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i realize this has been going on for years now, but i’ve seen another round of tweets from liberal white women about how a guy having Infinite Jest on his book shelf is a huge red flag. the discourse around IJ is so ridiculous it’s really just bewildering to me. i actually have read it and it’s a good book — though i understand why many would be put off not only by its size but also its style — and one that is actually quite prescient and still relevant given the overwhelming amount of Entertainment being produced today. i’m curious what these women think it’s about, though i suppose they just had bad experiences with guys who had it on their shelves in college and are just extrapolating from that or something. anyway it is a good book, i will defend it (though not DFW apparently being an abuser), and people are really psychotic about it
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i realize this has been going on for years now, but i’ve seen another round of tweets from liberal white women about how a guy having Infinite Jest on his book shelf is a huge red flag. the discourse around IJ is so ridiculous it’s really just bewildering to me. i actually have read it and it’s a good book — though i understand why many would be put off not only by its size but also its style — and one that is actually quite prescient and still relevant given the overwhelming amount of Entertainment being produced today. i’m curious what these women think it’s about, though i suppose they just had bad experiences with guys who had it on their shelves in college and are just extrapolating from that or something. there was a good tweet that I can’t find now that all these types of threads are all just people blatantly complaining about their exes and generalizing
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like most things its a confluence. legitimate backlash over people using media consumption as a badge of status as well as a cudgel to wield their privilege against others, also legitimate grievance with what's sold as the literary canon almost entirely being written by privileged white dudes, that then merged with peoples insecurity about their own media consumption habits, longform intense literature being at complete odds with current trends in text media, a general popular insecurity with what a loving intellectual wasteland popular media has become, and the ease of using reductionist woke strawman as dummies to grind out social media clout a lot of reactionary stuff distorts "accepted ideas have problems or lack certain context" into "i dont want to think about things, and thinking about things is bad, actually". tbf thats one of the few reactionary things that's not exclusive to one ideological community and is as much a problem with the left as it is with libs but yeah a lot of the twitter discourse on it is the same genre as "bernie is like all the loser shitheads i chose to date for some reason"
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What was DFW guilty of, besides occasionally dressing like a roadie? I’ve never heard of any abuse allegations.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i realize this has been going on for years now, but i’ve seen another round of tweets from liberal white women about how a guy having Infinite Jest on his book shelf is a huge red flag. the discourse around IJ is so ridiculous it’s really just bewildering to me. i actually have read it and it’s a good book — though i understand why many would be put off not only by its size but also its style — and one that is actually quite prescient and still relevant given the overwhelming amount of Entertainment being produced today. i’m curious what these women think it’s about, though i suppose they just had bad experiences with guys who had it on their shelves in college and are just extrapolating from that or something. Your summary pretty much nails it. It reeks of literary "mad cuz bad". They bounced off the book (not hard to do) at all and assume anyone who didn't is either lying or some flavor of Bad Person. Most of the time they say the person who owns it didn't actually read it and they're a poser. I did it on audiobook because there was no way I could do it on my own power, it had to be drip fed into the spaces of time where my attention span could focus.
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mysterious frankie posted:What was DFW guilty of, besides occasionally dressing like a roadie? I’ve never heard of any abuse allegations. a bit of a summary here, or google david foster wallace mary karr for more https://www.bustle.com/p/mary-karr-speaks-out-about-david-foster-wallace-amid-literatures-metoo-movement-9003387
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there are so many “red flag” type tweets for guys who apparently like certain books (IJ, hemingway, bukowski) and movies (scorcese) but not enough for music, it’s very disappointing i want some wild music tweets with the same premise, like “ladies..... if the guy you’re seeing says his favorite black metal album is filosofem — run!!”
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Aug 24, 2020 18:28
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infinite jest is good. i'll grant that dfw was about as straight and white as they come and so his poc and trans characters in IJ are... not great. but it's still good i strongly suspect that the anti-dfw folks should really be directing their hate towards dave eggers instead, but i've never read a dave eggers book
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So long as Joyce and Pynchon, my adolescent smarty pants obsessions, are still ok. To the best of my understanding Joyce was just a sex weirdo & Nora was like, “lol, yeah, I’ll fart all over your stuff, w/e” And then it’s kinda hard to terrorize people when you do everything in your power to avoid them, so I think Pynchon is still fine.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:there are so many “red flag” type tweets for guys who apparently like certain books (IJ, hemingway, bukowski) and movies (scorcese) but not enough for music, it’s very disappointing "i listen to everything except country and rap"
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eddie pepitone's new special is c-spam as gently caress. Eddie Pepitone: For the Masses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGZqSMbO2-Q
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Bro Dad posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tWKJwyG6Y my superpower is having
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Peanut President posted:"i listen to everything except country and rap" boring!!! needs more specificity
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Aug 24, 2020 20:33
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poptimism and the general takeover of hip-hop in pop music in the mid-2010s has made the mainstream music scene a lot less balkanized. in the early 2000s you had your blog music, remnants of scenesters, club rap, country, etc., and the various fans mostly stayed away from each other. nowadays everybody everywhere is giving their hot take on the new taylor album and every rap song has a dababy feature with the same exact flow i actually like rap these days (and most new music) but it's pretty same-y and therefore it's hard to make stereotypes about people via music preferences
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:there are so many “red flag” type tweets for guys who apparently like certain books (IJ, hemingway, bukowski) and movies (scorcese) but not enough for music, it’s very disappointing the common thread is most likely guys who buy certain books and movies as signifiers and only incidentally tried to read or watch them
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Finally a decent looking show? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnwttF7uv1I
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Nice to see Ridley Scott continue his old age existential crisis being explored via ancient aliens themed poo poo. Looks just about as subtle as Prometheus too. Robogirlboss vs Le evil religious space marines. Should be fun schlock.
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Is anyone watching Lovecraft Country? A guy I know is streaming it on Mondays
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StashAugustine posted:Is anyone watching Lovecraft Country? A guy I know is streaming it on Mondays Ep1 was good, hopefully it can keep this energy up.
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StashAugustine posted:Is anyone watching Lovecraft Country? A guy I know is streaming it on Mondays you mean streaming it on a stream and watching along with viewers? i guess thats a whole genre now huh. entertainment is weird these days
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thatfatkid posted:Nice to see Ridley Scott continue his old age existential crisis being explored via ancient aliens themed poo poo. my favourite part of prometheus is when the bridge crew acts pumped to ram the juggernaut as sarcastically as possible because the studio leaned hard on scott for there to be a big heroic sacrifice
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StashAugustine posted:Is anyone watching Lovecraft Country? A guy I know is streaming it on Mondays Ive been waiting until there was a bingable chunk available. I read one review that kinda bagged on it, mainly imo as a way to complain about Monkeypaw/Peele. Have you seen any of it? If so, opinion?
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actually that's a lie, my favourite part of prometheus is every moment fassbender in on screen
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Prometheus is Final Destination in space and it rules.
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Hodgepodge posted:actually that's a lie, my favourite part of prometheus is every moment fassbender in on screen That’s a true statement anytime a Fassbender has been recorded acting.
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i didn't like prometheus when i first saw it, but on a rewatch i found that i actually liked it. covenant was also good just for how weird it is. and the double fassbender fight is rad because of just how creepy and eerie it is to watch
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mysterious frankie posted:So long as Joyce and Pynchon, my adolescent smarty pants obsessions, are still ok. pynchon is good as hell, also i found both the book and movie versions of inherent vice very entertaining
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babypolis posted:you mean streaming it on a stream and watching along with viewers? i guess thats a whole genre now huh. entertainment is weird these days Eh it started as a quarantine movie night for some people in a sci-fi books discord, its not like hes got a Twitch account or something  First so tonight, will report back
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Complaints about Prometheus lacking realism show an unearned faith in the infallible logic that capitalist royalty must posses, because otherwise how’d they get all that money? Like, based on what we know now about our current billionaires, why wouldn’t you think one would waste a ridiculous amount of money sending scientists out to space in order to discover alien life, mainly so he can live longer, and all the scientists he picks for his dipshit plan are going to 2089’s version of Joe Rogan regulars. Scott adjusted his pessimism accordingly to fit the era his newest alien movie is filmed in. The first Alien was depressing because the faceless corporations send people out like drones in ugly, dripping industrial hell boxes in order to make number get bigger; Prometheus is depressing because the corporation has a face and he’s a scared moron that will destroy humanity if necessary to get a few more guaranteed years. E: like, if someone could convince Peter Thiel he could live forever if he just sent a bunch of scientists weird enough to get his attention out into space to discover aliens, there would dead canisters of disgraced doctorate holders who thought weird poo poo like cryotherapy cures rickets orbiting most planets in our solar system. mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 23:29 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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double negative posted:pynchon is good as hell, also i found both the book and movie versions of inherent vice very entertaining Pynchon is great and I am only slightly embarrassed I got into him because of a Yo La Tengo song.
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mysterious frankie posted:Complaints about Prometheus lacking realism show an unearned faith in the infallible logic that capitalist royalty must posses, because otherwise how’d they get all that money? Hey to be fair, some of those picks were made by his fail-children wanting a big inheritance trying to save money by hiring cheap. Also Prometheus is amazing, but then again I went in to the movie with unreasonably high expectations and I was still blown away so maybe don’t listen to me.
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Aglet56 posted:One time I was drinking with my coworkers after a work event and one of them got some edibles (prior to legalization) so I ate one and we made our way over to the metreon in SF, hoping to see a movie. Our choice? Prometheus
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Aglet56 posted:poptimism and the general takeover of hip-hop in pop music in the mid-2010s has made the mainstream music scene a lot less balkanized. in the early 2000s you had your blog music, remnants of scenesters, club rap, country, etc., and the various fans mostly stayed away from each other. nowadays everybody everywhere is giving their hot take on the new taylor album and every rap song has a dababy feature with the same exact flow now and forever, Poptimism Was A Mistake
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StashAugustine posted:Is anyone watching Lovecraft Country? A guy I know is streaming it on Mondays it has some cool ideas and i really wanted to like it but it just feels really cheap and hokey to me idk. probably not going to watch the rest after the loving gil-scott heron montage in the second episode lol
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Prometheus has amazing production values contrasted with a dumb as gently caress concept/story and characters that actively go out of their way to die in hilariously stupid ways. It's fun.
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Prometheus is alien as a golden age sci-fi throwback and does awe of the unknown incredibly well. characters are secondary to the concepts and I’d reckon if there were more complete characterization (other than Fassbdnder’s robot) the movie wouldn’t work as well
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