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my knees and busted jumper won’t allow for that regrettably runaway pancake posted:cap is slang for lying, bullshit just imagining goons reading black twitter like “hm well he must be serious he’s not using his shift key” EmotionlessThug posted:Relieved that Kuz said some good stuff on twitter so I dont have to change my NBA crush to a Celtic you can have crushes on all the boys imo
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Dexo posted:There is literally not a single city in the world that doesn't have a police brutality problem if they have a police. I'm a Brit. This is true and not true. Everywhere is bad. But there many degrees of bad and the poo poo I see going on in the US is some next level poo poo
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morestuff posted:The problem is the owners can opt out of the CBA and use a canceled season as leverage in building a new one How feasible would it be for the players to say gently caress the owners and start their own, player-owned league? They wouldn’t be able to use the big facilities, but they’d get all the internet eyeballs wherever they decided to play. It would be a pay cut to begin with, but eventually they’d have a big pot of cash and no billionaire assholes to take half off the top.
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Aug 27, 2020 13:25
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Quizzlefish posted:I'm a Brit. This is true and not true. Everywhere is bad. But there many degrees of bad and the poo poo I see going on in the US is some next level poo poo Also the whole 'get charged with some kind of misconduct, quietly transfer to a different location' or whatever that one is seems to be bigger in the US.
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Aug 27, 2020 13:29
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:How feasible would it be for the players to say gently caress the owners and start their own, player-owned league? They wouldn’t be able to use the big facilities, but they’d get all the internet eyeballs wherever they decided to play. It would be a pay cut to begin with, but eventually they’d have a big pot of cash and no billionaire assholes to take half off the top. I'd bet they would "mysteriously" discover that wherever they tried to play there would be some public safety law or other that prevented it being allowed, so sorry, the local government's hands are tied on this one, it is with much regret etc
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Aug 27, 2020 13:44
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:How feasible would it be for the players to say gently caress the owners and start their own, player-owned league? They wouldn’t be able to use the big facilities, but they’d get all the internet eyeballs wherever they decided to play. It would be a pay cut to begin with, but eventually they’d have a big pot of cash and no billionaire assholes to take half off the top. There's a model for this in lacrosse. Admittedly much much smaller sport, but it has been done recently. And to good effect. Basically lots of players were mad at the MLL so they went and founded the PLL where players get equity. It isn't exactly a player-owned co-op, but it's probably about as close as we've come. The MLL had to fold half their teams, and even adopted a single owner model over the franchise model. A lot of the top players went to the new league, and the PLL invested in social media and the internet. After being around for just two years the PLL are probably the more popular league, though it's pretty neck and neck honestly.
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:How feasible would it be for the players to say gently caress the owners and start their own, player-owned league? They wouldn’t be able to use the big facilities, but they’d get all the internet eyeballs wherever they decided to play. It would be a pay cut to begin with, but eventually they’d have a big pot of cash and no billionaire assholes to take half off the top. I posted about this in the offseason about three years ago. It is very feasible imho. The only thing they would need would be venues, but that could be arranged. The ATP and PGA Tours for example are player owned and player run organisations. There is no reason the NBA couldn't be.
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verbal enema posted:lol Don't go to bars until there is a vaccine my man.
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straight up brolic posted:Draymond sucks assssssssss What’s weird is he watched the bubble fail to do that. I get why players who want to play make that argument but he’s at home
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straight up brolic posted:Draymond sucks assssssssss I don't like Draymond but I also don't like the "NBA players have to strike" people. How are you going to tell someone else that they should put their livelihood on the line?
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:I don't like Draymond but I also don't like the "NBA players have to strike" people. How are you going to tell someone else that they should put their livelihood on the line? This is called being a scab big boi fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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He's right in the sense that playing sports is what gives them the power and ability to do things and say things and have them matter more than some fucko like me on a dying comedy forum. But he's missing that not playing would be leveraging their power into a statement in and of itself, one that carries dire consequences for the NBPA. Most americans, hell myself probably included are extremely hesitant, due to general indoctrination to perform labor actions. It's just something people have been made to feel about their own worth and power in this capitalist hellscape.
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love all the people who are like a half step away from discovering the power of collective labor asking "if i don't like my job can i boycott it too?"
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:I don't like Draymond but I also don't like the "NBA players have to strike" people. How are you going to tell someone else that they should put their livelihood on the line? OTOH Draymond’s message is 100% corporate bootlicker, anti-labor poo poo. He’s saying NBA players CANT strike because people in other industries...don’t? It’s just a ridiculous message.
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Draymond seems to be kinda missing the point but if the NBA players didn't go to the bubble they wouldn't have been able to do what they did last night. Kyrie was outspoken about not wanting to play to focus on social justice, but I have absolutely no idea what he's been doing while at home. The bubble meant the players could collectively do something, that's not something that would have been feasible if they all dispersed.
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big boi posted:Scab I'm not talking about the other players, I'm talking about the people sitting at home acting like they know best. I support whatever the players decide to do.
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big boi posted:Scab People have been using the term scab wrong for a while now and it's really a massive pet peeve of mine. He's not a scab unless he were to break with the union's strike, and go to work. It's fine for people inside of a union to have disagreements with each other about the best path forward. poo poo, lord knows I disagree with people in my union about a ton of poo poo. Draymond is not a scab for voicing his loving opinion. Just like I kinda think it's hosed that people are harassing those NuDeadspin writers with that poo poo. But that's a whole other topic.
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AggressivelyStupid posted:https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1298848183272042497 I think it makes sense for the players union to strike in favor of accomplishable demands.
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And honestly Draymond is right, whether it's what he intended to be or not, We as a nation shouldn't put the onus on just loving athletes to do this poo poo. We should be organizing for a General Strike.
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So each owner agreed to spend 1 million extra a year on branding whatever community out-reach tax poo poo they do as "economic empowerment."
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Dexo posted:People have been using the term scab wrong for a while now and it's really a massive pet peeve of mine. there isn't really another pithy insult for members of the working class collaborating with capital so scab is close enough
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Dexo posted:Draymond is not a scab for voicing his loving opinion. Just like I kinda think it's hosed that people are harassing those NuDeadspin writers with that poo poo. But that's a whole other topic. Vichy Deadspin hiring others (especially right after) was closer to the true meaning because of the nature of the resignations. Draymond isn’t a scab at this point, the Warriors are on the fishing boat. Waking up half the world away and seeing what was going on was a real trip. Seeing Kenny Smith and Chris Webber get as emotional as they did...this is a moment.
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BWV posted:So each owner agreed to spend 1 million extra a year on branding whatever community out-reach tax poo poo they do as "economic empowerment."
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inferis posted:there isn't really another pithy insult for members of the working class collaborating with capital so scab is close enough nah, bootlicker is right there
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Dexo posted:And honestly Draymond is right, whether it's what he intended to be or not, We as a nation shouldn't put the onus on just loving athletes to do this poo poo.
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straight up brolic posted:It's insane and disheartening that NBA/NFL players are the only people with the desire and political leverage in this country to actually effect change in a meaningful way They are the only young black men with any kind of voice, power and wealth in America.
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straight up brolic posted:Draymond sucks assssssssss Dray has a very large hat bill on credit, he can't just forfeit some money for morals. Of course one of the biggest assholes in the league will be scab-adjacent.
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straight up brolic posted:after hours of deliberation they agreed to let Andre Iguodala permanently wear "group economics" on the back of his jersey seriously. That Mannix tweet is insane. for many teams, the owners are some of the most powerful people in their state/region and literally have the governor/mayor on speed dial. The idea that 20+ billionaires are "unclear what more they can do" is ridiculous when James Dolan has spent more on JD and the St8Shots.
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BWV posted:seriously. That Mannix tweet is insane. for many teams, the owners are some of the most powerful people in their state/region and literally have the governor/mayor on speed dial. The idea that 20+ billionaires are "unclear what more they can do" is ridiculous when James Dolan has spent more on JD and the St8Shots. Are you trying to say 300 million smackers won't immediately end racism in the USA or
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Cool Buff Man posted:Are you trying to say 300 million smackers won't immediately end racism in the USA or
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straight up brolic posted:the only thing that can stop racism is laundering PR money through the non-profits of close associates in exchange for a huge tax write off and people here say Canada isn't doing a good job combatting racism. (before you all need me to explain the joke, Canada's current government is rife with scandals of allocating money to help young people to non-profits close to the PM. It isn't specifically about racism here, but it's pretty well known that these non-profits are all in bed with the government, : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WE_Charity_controversy) BWV fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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BWV posted:So each owner agreed to spend 1 million extra a year on branding whatever community out-reach tax poo poo they do as "economic empowerment." Cool Buff Man posted:Are you trying to say 300 million smackers won't immediately end racism in the USA or Stolen from a poster on a discord I'm on. If the Players/Owners want to make a real difference create a gently caress off huge nationwide bail fund. Pay the fines for every single person who can't vote because of said fines in Florida. Pay the cash bail of every(obviously with some exceptions for heinious poo poo) person who is forced to sit in jail to await trial. Even outside of the owners specifically using their closeness to the levers of power to try and get laws changed. Any group of billionaires have the power to essentially completely kill our trash cash bail system, if so desired. They aren't going to be able to stop racism, but they sure as hell can attack the systems that are used to enforce it.
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Dexo posted:Stolen from a poster on a discord I'm on. Yeah those are very good ideas I refuse to remotely acknowledge the idea that owners want to make a real difference until I see it though, this hands in the air "what do we do now" stuff is pathetic
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straight up brolic posted:I don’t think the NBA players “have” to strike, but them doing so is absolutely a powerful message and the duality between working and striking is what has given them leverage for change in this scenario. The NBA owners are now invested in the remainder of the bubble being a success so they’ll have to make concessions. The teams legitimately threatening to leave are applying further pressure. I think he's trying to say "why aren't you putting pressure on other industries?", but it's really hard to tell because he's all over the place. I want to see the owners do more, but I also understand that it's a complicated situation with the NBA players' jobs on the line. Also I don't think we should discount how the NBA has normalized players pushing for political and social change into sports as a whole. I know that doesn't mean a strike isn't necessary now, but I feel like the players have been able to accomplish a lot through their platform.
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Dexo posted:And honestly Draymond is right, whether it's what he intended to be or not, We as a nation shouldn't put the onus on just loving athletes to do this poo poo. I mean in that sense he’s right but people seem to think the bubble itself gives them a platform when the only time they have ever had a meaningful platform is when they threaten to pop the bubble. If people seriously argue the bubble itself is a platform it will weirdly enough become irrelevant
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