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US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah
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US Berder Patrol fucked around with this message at 17:07 on May 14, 2022

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




PookBear posted:

I think cole is trying to say that law enforcement has no formal mechanism to select what type of people they hire while intentionally ignoring all of the informal ways that cops screen people out. By starting a culture way againsts black lives matter with blue lives matter, they are drawing a line in the sand that helps screen people sympathetic to BLM from applying while encouraging blue lives matter fucks to apply. Other ways that they keep people out is by simply never accepting people into the 'in' group or more overt ways such as being intentionally late to a call for back up or by just implying that their radios will magically stop working if someone they don't like calls for back up.

Yet they do in fact have just that, and fought in court to be allowed to exclude applicants who scored too highly as they are 'too intelligent' and may not stay in the position.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Liquid Communism posted:

Yet they do in fact have just that, and fought in court to be allowed to exclude applicants who scored too highly as they are 'too intelligent' and may not stay in the position.

My point is that law enforcement is a random collection of sheriff offices and local cops and as such have no nation wide, formal mechanism to screen people, but rather a lot of informal sanctions they can apply to screen people out and exclude them until they quit

There is no policy that says you have to attend west point to make general but magically that's how it works out.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Nepotism is not a quality screening.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
The lady seeing her dog get executed and just noping the gently caress out is really sad because she's not even remotely surprised at what happens :smith:

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
Mama always said the police are like a box of chocolates.

They'll kill your dog.

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008

TO THE POSTER THAT DARES
TO DEBATE THIS WARM GALE
BEWARE OF FOUL WEATHER
TOWARD MADNESS, SET SAIL

Toshokan posted:

So that means that anyone who would use…a folding stock on an AK, piston AR, or any other gun…is a Nazi?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I've been recalling this clip from a bad movie recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZyoBUIINw

The best part is that selecting the cops who are willing to "get a little dirty" instead of people like this straight-arrow is exactly how they ended up with one of their own on the SWAT team betraying them to the bad guy and nearly getting them killed. And they also depict the captain as some kind of politician or turncoat, but he's the one who gets rid of Jeremy Renner's character, who's basically a sociopath.

TCD posted:

I have a cousin whose - a nice guy. Doesn't get mad all that easy, laughs all the time, and really laid back.

Anyways, he entered the sheriffs academy for a major SoCal county. They pulled him aside and basically told him he didn't have the right temperament.

He's a teacher now.

Way back in the day I applied for a job at a residential facility with a school in for kids with psychological or behavioral issues. I felt like the interview was going great, but at the end the interviewer said I was "too calm" and "easygoing" for the job. I was confused, because I thought that was kind of the point, you set boundaries and follow the treatment plans for the kids and don't let any frustration, anxiety, or annoyance affect your work or interactions with them. It finally clicked that he was looking for someone who would basically be like a prison guard for the kids and keep them in line until they aged out and let them loose on the rest of the world without much progress or the tools to keep them out of jail.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Toshokan posted:

The best part is that selecting the cops who are willing to "get a little dirty" instead of people like this straight-arrow is exactly how they ended up with one of their own on the SWAT team betraying them to the bad guy and nearly getting them killed. And they also depict the captain as some kind of politician or turncoat, but he's the one who gets rid of Jeremy Renner's character, who's basically a sociopath.

Well, "David" still maintains that ~Thin Blue Line~ even though he's visibly uncomfortable with the idea of "getting a little dirty behind a street bust," too. So there's that as well.

Consequences? Those are for mortals with *lesser* jobs! :smuggo:

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
https://twitter.com/TonicsToxic/status/1297329144297005056

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

i dunno why I thought grip it and rip it was cole, but all they do is post here, the lawyer thread, and qcs lol

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
“Police-involved shooting”

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

gonna start calling the atomic bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki 'us/japan nuclear incident'

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

civilian involved white phosphorous incident

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
"US-involved wedding"

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

PookBear posted:

i dunno why I thought grip it and rip it was cole, but all they do is post here, the lawyer thread, and qcs lol

You're a real cyber sleuth. Are you sure you're not a cop

I have a guess as to why you were mistaken...

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Probably thought you were Cole because your posts are so monumentally terrible

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Imagine being a lawyer and also questioning the influence of white supremacy in American policing.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

yeah I legit confused cole being dense with your intentional bad faith arguments

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Wrll if he says this negativity makes him think about killing himself we'll know its chifashy

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Stravag posted:

Wrll if he says this negativity makes him think about killing himself we'll know its chifashy

:laffo:

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
What arguments are you talking about? When I asked a single question and the histrionics started?

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Grip it and rip it posted:

What arguments are you talking about? When I asked a single question and the histrionics started?

Nice meltdown

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Grip it and rip it posted:

What arguments are you talking about? When I asked a single question and the histrionics started?

you're a lawyer and you act like you don't understand how cops have various formal and informal methods to discourage/prevent the wrong people from becoming cops and getting promoted.

Go away.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

PookBear posted:

you're a lawyer and you act like you don't understand how cops have various formal and informal methods to discourage/prevent the wrong people from becoming cops and getting promoted.

Go away.

Hey man if you can't handle having a conversation then you don't have to participate. Me asking two questions isn't some big "aw shucks" performance, I wanted to have a conversation about how the policy that the police are enforcing is actually a product of upstream societal pressures. For whatever reason everyone in this thread would rather pretend to shout down some imagined police supporter than actually engage in any kind of dialogue whatsoever.

Take a break from reading the thread if you can't handle having a discussion.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
Sigh.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Your question hinged on a distinction without a difference.

Police exist to perpetuate and reinforce the race and class hierarchies in society. Abolishing those hierarchies requires abolishing the organizations which enforce them. Arguments for not abolishing one are arguments for keeping both.

(socialist society would also be a class society and would also need some kind of enforcement to keep property owners from charging rent or hoarding grain or forming private armies or whatever, i dunno if i'd call forces responsible for that "police" or not, but ehn)

Knives Amilli
Sep 26, 2014
Kenosha, come on down!

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1297698630875385856

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
Ughhhhhh man that's just.... gently caress. In a thread about cops wantonly murdering citizens, that's a whole new low. Your country is so hosed guys, jesus loving christ :smith:

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

They had a riot today. A car dealer burned the gently caress up and some stores looted.

edit : thinking about it, if people riot every time someone is murdered by a cop we might actually get some change

ded fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Aug 24, 2020

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Jesus loving christ.

Straight up assassination.

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008

TO THE POSTER THAT DARES
TO DEBATE THIS WARM GALE
BEWARE OF FOUL WEATHER
TOWARD MADNESS, SET SAIL

Toshokan posted:

So that means that anyone who would use…a folding stock on an AK, piston AR, or any other gun…is a Nazi?
Why are cops such wimps that three of them can't take down one unarmed guy without shooting him?

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Well when your main reason for picking a job is to get to shoot people without consequences you come up with any excuse you can to keep doing that

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Yeah, the flaw in your thought process is assuming that they want to avoid shooting anyone.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared
Fun Shoe

That loving little punk cop couldn't control the man? That piece of poo poo. What a loving crock. If he needed to get the guy and make sure he didn't drive off, he could've holstered his loving gun and grabbed him and restrained him.

Police in some states and localities are allowed to fire at fleeing suspects, but only if they have probable cause that the suspecr commited a felony. Some states don't allow it. Some states are more restrictive - you can only shoot a fleeing suspect when you hace probable cause to believe the suspect committed murder, forcible rape, arson, burglary, or kidnapping.

Police in some states and locales are allowed to shoot at vehicles if they are being used as weapons against the police - if they're about to ram or run over the cops.

This guy was fleeing a supposed fight - not even anything serious. On top of that, his fleeing wasn't going to pose a threat to the cops because they had plenty of time to get out of the way. There is no justification whatsoever for this shooting.

This is straight up murder.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
He wasn't fleeing a fight. He broke up the fight.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Bored As gently caress posted:

This is straight up a lynching

FTFY

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Some posters in the past have expressed that they don't like us calling the state's attempted murder of a black man a lynching because they didn't specifically try to hang him and they weren't successful. Those posters are dumb as gently caress though.

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008

TO THE POSTER THAT DARES
TO DEBATE THIS WARM GALE
BEWARE OF FOUL WEATHER
TOWARD MADNESS, SET SAIL

Toshokan posted:

So that means that anyone who would use…a folding stock on an AK, piston AR, or any other gun…is a Nazi?

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

Some posters in the past have expressed that they don't like us calling the state's attempted murder of a black man a lynching because they didn't specifically try to hang him and they weren't successful. Those posters are dumb as gently caress though.

Lol, gently caress those people.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


blah blah sparkling white supremacist murder blah

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




https://twitter.com/rajat_suresh/status/1297990085355409408?s=21

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