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I don’t particularly believe in the Kidlidibus theory but I don’t exactly get why they had him be child sized after the fight
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Aug 24, 2020 13:32
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:Everyone keeps saying Elidibus was just some kid, but he's got a pretty deep voice for one. he's using an ancient amaurotine voice changer because he got harassed on call of duty
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Aug 24, 2020 13:37
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I suspect the Amaurotians are just intensely paternalistic to everybody, including each other. (it's part of why they blew up)
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Aug 24, 2020 13:49
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Not to get too political in a random thread, but to follow up on the idea reflected in the thread title... gently caress, I can't stop thinking about this quote and reading it in Elidibus's voice
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Aug 24, 2020 13:51
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thetoughestbean posted:I don’t particularly believe in the Kidlidibus theory but I don’t exactly get why they had him be child sized after the fight That was his actual size. Hell, during the fuzzy flashbacks shown of the Convocation (allegedly) from Elidibus' POV, they're way taller than him. He also sounds way way younger in Japanese compared to the English VA.
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Aug 24, 2020 18:14
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Plus they’re immortal super wizards who can create poo poo out of thin air, teleport to the moon and across dimensions, and possess people, living and dead. His voice being deeper might just be some of the last vestiges of his “great hero” persona/fantasy.
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Aug 24, 2020 18:23
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Since he has no face, changing his voice would have been the obvious way to convey "a kid all along," and since they didn't do that I assume that was not the intention. Having Elidibus be a child sacrifice also completely changes the subtext of "My brothers... my friends" and I don't think that's desirable.
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Aug 24, 2020 18:27
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There's definitely something to him being younger, since if you're a Lalafell he's actually a bit shorter than you. He probably chose to become Zodiark's heart, but presumably that's missing the point - a willing sacrifice is still a sacrifice.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:08
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Rand Brittain posted:Since he has no face, changing his voice would have been the obvious way to convey "a kid all along," and since they didn't do that I assume that was not the intention. While from my perspective, why make him smaller than a Lalafell and have people talk to him the way they do if not to signify that he's a child? Also changing the voice takes more work than taking the Amaroutine model and shrinking it.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:21
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The first three or four quests of 5.3 are about children with the best of intentions dreaming of becoming Warriors of Light, and then you literally fight the idealized Warrior of Light and find out after beating him he's the same size as the Amaurotine children you see learning how to create stuff in the Amaurot side quests, and treated by the other Amaurotines in the exact same way as those children are
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Aug 24, 2020 20:28
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Well, re: voice, it was pointed out that elidibus’ Japanese VA sounds a lot younger than his wisened old wizard voice in English, and also the dub staff may just have not had enough turnaround time to hire someone younger sounding for the role, even if they did realize the twist.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:56
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I think the whole "you're punching a baby" angle is a crude caricature of a reading that could easily make sense if you imagine someone Alphinaud's age at the heart of it
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Aug 24, 2020 20:57
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the japanese VA still does not sound remotely childlike, he just sounds like a regular adult rather than particularly old or young *edit* also arent the various language scripts written pretty much concurrently? if there was a "twist" the NA staff would have been in on it YES bread fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Aug 24, 2020 21:00
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I think the whole "you're punching a baby" angle is a crude caricature of a reading that could easily make sense if you imagine someone Alphinaud's age at the heart of it I don’t think anyone’s claimed otherwise, like, nobody’s saying he was the amaurotian equivalent of an 8 year old, but model size plus the way other members of the council talk to him in flashbacks pretty heavily imply that he’s an aphinaud-style Precocious Teen if anything.
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Aug 24, 2020 21:03
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:Everyone keeps saying Elidibus was just some kid, but he's got a pretty deep voice for one. They do change his voice, just not his voice actor. Listen to his delivery in those final scenes versus all the previous ones. It's less harsh and more vulnerable. And it's not like he previously didn't have scenes that required him to convey grief or contemplation. Even compared to those it's a different delivery. It's not a complicated process really. "Why did they make a child model for the heart of this creature that has been conveyed in the past as a child?". Gee I don't know, because he's actually kind of young?
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Aug 24, 2020 21:50
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I think regardless of whether it's intended literally it's meant to communicate how much the single-minded goals of Elidibus and by extension the Ascians left them in a state of arrested development, unable to move on and find a place in the new sundered world, even Emet-Selch who put in a token bad faith effort
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Aug 24, 2020 22:00
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CYBEReris posted:I think regardless of whether it's intended literally it's meant to communicate how much the single-minded goals of Elidibus and by extension the Ascians left them in a state of arrested development, unable to move on and find a place in the new sundered world, even Emet-Selch who put in a token bad faith effort ES’s token bad faith effort was pretty successful. Dude set up multiple calamity-causing empires
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Aug 24, 2020 22:13
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thetoughestbean posted:ES’s token bad faith effort was pretty successful. Dude set up multiple calamity-causing empires successful for like, ascian goals, not so much for finding a healthy niche in the ecosystem
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Aug 24, 2020 22:29
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CYBEReris posted:successful for like, ascian goals, not so much for finding a healthy niche in the ecosystem That's like saying the pixies failed to create a flourishing economy. Emet literally never even tried to make any of the empires he built 'healthy', he built those empires up specifically so they would go on to destroy the world. Sometimes multiple times.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:05
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Unfortunately, the Allagan Empire was TOO good at loving up
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Aug 25, 2020 00:07
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All of you that are screaming "ELIDIBUS ISNT A CHILD" are the densest motherfuckers on the planet. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 25, 2020 00:42
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Cleretic posted:That's like saying the pixies failed to create a flourishing economy. Emet literally never even tried to make any of the empires he built 'healthy', he built those empires up specifically so they would go on to destroy the world. Sometimes multiple times. uh that's kinda what I'm saying though? there was a desire somewhere to connect with these people, he had kids and poo poo when he never had to, but all of it was tainted by his more compulsory desire to fulfill the mission of zodiark.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:49
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CYBEReris posted:uh that's kinda what I'm saying though? there was a desire somewhere to connect with these people, he had kids and poo poo when he never had to, but all of it was tainted by his more compulsory desire to fulfill the mission of zodiark. Yeah I misread what the “token effort” was, I thought you were saying that he was doing a token effort for the Ascian cause Mordiceius posted:All of you that are screaming "ELIDIBUS ISNT A CHILD" are the densest motherfuckers on the planet. Seems a bit rude and needlessly aggressive
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Aug 25, 2020 01:04
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Mordiceius posted:All of you that are screaming "ELIDIBUS ISNT A CHILD" are the densest motherfuckers on the planet. are people actually screaming this or do people just disagree that some of the signs of it aren't that obvious. I think it's dumb if he's a kid but it's not like it ruins the game or something
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Aug 25, 2020 02:04
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https://twitter.com/ffxivbattletip_/status/1297611566204858368?s=20 5.4 starts with us finally getting dinner with Aymeric.
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Aug 25, 2020 04:03
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It is weird how some characters have basically been in stasis for two expansions' worth of time (poor Unukalhai in the Solar)
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Aug 25, 2020 04:07
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unk isn't in stasis, he's just chillin'. if you pop in on him during shadowbringers he'll have updating dialogue reflecting various poo poo you've done.
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Aug 25, 2020 07:29
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:(poor Unukalhai in the Solar) Speaking of children thrust into situations beyond their control or understanding.
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Aug 25, 2020 07:48
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I miss Midgardsormr 
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Aug 25, 2020 08:12
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Its Rinaldo posted:I miss Midgardsormr he has earned his nap
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Aug 25, 2020 08:18
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Slider posted:Best part of the patch was the emet hand wave I still don't know if I was supposed to know the friendly Ascian was Emet-Selch until then, but when that handwave happened it blew my mind. Such great work by the team building characters to such a detail level that a little gesture like that is immediately recognizable.
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Aug 25, 2020 15:21
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:unk isn't in stasis, he's just chillin'. if you pop in on him during shadowbringers he'll have updating dialogue reflecting various poo poo you've done. Holy poo poo, this game's attention to detail.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:00
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:unk isn't in stasis, he's just chillin'. if you pop in on him during shadowbringers he'll have updating dialogue reflecting various poo poo you've done. Yeah but other characters have a semblance of life because they show up in cutscenes or at least idle in different places as the story progresses. He's been standing in the same instance inside another instance for years lol
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Aug 25, 2020 17:09
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah but other characters have a semblance of life because they show up in cutscenes or at least idle in different places as the story progresses. He's a NEET okay?
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Aug 25, 2020 17:19
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Wait, do linkpearls mean that Eorzeans can get food delivered?
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Aug 25, 2020 17:24
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Cleretic posted:That's like saying the pixies failed to create a flourishing economy. Emet literally never even tried to make any of the empires he built 'healthy', he built those empires up specifically so they would go on to destroy the world. Sometimes multiple times. To be fair, I'm not actually entirely sure that's true. Emet seem to have had a very indecisive attitude towards his nation-states; whether it's just because of the scope of time involved in the span between "prosperous empire" and "dissolving catastrophe engine" he seems to have taken pains to build empires he found at least somewhat personally appealing. For example, in his guise as Solus, encouraging the arts and creativity in Garlemald doesn't exactly suit its fascistic purposes. If nothing else, since Emet presumably perceives time like a Spoken and not a dragon, he doesn't exactly go into centuries-long naps, so he's gotta spend time in the places he builds. Emet seems to have repeatedly tried to go native, in the same way that Elidibus seems to have encouraged and posed as heroes throughout the history of the various Shards even if he was not actually the original Warrior of Light. (He explicitly says he's imitating the Warrior of Light.) Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 18:56
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I still love that Emet loved the theater so much that they had to ban it after he died because his family was sick of it.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:11
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SirSamVimes posted:he has earned his nap He was napping for fifteen years! Just want to have him and Feo Ul to dramatically appear to poo poo talk me like my own fantasy royal Statler and Waldorf Jetrauben posted:To be fair, I'm not actually entirely sure that's true. Emet seem to have had a very indecisive attitude towards his nation-states; whether it's just because of the scope of time involved in the span between "prosperous empire" and "dissolving catastrophe engine" he seems to have taken pains to build empires he found at least somewhat personally appealing. For example, in his guise as Solus, encouraging the arts and creativity in Garlemald doesn't exactly suit its fascistic purposes. If nothing else, since Emet presumably perceives time like a Spoken and not a dragon, he doesn't exactly go into centuries-long naps, so he's gotta spend time in the places he builds. Going to plays while you're sitting around waiting for your engineered evil empire to commit crimes while blowing up planetary populations doesn't exactly halt the boot stomping on the human face forever behaviors you set them up to do. Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 19:13
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SirSamVimes posted:he has earned his nap If he can hang out with us and be dead at the same time, he can hang out with us and be dead and nap at the same time.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:20
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Its Rinaldo posted:He was napping for fifteen years! Sure, but like, a lot of Garlemald's whole deal seems to have initially involved a lot of genuine improvement for the lives of individual Garleans, and of course Allag for a very long time was a genuinely thriving and prosperous empire which bettered the lives of a lot of people before degenerating into its latter decadence of monstrous tyranny. Doesn't excuse the evil fascistic stages, but it implies Emet was doing a lot of genuine nation-building as well as "setting up unwieldy nightmare state prone to collapse." You need a prosperous stage before your empire can fall apart sufficiently nastily. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 19:23
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