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gently caress's sake I forgot how miserable the puns were in DD. Her tusks are supposed to be something hugely negative that she's suffered from her whole life and her reaction to someone drawing attention to it over and over again is just to go :[ rather than actually seem to care. e: the other puns are also loving terrible but solely in the "this in no way approaches humor" way Elysiume fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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"At least I'm not a misogynist like one of these bad men!" said the Lawful Good Mookie. "Now let me write another decade of material in which the women exist only to service and elevate men." "... and when one character comes dangerously close to making me reflect on this by lampshading it to Luna it will be she, not Luna, who will be in the wrong." PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Greg version 1 is bad doesn't really bother me as much just because he's kinda supposed to be a dumb kid relative to the others and isn't really worse than any other other recurring characters. Greg version 2 is pretty awful though, and Greg version 3 is the worst character Mookie has made. Also if people keep referring to that loving Cline Nerd Porn Auteur essay I am going to post it in its entirety.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 12:58 |
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Elysiume posted:gently caress's sake I forgot how miserable the puns were in DD. Her tusks are supposed to be something hugely negative that she's suffered from her whole life and her reaction to someone drawing attention to it over and over again is just to go :[ rather than actually seem to care. :], surely.
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YF-23 posted::], surely. ¦^›[
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 16:16 |
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Elysiume posted:gently caress's sake I forgot how miserable the puns were in DD. Her tusks are supposed to be something hugely negative that she's suffered from her whole life and her reaction to someone drawing attention to it over and over again is just to go :[ rather than actually seem to care. :',[ Zerilan posted:Greg version 1 is bad doesn't really bother me as much just because he's kinda supposed to be a dumb kid relative to the others and isn't really worse than any other other recurring characters. Greg version 2 is pretty awful though, and Greg version 3 is the worst character Mookie has made.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 16:54 |
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Dryad paving the way for a conga line of brutalized, bloodied women to follow in her steps.
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Invisible Clergy posted:
I was thinking of Snowsong, yes. And now I just remembered that the last arc where he was a central focus was also a major... drama bomb.
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Cat Mattress posted:¦^›[ :Σ Zerilan posted:Greg version 1 is bad doesn't really bother me as much just because he's kinda supposed to be a dumb kid relative to the others and isn't really worse than any other other recurring characters. Greg version 2 is pretty awful though, and Greg version 3 is the worst character Mookie has made. Greg v1.0 is like, 35% Mookie Greg v2.0 is like, 60% Mookie Greg v3.0 is like 98.5% raw, unfiltered Mookie
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 17:23 |
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And Greg Level 4 is to go even further beyond.
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Regalingualius posted:I was thinking of Snowsong, yes. Besides lots of sexualization of the titular Snowsong and of Rachelwhen she's in various states of peril and defeat, isn't Snowsong the one where we get the reveal that Rachel raped Mookie Prime and it's played for laughs and it's an 'oh ,you!' moment for Rachel not a 'Rachel is a horrible person and none of us should ever associate with her ever again.'
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 19:12 |
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Zerilan posted:Also if people keep referring to that loving Cline Nerd Porn Auteur essay I am going to post it in its entirety. Do it! We're in the long haul for nerd-literary pain and disgust in this thread.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 19:32 |
Ernest Cline posted:Nerd Porn Auteur
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How was that worse than I remembered, when I already remembered it as an atrocity? I wasn't ready. And I had definitely forgotten it was supposed to be in verse.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 19:47 |
I'm definitely not linking any of the video/audio of him reading this live to applause and cheers though.
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Heh, I'm a real good guy who REALLY cares about women. Also if you don't fit into my narrow view of nerdy women you aren't a real woman and you're ugly and unnattractive. Women with big breasts? Disgusting. I'm glad I'm an educated, sophisticated male who casually dismisses a whole bunch of women as not being entitled to womanhood because they aren't what I'm sexually interested in. Ignore what all those lovely alpha-men say about what women need to be! I'm not like that! Because I'm saying women should have obscure nerd trivia memorized and then they're worth my dick, which is a very valuable thing for them to all desire, of course, because this dick respects women (so long as they exist in the specific forms that satisfy it correctly). Holy gently caress Ernest Cline is worse than I had even imagined. How can you be that self-unaware?? ... is Dominic Deegan going to get like this too, I'm scared.
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FlocksOfMice posted:... is Dominic Deegan going to get like this too, I'm scared. Beyond that we get more "lower back problems" jokes, and that Mookie loves sexualizing dead women, there's definitely a part where Greg version 3 goes to basically a red light district and comes back talking about how women being openly sexual women do nothing for him while fetishizing the more modestly dressed nurse/mayor.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 20:57 |
Okay, how many bodies did he have buried in his basement?
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 21:17 |
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FlocksOfMice posted:Heh, I'm a real good guy who REALLY cares about women. Obviously, yes.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 21:47 |
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I remember being like this once. Never again.
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FlocksOfMice posted:... is Dominic Deegan going to get like this too, I'm scared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs
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FlocksOfMice posted:... is Dominic Deegan going to get like this too, I'm scared.
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Hostile V posted:It's a lot like playing Quarters but nobody is drinking. Must not be a very successful strip club.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 22:08 |
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Zerilan posted:No. NO. Why would you do this to this thread, you monster. Joe Slowboat speaks for me here: Joe Slowboat posted:How was that worse than I remembered, when I already remembered it as an atrocity? I wasn't ready. And I had definitely forgotten it was supposed to be in verse.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 22:30 |
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Christ, I'm all for body positivity and porn that's respectful to women, but... Yikes.
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 22:47 |
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edit: nvm, I just read that porn thing in full, so I don't think my joke makes sense.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Christ, I'm all for body positivity and porn that's respectful to women, but... Yikes. It's reactionary nonsense that comes from the same place as Mookie's hang-ups. Like, I'm not ashamed to admit - because I like to think I've matured as a person and grown since then - that when I was in High School that for at least my first two years I had a sort of outward view. Like I was into big ol' honkers back then but I still as part of my nerd identity kind of acted like I was above sex and such things. Big boobed women are just dumb bimbos for jocks. It's the popular kids who are into sex and sexuality and big breasted babes. I'm a nerd and I'm above such juvenile passions! I suspect I am hardly unique in having had that embarassing and idiotic phase. The thing is, most of us grow out of it. Mookie and Cline never did. They're still fighting the same battles against imaginary enemies - and themselves - that they fought in High School.
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Bit late but would anyone like a spoken word version of that poem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF67Mm0l4Pw
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# ? Aug 29, 2020 23:45 |
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 03:34 |
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I wanna copy her trig homework lol
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The Little Death's review of Chapter 4: Into the Woods [Part 2] After where we left off last time: It does not take our antagonists long to find our hero. One strip in fact. Greg begins channeling Mookie and becomes incredibly smug. The next part of the story does move along at a fair clip, but it starts showing the hallmarks of not planning ahead in that things happen only to be reversed in the next strip Reading these strips, I'm reminded of a blog post that accompanied a Digger strip, that i'm having trouble finding in the archive. It's after the revelation of a demon, a really powerful and scary strip given all the buildup to it, and the author, Ursula Vernon, talks about how the webcomic medium allows for this pacing of stories where you almost have a tv show like effect. You leave a cliffhanger on a weekend and it builds anticipation in a way turning a page can't, in the printed volumes. And she talks about how people reading digger later won't have the same experience because of it. Mookie's writing is so dependent on the cliffhanger effect that when it goes away, it almost becomes irritating. Events and counter-events happen in such quick succession that you feel like the comic is wasting you time. I don't think people following along with it at the time would have felt it, but I can't imagine reading this as a print work, apart from mockingly. Anyway the gang runs away, but don't worry Dominic has an (extremly convoluted) plan! The plan appears to be to sacrifice Greg! How could the saintly dominic do such a thing? Oh ho, it was a set up to a graphic murder! I know the Infernomance (or TIM has people called him during the comic's run) is the bad guy, and he hurt the dryad by cutting her tree down, but I do find it funny that the 2 graphic on screen deaths that have occured in the comic so far have both been at the hands of characters on Dominic's side. Turns out neither Stunt nor Bumper rolled high enough however. I will say that I do find this to be a high point in the comic. The Infernomancer, thoug he would get dumber with each new appearance, isn't the worst villain at this point, despite him looking like a naruto reject. I like this, where he just gets up from having his throat slit laughing, with blood coming out of his mouth. Very menacing and cool. Brok misses killing Stunt and they literally run out the side of the strip, not to be seen again this adventure, or in Brok's case, ever. I remember Mookie making a blog post about how he didn't like musclebound dudes like brok in his setting. He prefers his absurd violence in the form of DBZ spirit bombs. TIM then provides us with some backstory villain speech, classic. Again, not mad at this. A little cliche but I'm a sucker for the villain saying, "yeah, you're right, I brought this on myself and I am hurting others just to avoid owning my mistakes. But I don't care". The "You're probably right" as he skewers Greg is good villain dialogue. HERE COMES DEEGANPLAN So we see here that first misdirection and manipulation was Dominic switching places with Gregory. Self-Sacrifice? But why bother hiding as gregory, why not fake being handicapped yourself. It's not like the Infernomancer knows any of them at this point. Also again, Dominic is learned, so he knows what TIM is. Again, why or how was this a trick on the Infernomancer? He doesn't know who any of you are. Oh no, Dominic's plan was a failure and he is dead! Dead I say! But maybe all is not lost! Gregory avenges him, and I guess Luna's contribution to the plan is to heal him just so he suffers more. I mean, Dominic set this up so he must have known fire would heal an infernomancer. Nice protagonists you got there Mookie. I don't know why in particular devil wizards should get healed by fire magic, but I guess teiflings are resistant to fire and it is hell so whatever. Nope he's fine, it was all part of his master plan, where he knew Gregory would super-saiyan white mage out, and that would bring him back from what would clearly have been death otherwise. Again, this doesn't actually explain why the trick was necessary. He could just have said he twisted his ankle. Mookie, lacking a theory of mind, didn't think that the Infernomancer would not know any of these people. Also, this is the first big case where Dominic will engender extreme emotional reactions in people to get his desired outcome. Here, I guess we accept that without genuine anger Greg couldn't have musters that much white mana, but really it seems sort of convenient that these much more powerful characters need Dominic as puppet master to be effective. If they were just in control of their own abilities he wouldn't be necessary at all. Also, given how Luna reacted, it's hard to tell whether or not she knew fire magic would heal TIM. Dominic didnt' tell her about the healing surge he would get, so maybe he didn't tell her that fire magic wouldn't work? And she just did it, realized her mistake, but covered for it when she saw Greg was going to save the day? Anyway, TIM is gone for now, Brok is gone for good, and the Sylvan Oracle heals the dryad We end the chapter on a few tree related puns, and an unneeded explanation on how dominic cleverly figured out which tree the dryad needed to be under to heal. Turns out it's all of them! Again, the setup and payoff for this must have seemed really clever to Mookie, but to me reading it, I had to go back to see what the gently caress Greg was even talking about. it's the line where Dirk says "wait near the first tree you see". Barely registers when you read it, but Mookie obviously thinks it really demonstrates Dominic's cleverness. At this point Stunt and Bumper are well within their rights to murder Dominic the next time they see him, given his callous disregard for their lives. All together, I know people complain about it being different from the stage show, but it has Meryl Streep and Chris Pine in it. I just can't be that mad at it. Oh Chris Pine, you're still my favority Chris even if JJ Abrams did murder your career . Just as long as you keep the beard. No Chris without facial hair. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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The Little Death posted:The next part of the story does move along at a fair clip, but it starts showing the hallmarks of not planning ahead in that things happen only to be reversed in the next strip
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The Little Death posted:Mookie's writing is so dependent on the cliffhanger effect that when it goes away, it almost becomes irritating. Events and counter-events happen in such quick succession that you feel like the comic is wasting you time. I don't think people following along with it at the time would have felt it, but I can't imagine reading this as a print work, apart from mockingly. Trust me, even with the wait we did. Only difference is we were betting on which obvious anti-climax would happen.
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The Little Death posted:Reading these strips, I'm reminded of a blog post that accompanied a Digger strip, that i'm having trouble finding in the archive. It's after the revelation of a demon, a really powerful and scary strip given all the buildup to it, and the author, Ursula Vernon, talks about how the webcomic medium allows for this pacing of stories where you almost have a tv show like effect. You leave a cliffhanger on a weekend and it builds anticipation in a way turning a page can't, in the printed volumes. And she talks about how people reading digger later won't have the same experience because of it. quote:The plan appears to be to sacrifice Greg! How could the saintly dominic do such a thing? quote:I will say that I do find this to be a high point in the comic. The Infernomancer, thoug he would get dumber with each new appearance, isn't the worst villain at this point, despite him looking like a naruto reject. I like this, where he just gets up from having his throat slit laughing, with blood coming out of his mouth. Very menacing and cool. quote:Gregory avenges him, and I guess Luna's contribution to the plan is to heal him just so he suffers more. I mean, Dominic set this up so he must have known fire would heal an infernomancer. Nice protagonists you got there Mookie. I don't know why in particular devil wizards should get healed by fire magic, but I guess teiflings are resistant to fire and it is hell so whatever. He becomes less threatening every time he appears even if his appearances are marked by progressively more gruesome and numerous kills of nameless npcs.
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Wait. Why did Tim need the dryad's blood when he could just light himself on fire? Or get somebody to cast fireball at him, whatever.\ EDIT: Invisible Clergy posted:If Tim is healed by fire, and he knows this, why would he bother with this dryad quest? It would be easier to get a mage to shoot a fireball at him which we see grows his eyes back. also as I recall every time he reappeared, we cared even less about the inhabitants of the world. Zereth fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Wait so if fire heals him, why didn't he just set himself on fire to get his eyes back?
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 05:55 |
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It’s amazing that even in these early strips there’s never a single threat to our heroes. Stunt & Bumper sure, but the clan Deegan is always 100% in control of the situation. The guy’s consistent if nothing else.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 06:04 |
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Why even plot it out that he's healed by fire if his being healed by fire is just going to get immediately undone anyway? What narrative point does that serve at all, other than to pad things out? At least the fake-out with Dominic is there to say "Dominic is very clever and a puppetmaster" the healing him with fire does literally nothing other than, I guess, answer why Luna can't solve the problem, because of course she can't be allowed to defeat him, right? But Dominic's brother just could have acted first, anyway. There was--there was no POINT to that, and it's hurting my head.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 06:05 |
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If I remember, Mookie later said that the fire healing is only temporary. I don't know if it comes up in the strip or was just something he said when people pointed out "Doesn't this guy heal by getting set on fire?"
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If I had to guess it was just to set up a “clever” way to defeat the infernomancer. Since we just got introduced to the guy we don’t know anything about what he is or how he works, so Mookie has to very quickly show the fire healing thing to subvert it immediately with the white magic. It plays out like a game mechanic you would learn in a turn based RPG, probably because it is.
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