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God drat do I hate the loving “...illusion” bit. It wasn’t that interesting the first time!
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Even if Luna didn’t know about the “fire HEALS him” thing, wouldn’t it still have been a pretty big hint that using fire magic against a guy who’s called an infernomancer would probably end poorly? Like, at bare minimum, you’d probably expect him to be pretty resistant to it, or able to outright control and redirect any fire cast at him. And agreed that TIM basically looks like a first draft for a generic anime starting villain.
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Aug 30, 2020 06:40
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HellOnEarth posted:God drat do I hate the loving “...illusion” bit. It wasn’t that interesting the first time! Yeah Mookie loves having her say that. It's not like she's even doing anything different from all the magic users though. If your illusions are perfect magical projections, then there's nothing clever about using them. Regalingualius posted:Even if Luna didn’t know about the “fire HEALS him” thing, wouldn’t it still have been a pretty big hint that using fire magic against a guy who’s called an infernomancer would probably end poorly? Like, at bare minimum, you’d probably expect him to be pretty resistant to it, or able to outright control and redirect any fire cast at him. The thing is, Mookie made the connection to devils, not fire, first. Inferno comes to us from Latin, and it originally means "the world below, the lower realm". The association with fire, though present in other myths, comes from Biblical and Talmudic imagery, in particular Gehenna and the Lake of Fire in Revelations. But Hell in Dante's Inferno, or Paradise Lost, or even in DnD, is not necessarily the lake of fire. So initially, I though Mookie was being a little clever, making a kind of warlock where you make a very physical sacrifice for you mancy, which is to say divination, to being of the world below, the infernus, and he was sticking to the Latin origins of those words. I actually don't hate the concept, and when later you learn that all the demons in hell have a schtick that reflects in their one chosen infernomancer, and that this infernomance pledged himself to the demon of wounds, it sorta works. Or at least, I think in the hands of a better writer it could work well as as story. But having fire heal him makes me think Mookie started with the idea of a pyromancer, and just decided to be more EXTREME with it, and the devil wizard thing only came because of Dante's inferno. I'd forgotten that fire healed him, and it made me retroactively feel like something I though was clever on Mookie's part was actually not.
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Aug 30, 2020 06:51
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Regalingualius posted:Even if Luna didn’t know about the “fire HEALS him” thing, wouldn’t it still have been a pretty big hint that using fire magic against a guy who’s called an infernomancer would probably end poorly? Like, at bare minimum, you’d probably expect him to be pretty resistant to it, or able to outright control and redirect any fire cast at him. TheHan posted:If I had to guess it was just to set up a “clever” way to defeat the infernomancer. Since we just got introduced to the guy we don’t know anything about what he is or how he works, so Mookie has to very quickly show the fire healing thing to subvert it immediately with the white magic. It plays out like a game mechanic you would learn in a turn based RPG, probably because it is. Heliotrope posted:If I remember, Mookie later said that the fire healing is only temporary. I don't know if it comes up in the strip or was just something he said when people pointed out "Doesn't this guy heal by getting set on fire?" FlocksOfMice posted:Why even plot it out that he's healed by fire if his being healed by fire is just going to get immediately undone anyway? What narrative point does that serve at all, other than to pad things out? At least the fake-out with Dominic is there to say "Dominic is very clever and a puppetmaster" the healing him with fire does literally nothing other than, I guess, answer why Luna can't solve the problem, because of course she can't be allowed to defeat him, right? While we're talking about this, this is another thing contradicting information we know from earlier. Why wouldn't Luna just use an illusion of a fireball like she did with the racist hicks? Then Tim could think he was going to get healed and be distracted while Greg got into position to kill him with his ki blast. It would let Luna assist and actually kind of do something. Zereth posted:Wait.
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Aug 30, 2020 06:59
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Invisible Clergy posted:Tim does not, at this point in time, have the ability to cast fireball 1.
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Aug 30, 2020 07:16
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Zereth posted:I mean, he didn't say magical fire, he could build a campfire and stick his head in it. Or get some anachronistic lighter fluid and pour it on himself and strike a match. Both of these things are also true, yes. Since Callan has electric guitars, I'm sure lighter fluid exists.
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Aug 30, 2020 07:50
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i absolutely adore bad art. it's so fascinating
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Aug 30, 2020 08:03
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I couldn't agree more. Consuming something like this that fails at so many fundamentals really gets you thinking about a lot of components of storytelling in a way that consuming something that is made by someone basically competent really doesn't.
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Aug 30, 2020 08:10
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If nothing else, DD has given me tons of insight into what kind of stories I shouldn’t poke with a forty foot pole in my own attempts at writing. 
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Aug 30, 2020 09:01
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Also, being able to cure his eyes at all seems inconsistent with having a pact with the "Demon of Wounds" as we learn later, but Mookie doesn't seem to care a lot about keeping things straight.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:11
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Invisible Clergy posted:Tim is blind. Why did this plan work? Even if we set aside Dominic's omniscience for a moment, where he'd instinctively know Tim is blind for Reasons, he can see he's got a cloth over his eyes. Mookie has never been blinded, and therefore does not understand that being blind means not being able to see. This is a recurring theme, he has at least one other blind villain who just sees normally anyway. No, it can't be daredevil-style super hearing that works like a sonar, he reads books while being blind.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:26
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Yeah, yeah he does. He has an after the fact explanation for that too, but it's probably a spoiler and is definitely better seen firsthand due to how dumb it is.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:39
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TIM also reads some paper at some point despite being blind/blindfolded.
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Aug 30, 2020 10:04
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Mookie just really liked Illidan from Warcraft, and taking that aesthetic is all the effort he'll put into writing about blindness.
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Aug 30, 2020 10:53
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Marin Karin posted:Mookie just really liked Illidan from Warcraft, and taking that aesthetic is all the effort he'll put into writing about blindness. This is from late 2002 or so right? You're probably right on the money.
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Aug 30, 2020 11:46
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IIRC Warcraft's demon hunters 'see' by tracking fel energy which makes marginally more sense than 'just because', like sort of an echolocation thing. Although the playable ones see just fine.
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Zereth posted:I mean, he didn't say magical fire, he could build a campfire and stick his head in it. Or get some anachronistic lighter fluid and pour it on himself and strike a match. There seems to be this weird pattern in his stories where Mookie can't figure out how to get his villains to clash with the heroes. If the villains aren't committing senseless evil, then it's some convoluted Scooby-Doo scheme. Croona, Infernomancer, Dr.Hymn, all the antagonists have "gently caress with heroes" as their reason for being but sometimes it's backfilled with these goofy explanations.
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Pyrotoad posted:IIRC Warcraft's demon hunters 'see' by tracking fel energy which makes marginally more sense than 'just because', like sort of an echolocation thing. Although the playable ones see just fine. This actually gets explained in the novel about him: when Demon Hunters consume the flesh and soul of a demon and then ritualistically gouge out their own eyes, the demon soul grants them access to a whole spectrum of vision, and they eventually learn how to see roughly as normally as they could before.
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TheHan posted:There seems to be this weird pattern in his stories where Mookie can't figure out how to get his villains to clash with the heroes. If the villains aren't committing senseless evil, then it's some convoluted Scooby-Doo scheme. Croona, Infernomancer, Dr.Hymn, all the antagonists have "gently caress with heroes" as their reason for being but sometimes it's backfilled with these goofy explanations. This is true. Once more, it's attributable to Mookie never attaining theory of mind. Whenever Poochie is not onscreen, the bad guys are all looking around asking each other "where's Poochie?"
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Aug 30, 2020 17:35
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For some reason I can't help but feel like this is my fault
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Aug 30, 2020 17:48
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loving Mookie.
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You forgot to cover the dong. Not that I blame you for not noticing it.
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YF-23 posted:You forgot to cover the dong. Not that I blame you for not noticing it. gently caress. Ok, fixed.
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Aug 30, 2020 18:38
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The Legacy of Dongadick Dongan: literally dongs in a dong void
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Aug 30, 2020 19:04
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I wonder when the state transition from bad horror to bad porn will happen in the Legacy.
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Aug 30, 2020 19:23
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I kinda get the feeling he's getting that out of his system on Twitter so maybe it won't happen in the comic. ... I hope, anyway. That said he's taking part in Inktober so get ready for horny Mookie doing a drawing a day pretty soon!
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Mors Rattus posted:I wonder when the state transition from bad horror to bad porn will happen in the Legacy. Implying he won't do both at the same time.
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Speaking of which Note the time. 3 pm on a Sunday is when Mookie uploads his entire week of work. I just refreshed again and suddenly it was there. i was trying to determine exactly how little time he spends on these.    Yes Thank you mookie for spelling it out for us. Otherwise I would be so confused as to how Snout can survive this thread. Truly your writing is so subtle and original that we, your audience, need you to call things out for us.
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Aug 30, 2020 20:10
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So I guess in this magical fantasy place, the middle finger means the same thing as it does in the United States.
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Aug 30, 2020 20:18
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Christ even by Mookie's standards this is exceptionally boring and baffling
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Aug 30, 2020 20:19
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And so he takes a shot that was actually cleverly done, with Snout lowering the book to reveal the Deaf tag, to kind of show naturally that he's immune... and now he does a flashback to it again, and has him point it out, just in case you aren't as clever as he is to pick up on it! You could have demonstrated the crazy vine guy doing something, mouth open, clearly verbalizing, maybe even have the unconscious people respond to it in some way, make it clear, visually, that he was doing something with sound, and then have Snout shove him down and keep the deaf tag prominent but not, in your textless comic about a deaf character, have an entire panel dedicated to a word balloon and then three panels going "but hahah i'm immune" like he was SO close and couldn't help but spoil it and that's so deliciously tantalizing he freakin' looks at his own "deaf" label as if to remind himself that he's deaf, like, he has SUCH a problem with theory of the mind even the characters need to consciously go out of their way to remind themselves of something that's a default fact of their life
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I'm loving how he drew Snout and this other guy in the exact same position for one and a half pages so he didn't have to work out the anatomy and perspective again each time. He really continues to be exceptionally lazy in his art and it's super clear he's knocking these out as fast as possible. Also, I can't prove it, but I really get the feeling the big panel on page #2 is traced, as is the bottom panel from this page: https://www.dominic-deegan.com/comic/july-6-2020/ It just looks so totally different from his normal art, the perspective and faces in particular. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 20:30
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 I know line of sight edits are the lowest of the hanging fruit but come on.
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Looking forward to see what could've possibly compelled Snout to haul both these corpses up with him, when one looks completely dead and the other was never alive. It took a whole 14 pages for the necromancer this chapter's named for to show up so we may not even learn what psychic impulses compelled Snout to do this until 2021.
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We might have another blind character. No dialog 
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Ague Proof posted:We might have another blind character. TheHan posted:Looking forward to see what could've possibly compelled Snout to haul both these corpses up with him, when one looks completely dead and the other was never alive. It took a whole 14 pages for the necromancer this chapter's named for to show up so we may not even learn what psychic impulses compelled Snout to do this until 2021. Pyrotoad posted:
Rotten Red Rod posted:I'm loving how he drew Snout and this other guy in the exact same position for one and a half pages so he didn't have to work out the anatomy and perspective again each time. He really continues to be exceptionally lazy in his art and it's super clear he's knocking these out as fast as possible. FlocksOfMice posted:And so he takes a shot that was actually cleverly done, with Snout lowering the book to reveal the Deaf tag, to kind of show naturally that he's immune... and now he does a flashback to it again, and has him point it out, just in case you aren't as clever as he is to pick up on it! Rotten Red Rod posted:Christ even by Mookie's standards this is exceptionally boring and baffling
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You know, there could have been a fun little The Yattering and Jack type story here where the evil vine things are trying to corrupt and tempt a completely oblivious Snout and get more and more frustrated as he just goes about his... whatever he's doing. Of course, that'd require a good sense of dark comedy and timing, and I've not really seen any evidence of either.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Maybe he was hungry. I wish! Anything to give this man-void even a sliver of personality. He doesn't want for anything, he isn't searching for something he needs, he isn't growing from his experiences or affecting the world around him through his actions. He's just an object moving through space.
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Well his one character trait is that he is a Good Guy, which is what this arc seems to be emphasizing.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Well his one character trait is that he is a Good Guy, which is what this arc seems to be emphasizing. The Good Guy abandoned his friends to go wandering around instead of showing any concern about them at all, since last he saw they were both frightened of the other two who beat his rear end.
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