have the means to actually carry out his desires undetected. You do have very weird cases like Rohan, where he becomes almost a different person entirely for his next appearance, but it is what it is. Yukako probably wouldn't have been much different without the hair powers, though. 
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I have sorta mixed feelings on part 4. I loved the lower-stakes setting and more relaxed pace, especially since I'm now making my way through part 5, which does not seem like it's ever going to stop to catch its breath, but I was also really bothered by the odd color scheme and the yellow sky, and how every character who wasn't Koichi (and the chef dude, he was cool) was a deranged lunatic. Also compared to part 5 which is in Bella Italia and has more grounded and reasonable characters despite being actively devoted to ultraviolence. The twink era at this point has lasted longer than the beedcake era, so the beefcake designs are really the outlier
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Aug 23, 2020 15:35
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I have sorta mixed feelings on part 4. I loved the lower-stakes setting and more relaxed pace, especially since I'm now making my way through part 5, which does not seem like it's ever going to stop to catch its breath, but I was also really bothered by the odd color scheme and the yellow sky, and how every character who wasn't Koichi (and the chef dude, he was cool) was a deranged lunatic. Also compared to part 5 which is in Bella Italia and has more grounded and reasonable characters despite being actively devoted to ultraviolence. That was a Fist of the North Star thing, really, before Araki completely found his own voice
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Aug 23, 2020 15:58
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yeah, the thing to realize is that at this point jojo as a series is way more defined by parts 4-8 than it is the ones before that. 3 clings to relevance by being a popular thing back when it was coming out, but even it's kind of off by itself given how much of a mess it kind of is at times. 4 is when araki starts to work out just what the gently caress he wants stands to be. if you're big on 4 then congratulations, cuz the rest of the series kind of keys off of similar things going forward.
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Aug 23, 2020 16:05
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Beamed posted:Just an update since I persisted past Stardust Crusaders into Part 4. It was the early series that got the most attraction, by breaking the series out into it's own thing with the concept of stands, and before the David Pro anime adaptations it was the part that got the most outside media influence that also spread to the west (the arcade fighter and the OVAs were big in giving jjba a cult following in the west at the time. There are likely other factors too like the adventure aspect and Jotaro being Japanese compared to the previous jojos.
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Aug 23, 2020 16:17
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Iirc the main thing about why Stardust Crusaders is so popular is that at the time, there was really nothing like it, and a lot of shounen especially was embracing the tower of power levels, tournament arc style of storytelling while SC instead embraced a power plateau where it was less about kicking the asses of progressively stronger dudes, and more encountering weirder and weirder fight puzzles. Its definitely the part that’s aged the worst, though, 1 and 2 have looped around to being retro and 4 on are still pretty fresh and unique even now, but 3 feeling out its legs plus 30 years of imitators hammering its best and worst aspects into the ground have really kinda soured it to the modern viewer.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:14
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it doesn't help that the part 3 anime was extended into two full seasons despite literally being shorter than part 4. there's a lot of dead time going on in it.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:25
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I bounced off part 1 real hard and skipped straight to Stardust Crusaders since it's what I heard everyone mention and got totally hooked. Part 4 is overall better but Part 3 is my favorite.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:53
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TheKingslayer posted:I bounced off part 1 real hard and skipped straight to Stardust Crusaders since it's what I heard everyone mention and got totally hooked. Part 4 is overall better but Part 3 is my favorite. What the gently caress? Skipping part 2 is some wack-rear end bullshit
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Aug 23, 2020 22:11
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I can't believe they made a live-action Jojo movie and called it "Chapter 1". That's Divergent levels of franchise dreaming. I strongly doubt there'll be a Chapter 2. I don't think a direct adaptation of Jojo can work for much the same reason The Last Airbender flopped. It works because it's a serialized cartoon. It can afford to be lax and not overly grounded in reality. The appeal is in the monster-of-the-week stuff which takes up 90 percent of the running time. The overarching plot of 3-6 can be summed in a page each. You could make a movie with the same sense of humour and puzzle-fight tendency of Jojo, but it would have to be an original story that's meant to be a three-act/ hundred-minute story.
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Aug 23, 2020 22:41
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I don’t know how you can say SC aged the worst when Part 2 has Literally Everything about von Stroheim.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I can't believe they made a live-action Jojo movie and called it "Chapter 1". That's Divergent levels of franchise dreaming. I strongly doubt there'll be a Chapter 2. Yeah right now i'm trying to figure how the hell you can fit stardust into one and a half hours.
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Aug 23, 2020 22:47
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Regalingualius posted:I don’t know how you can say SC aged the worst when Part 2 has Literally Everything about von Stroheim. i kind of dislike a lot of aspects about part 2 so i generally just don't talk about it, myself 
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Aug 23, 2020 22:48
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Fargin Icehole posted:Yeah right now i'm trying to figure how the hell you can fit stardust into one and a half hours. trim it down to the egyptian villa fights, combining both darbies
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Aug 23, 2020 22:49
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Regalingualius posted:I don’t know how you can say SC aged the worst when Part 2 has Literally Everything about von Stroheim. What's bad about him
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Aug 23, 2020 22:49
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Regalingualius posted:I don’t know how you can say SC aged the worst when Part 2 has Literally Everything about von Stroheim. "Aged poorly" means something has gotten worse or less acceptable since the time it was produced. Unless Battle Tendency was written 80 years ago, I don't think that applies.
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Aug 23, 2020 22:53
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FirstAidKite posted:Wheel of Fortune is an incredibly underrated fight. I think this was the fight that made me fall in love with the series, but it got overshadowed by weirder things later. Also I think the whole "Haha Part 3 is over" joke is probably the least funny gag in Jojo
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Aug 23, 2020 23:07
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Regalingualius posted:I don’t know how you can say SC aged the worst when Part 2 has Literally Everything about von Stroheim. Part 2 
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Aug 23, 2020 23:38
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I can't believe they made a live-action Jojo movie and called it "Chapter 1". That's Divergent levels of franchise dreaming. I strongly doubt there'll be a Chapter 2. i thought it was chapter 1 because it was literally only the first arc of DiU
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Aug 23, 2020 23:43
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Terror Sweat posted:What's bad about him Hes a nazi hth
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Aug 24, 2020 00:52
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I kind of wish his death had been revised to something fittingly undignified, like “drowned in a latrine pit”.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:01
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I like the way BT handles Stroheim. His interests just happen to align with those of the main characters because the bad guys want to destroy Nazi Germany along with everywhere else. A suitably wacky idea for the series Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:35
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basically the nazis find a biologically superior master race and don't like the idea it isn't them
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Aug 24, 2020 02:32
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I maintain that Part 5 did its general plot better than Part 3 by giving the cast little goals to shoot towards on the final battle, though Part 3 had a lot more breaks and fun moments to help endear the cast to the viewer.
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Aug 24, 2020 02:40
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Tunicate posted:basically the nazis find a biologically superior master race and don't like the idea it isn't them The irony is a bit clearer in the manga, where the narrator mentions that the Nazis believed that Germans were "more evolved" than other people.
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Aug 24, 2020 03:02
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Setting aside the irony, you still have the situation where Stroheim is introduced massacring and draining the blood of a small village who shifts first into "dangerous, unwelcome ally" and then to "he may be a jerk, but he fights with us (hurray)!" I like part 2 quite a bit, but that ain't exactly hot.
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Aug 24, 2020 03:26
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I can't believe they made a live-action Jojo movie and called it "Chapter 1". That's Divergent levels of franchise dreaming. I strongly doubt there'll be a Chapter 2. The Takashi Miike movie was good, it just wasn't fabulous enough. Needed to lean into more posing.
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Aug 24, 2020 03:29
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Takashi miike makes two kinds of movies, ones where he is dead set on making something absolutely loving insane and memorable and one where he’s just not giving a poo poo, collecting a pay check and fulfilling an obligation so he can get back to making the first kind. His JJBA movie was, sadly, the second kind.
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Schwarzwald posted:Setting aside the irony, you still have the situation where Stroheim is introduced massacring and draining the blood of a small village who shifts first into "dangerous, unwelcome ally" and then to "he may be a jerk, but he fights with us (hurray)!" I dunno, I think there's something funny about Stroheim loudly proclaiming that Germans are the best before managing to gently caress things up for everyone for the twentieth time. I think the only time he ever actually manages to do something that is helpful without immediately undercutting himself is saving Joseph from Kars in the final battle. And that was after he already helped Kars become the Ultimate Lifeform.
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Aug 24, 2020 04:05
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i would be more willing to believe that stroheim was possibly a joke at the expense of the nazis if there wasn't the whole tragic 'mark the friendly nazi' segment where we're supposed to feel sad that he gets half-vaporized
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Aug 24, 2020 04:07
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Right, or how the Animal House ending basically lauded Stroheim for his final stand in Stalingrad.
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Aug 24, 2020 04:38
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I feel like a lot of the nazi stuff in part 2 is just Araki being excited about indiana jones
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Aug 24, 2020 05:42
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One of the best gags in Part 2 is when an obviously evil ancient creature with demonic and vampiric features awakens, then possess and kills a bunch of people (with body-horror involved) and Joseph is like "Wait wait, he has only killed nazis so far, right? He might actually be a swell guy".
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Aug 24, 2020 10:49
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He does have a point.
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I mean “total creep who abuses people with body horror crimes” is how 90% of JoJo party members are introduced, and only part 3 had the flesh bugs as an excuse. All Santviento had actually done before then was wake up in a cell in an armed compound and killed those who fired guns at him. Even if it weren’t just nazis he’d killed, asking him to stop and talk was very much the right response.
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Aug 24, 2020 13:06
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Von Stroheim could have been problematic if the show genuinely ever glorified him, but even during the Stunning Reveal that He's Actually Alive and a Robot Nazi Now, he was portrayed somewhat as menacing (and goofy). God I want to rewatch Part 2 now.
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Aug 25, 2020 06:19
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Do it. Part 2 is always good Joseph crawling away from Wamuu kills me every time
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Aug 25, 2020 06:53
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Joseph is literally a looney tunes character
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goblin week posted:Act 2 was better in every way and Koichi got robbed.
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Bell_ posted:I thought this doesn't happen until Part 5 nah, Echoes evolves into Act 3 in the fight with Sheer Heart Attack (which really should have been named Don’t Stop Me Now considering) for like no reason iirc. I haven’t watched Part 5 yet but I’ve seen clips of him using Act 2 for recon poo poo, so idk what the gently caress is going on with it.
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