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a motif would be recurring imagery/symbolism, basically. here it's the consistent references to them being in an hrpg but fetish content by itself isn't really the purpose of the manga. every time they bring something like the hgame stat sheet it's setting up another "oh, you wanted to be a girl loved by girls" *mc blushes and looks down* panel
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yeah, like the corruption used in the latest chapter, it was def playing into it as its use of a porn motif. the entire setup is to make you think she is going to start reveling in sexual decadence and instead its her just saying "i am going to be a cute lady forever"Pollyanna posted:I’m racking my brain trying to figure out why I identified it as fetishy and I can’t come up with a good reason. tis cool
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I don't think "fetishy" is necessarily the right word, but the charm skill and the increasing focus on turning other people into girls whether they want it or not is a little offputting for me. It's becoming less about the hero wanting to be a girl loved by girls, and more about how everyone on the planet secretly wants to be a girl loved by girls and therefore it's cool and good to spread that to the unsuspecting masses by any means necessary.
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"Whether they want it or not" i.e. unconsenting is the crux of my unease. It's the "forced" part of, well, you know. The guild member requested it, so whatever, but that one hiring adventurer did not. That gave me some pause. The concert thing is less clear. I assume all involved knew the effects. The rest of it, whatever. Also strange to me is the insistence on all girls being small cutesy etc (I might be wrong on this). That's not a bad thing but...there's many kinds of girls out there? Not all of us are like that. And every time I see a work like this it's always the same drat thing. Give us some variety and representation please. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't think "fetishy" is necessarily the right word, but the charm skill and the increasing focus on turning other people into girls whether they want it or not is a little offputting for me. It's becoming less about the hero wanting to be a girl loved by girls, and more about how everyone on the planet secretly wants to be a girl loved by girls and therefore it's cool and good to spread that to the unsuspecting masses by any means necessary. this kinda bugs me too but its not really trying to make sweeping statements just play into the fantasy of the whole "wow get a cis woman body easily and lesbians like me" with like humor and that viewpoint is just kinda ignoring everything else. it happening to more people gives it a commonplace feeling which makes it feel quick and easy. Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 14:21
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if you write a series where everyone is incredibly happy to be girls you're probably exploring some stuff yourself so im willing to give the author some slack like its basically of the same genre as jokes about 5g towers making everyone girls where people go 'haha i wish' or whatever, jsut messing around with the transformative fantasy Pollyanna posted:Also strange to me is the insistence on all girls being small cutesy etc (I might be wrong on this). That's not a bad thing but...there's many kinds of girls out there? Not all of us are like that.
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I mean, not untrue, but I guess I would just like to see a more realistic exploration of it all. Iunno. This is where my own hangups show up. vvv That is fair!! Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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I think realistic explorations are good but the magical gendersword manga probably isnt the best platform for it
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i wish my body was smaller and cuter so it would be easier for saria arknights to lift me up and carry me around  Pollyanna posted:I mean, not untrue, but I guess I would just like to see a more realistic exploration of it all. Iunno. This is where my own hangups show up. yeah like, the transformation style stuff just doesn't play into that as often. its self insert wish fulfillment, realism just doesn't factor in. and of course one person's wish fulfillment isn't everybody's
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I hope the Demon King shows up, and they're a guy who was transformed from a girl and prefers it, and the final showdown genderswaps the world.
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't think "fetishy" is necessarily the right word, but the charm skill and the increasing focus on turning other people into girls whether they want it or not is a little offputting for me. It's becoming less about the hero wanting to be a girl loved by girls, and more about how everyone on the planet secretly wants to be a girl loved by girls and therefore it's cool and good to spread that to the unsuspecting masses by any means necessary. Honestly this reminds me a bit of early El Goonish Shive before Dan Shive figured out that their gender was melting. Oh Snapple! posted:I think the best way to sum it up is essentially in coming to terms with and just accepting it. I've had a mentality for a few years now of "Nah, you're not bi, you're just a hosed up selfish piece of poo poo looking to hide behind a genuine identity." It's a big reason I've never been involved in any lgbtq threads here, and it's something I'm trying to get past. I hope the process goes well for you, and congratulations on figuring this out about yourself! I don't have any recs offhand, though, I mostly just roll around in a giant pile of yuri. I'll post here if I find any, though.
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at least with the terminology stuff, it is true that there are people that unfortunately fetishize that kind of indulgence (I'm not going to play armchair psychologist about any latent gender issues here) and remember that any manga that we get in English has gone through several pairs of hands. the original author might not have had those intentions but a translator might have or an editor or whatnot. and there's really no way to tell. I'm just happy to read transformative gender fantasies because they're comforting and helped get me through my transition. Even if the intention behind them isn't always the purest.
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I think the best and nerdiest way to get across how I feel is that it's always Miqo'te and Au Ra, and I never get my Roegadyns. Give me my Femroe. 
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i started playing that game last week its pretty good... im a Miqo'te tho so i guess we are enemies ...
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Oh no, Miqo'te and Au Ra are absolutely adorable. They're just not me.
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my main is a lala specifically because im so tall in real life lol Though I do like how the elezen are so close to me irl (minus ears) also in stormblood you'll find a tribe of au ra who believe in reincarnation and as such place no importance whatsoever on gender, even with the large amount of sexual dimorphism in the race. e: also catgirl crimes best crimes Watermelon Daiquiri fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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None of the races fit me as I am IRL so I just went with the Cool and Fit and Stylish ideal of Femroe. Also probably heavily influenced by my own insecurities.
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Endorph posted:you can be selfish and bi, as shown in uhhhh jealousy by scarlet beriko (note: not actually shown in that) Honestly, yeah, that makes sense and truthfully I figured it was a long shot request anyway. I appreciate the input. ToxicFrog posted:I hope the process goes well for you, and congratulations on figuring this out about yourself! Thanks, friend 
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Oh Snapple! posted:I think the best way to sum it up is essentially in coming to terms with and just accepting it. I've had a mentality for a few years now of "Nah, you're not bi, you're just a hosed up selfish piece of poo poo looking to hide behind a genuine identity." It's a big reason I've never been involved in any lgbtq threads here, and it's something I'm trying to get past. Yeah, been there; both with my queerness and my transness. The little voice telling you that you're just an idiot trying to steal someone else's struggle to give yourself identity is an rear end in a top hat. Don't listen to that voice.
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I Am Fowl posted:I love the latest Witch's Servant. Just pure gender euphoria for Rei, it's delightful. What does gender euphoria mean, anyways?
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Acerbatus posted:What does gender euphoria mean, anyways? It's when you feel actually happy about your gender presentation or the way people are interacting with you in a gendered way or your performance of gender & how it's perceived in general, as opposed to just kind of tolerating it or feeling dysphoria
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I changed my FF14 character's aesthetic from tomboy knight to long-haired girl in a pink yukata w/ blue nails and it made me feel exactly like Rei and the genderwap Hero gender euphoria is powerful enough to be felt virtually through your video game avatar
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I Am Fowl posted:Yeah, been there; both with my queerness and my transness. The little voice telling you that you're just an idiot trying to steal someone else's struggle to give yourself identity is an rear end in a top hat. Don't listen to that voice. Yeah, part of this is kind of me working through the process of gradually drowning that voice out. I've been very slowly talking about it privately with my online friends, which led to taking up some very small signifiers here and there but not really posting about it, and I think this is the first time I've really said anything publicly. And I pretty much had to slam that barebones post through because I was already trying to mentally talk myself out of making it lol. I appreciate the words. It's...I don't know. The rational part of me knows that absolutely none of this is unique to me; plenty of other people have gone through it and continue to go through it. But at the same time it's also very nice to see that stated and to know it's not unique to me. That's contradictory as hell I guess but I'm not sure how else to put it. But seriously, thanks Rody One Half posted:just post your ff14's 
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ToxicFrog posted:It's when you feel actually happy about your gender presentation or the way people are interacting with you in a gendered way or your performance of gender & how it's perceived in general, as opposed to just kind of tolerating it or feeling dysphoria I'm not sure I get it but it sounds like a good thing. 
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Rody One Half posted:just post your ff14's I'm still learning /gpose but I did find that there's a good actiony pose for WHM via Divine Benison.  Man, that lighting actually kinda sucks. Whatevs, it's my WHM!
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I don't play FF14 because I want stuff like iframes and perfect attacks in games, so I play pso2 instead, that's close enough. And it's my own personal dysphoria assuager, so that's relevant enough, right? My MCast and FCast:   Making cute guys in this game is extremely hard but I feel extremely satisfied when I manage to actually do it. Lets me get the happiness of doing and wearing things I could never get away with in reality by virtue of having poo poo like broad shoulders that will never be able to make any form-accentuating outfit look good.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I don't play FF14 because I want stuff like iframes and perfect attacks in games, so I play pso2 instead, that's close enough. And it's my own personal dysphoria assuager, so that's relevant enough, right? wtf thats a cute guy
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Rody One Half posted:just post your ff14's 
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id post mine but my sub ran out last night and i cant afford to upkeep it. Also my computer doesnt like taking screenshots for some reason pretend i posted the brilliant gremin energy of my lala
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  i should do a photoshoot with her short boyish hair sometimes. it makes her look like shes crossdressing when she wears dancer attire
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This is a departure from my other posts, but while I'm posting here I just wanted to extend condolences toward everythingWasBees and anyone else who got one of those horrid avatars some time back. I very genuinely don't know who bought them, but regardless of any personal differences, and regardless of whether they came from some little dipshit cspammer or if y'all got to be the victim of someone's poo poo-stirring, I'm really sorry y'all had to deal with that and genuinely wish you hadn't had to.
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