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Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

PoptartsNinja posted:

It's not like living creatures really need skin, it's just the wrapping paper for the other organs. :v:

It's where all the vitamins are.

It's because this takes place on oerth. Creatures can't be smaller than a fly, so germ theory doesn't exist. Worst that happens is you get some dirt on your muscles. You can just rinse it off with a water bottle.

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DamnitGannet
Apr 8, 2007

I really appreciate the effort of going through the old DD strips with commentary. Its been so long since i've read them and theyre sooooo much better (more mockable and interesting) than this adventures of dumbass poo poo he's cranking out now. also for a fun time, go back to the first legacy comic and compare snout's character model to the most recent one.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

TBH I'm super not surprised if he's already bored of this and wants to go draw porn because LDD has entirely been about this no words gimmick and he got bored of that 11 months ago because he's cut off from using all of his favorite writing tools like awful puns and a stupid statement followed by the final panel being someone reacting.

Riot Bus
Jan 8, 2020
I honestly just hate this story diversion so much, it's so pointless and weird, and from the pace it's going it seems like it's going to be over shortly anyway. One of those bodies better be alive so he can at least get a traveling companion out of this because otherwise it'll just have been completely random nonsense.

Also, the fact that when vine man appears Snout continues to stand right next to him is so bizarre-looking. Like if you saw a guy looking like that you'd think you'd at least take a step back. Maybe for fear that his scary vines would touch you or something? IDK man he just saw some messed up stuff but he never really reacts to it.

But he's immediately confident enough that he's just going to rub a middle finger in this guys face.

This is petty also but: is Snout like strong as hell or what? dragging two limp bodies up a mostly vertical hole seems like it'd be extremely difficult. Why would you bring them both up at once, and then leave the one with no skin wound-down on the floor?

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Lol according to Mookie's tweets this ain't gonna be short

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


Yeah I don't know why people seem to think that this is like an interlude before he gets back to the main story. this is the main story now and he will go back to the inkwitch whenever he gets bored of this and doesn't have something new to jump to.

Also no one acknowledged my Into the Woods joke and it was gold. Pure gold. You philistines.

Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Aug 31, 2020

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?
He's venting his horniness with his satyr stuff, so ink witch has been replaced. We won't see her for a long time.

Riot Bus
Jan 8, 2020

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Lol according to Mookie's tweets this ain't gonna be short

God drat it!

I guess I just saw that he'd already gotten the bodies effortlessly out of the hole/was naturally immune to the source of conflict and figured that it couldn't keep this up for much longer.

The pace was already trying me but now that it's decided to just be about something else completely it's become unbearable.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

TBF this is all he's said:



But nothing he's said indicates it won't be the same length as any of the other chapters (for reference, everything before Mongreltown was one chapter, and the Mongreltown arc was the second).

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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2014-2018

Yeah this isn’t a diversion, this is what the comic is about now. All that poo poo with the pages? Gone.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

The Little Death posted:

Yeah I don't know why people seem to think that this is like an interlude before he gets back to the main story. this is the main story now and he will go back to the inkwitch whenever he gets bored of this and doesn't have something new to jump to.

Also no one acknowledged my Into the Woods joke and it was gold. Pure gold. You philistines.

See, I don’t even think Mookie’s interested in this necromancer story. With the Sunday page dumps, the low panel count and how at least one page a week is majority text I think Mookie got back from his vacation and realized “oh god, I don’t wanna do this anymore” so now he’s just spinning a yarn about the cabin he was just at. Next chapter will be about an arcane cubano Snout has for lunch.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Yeah there's a real lack of interest in actually developing a story. The 3rd page this week is pretty much just "Snout and the Necromancer stand there for a while"

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

TheHan posted:

See, I don’t even think Mookie’s interested in this necromancer story. With the Sunday page dumps, the low panel count and how at least one page a week is majority text I think Mookie got back from his vacation and realized “oh god, I don’t wanna do this anymore” so now he’s just spinning a yarn about the cabin he was just at. Next chapter will be about an arcane cubano Snout has for lunch.
No one is... making him do this. He could just stop.

Mors Rattus posted:

Yeah this isn’t a diversion, this is what the comic is about now. All that poo poo with the pages? Gone.
"What happened to Dominic Deegan 200 years ago?"
lol who cares

Rotten Red Rod posted:

TBF this is all he's said:



But nothing he's said indicates it won't be the same length as any of the other chapters (for reference, everything before Mongreltown was one chapter, and the Mongreltown arc was the second).
Assuming Snout doesn't just punch red vines and defeat him, how will the story go on unless red vines is also an ink witch? Will he just spell stuff with his vines to talk to Snout?

Riot Bus posted:

I honestly just hate this story diversion so much, it's so pointless and weird, and from the pace it's going it seems like it's going to be over shortly anyway. One of those bodies better be alive so he can at least get a traveling companion out of this because otherwise it'll just have been completely random nonsense.

Also, the fact that when vine man appears Snout continues to stand right next to him is so bizarre-looking. Like if you saw a guy looking like that you'd think you'd at least take a step back. Maybe for fear that his scary vines would touch you or something? IDK man he just saw some messed up stuff but he never really reacts to it.

But he's immediately confident enough that he's just going to rub a middle finger in this guys face.

This is petty also but: is Snout like strong as hell or what? dragging two limp bodies up a mostly vertical hole seems like it'd be extremely difficult. Why would you bring them both up at once, and then leave the one with no skin wound-down on the floor?
If Snout moved, Mookie would have to recompose the panel, which is too much like :effort: for him.

We've seen no particular evidence for Snout being exceptionally strong. Dragging two corpses up like that would indeed be really difficult. Since he didn't know of any time pressure, there's no reason he wouldn't do them one at a time. Once more, the answer is that Mookie is lazy and drawing Snout hauling 2 corpses at once means he has to draw fewer panels.

I really could've gone without knowing what Mookie gets up to in the bedroom but he just isn't giving us a choice, is he.

I bet after 3 or 4 more weeks, Snout kills red vines and at his core is a page and then the comic is a geek of the week monster hunter for a while until Mookie gets bored with it and picks a different way to shoehorn nudity into the comic.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Invisible Clergy posted:

No one is... making him do this. He could just stop.

According to that pretty rude blog post Garth wrote about Star Power ending, Mookie only even started the legacy to make some extra money. Which y’now, that’d be fine. Not every comic has to be born out of deep passion, a guy’s gotta eat after all. The Legacy just feels so much like he doesn’t want to be here that it’d be better if he just did porn. He could make money off of it (even tho I don’t understand who the market is for broken noodle people doing flat, poorly conveyed banging) and it’s something he actually enjoys.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

TheHan posted:

According to that pretty rude blog post Garth wrote about Star Power ending, Mookie only even started the legacy to make some extra money. Which y’now, that’d be fine. Not every comic has to be born out of deep passion, a guy’s gotta eat after all. The Legacy just feels so much like he doesn’t want to be here that it’d be better if he just did porn. He could make money off of it (even tho I don’t understand who the market is for broken noodle people doing flat, poorly conveyed banging) and it’s something he actually enjoys.

Right, that's what I mean. If his goal is making some extra money, commissioned pieces make a lot more sense, since he could take on as few or as many as he had time for and work when he felt like it, unlike the "pressures" of having a deadline of strips to release every week (that he consistently misses and takes hiatuses from.)

I suspect that as allergic to criticism as Mookie is, some part of him knows that he's not professional enough to hold himself to turning commissions around in a timely fashion so he wouldn't be able to make as much doing them as he (somehow) does from Legacy. I can't imagine who buys this stuff either, but someone his patreon's still giving him more than $1000/month.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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TheHan posted:

(even tho I don’t understand who the market is for broken noodle people doing flat, poorly conveyed banging)
Slenderman has needs too.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Folks, I have nothing to look forward to in life. The only thing I have is the Legacy of Dominic Deegan. That being said, can we please drip feed the thread Mookie's uploads instead of all at once? There's really nothing to talk about if we see a weeks worth of nothing all at once instead of being drip fed 2-3 days worth of nothing.

Like, we may have spent two days talking about why snout was taking out the bodies? Is he going to bury them? Is this how snout feeds? That kind of thing.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Once again I must state that if you want to draw nudity and sexual activity you should at least have some solid grasp of the human figure.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Maxwell Lord posted:

Once again I must state that if you want to draw nudity and sexual activity you should at least have some solid grasp of the human figure.

It's satyr.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



Ague Proof posted:

It's satyr.
Expertly done. :golfclap:

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Invisible Clergy posted:

Right, that's what I mean. If his goal is making some extra money, commissioned pieces make a lot more sense, since he could take on as few or as many as he had time for and work when he felt like it, unlike the "pressures" of having a deadline of strips to release every week (that he consistently misses and takes hiatuses from.)

I suspect that as allergic to criticism as Mookie is, some part of him knows that he's not professional enough to hold himself to turning commissions around in a timely fashion so he wouldn't be able to make as much doing them as he (somehow) does from Legacy. I can't imagine who buys this stuff either, but someone his patreon's still giving him more than $1000/month.

Yeah I get the same feeling. If that Patreon support is coming from the leftover Star Power fans that were already the leftover Dominic Deegan fans, then I could see how it’s pulling money in and why he has the urge to trudge on with the legacy. He must be giving them something else though cause no way would early access to these pages sustain a Patreon. poo poo’s not good.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Since Star Power ended, Mookie's patreon HAS jumped about $100, so there's some evidence that former Star Power fans are migrating over there. But he's still only bringing in $1000 a month from it, so once the Star Power patreon ends (which I'm assuming they're going to do? Seems a bit underhanded to keep it up in case people forget) he'll be totally dependent on that + book sales. He HAS to keep this comic going even if he has no ideas or passion.

TheHan posted:

Yeah I get the same feeling. If that Patreon support is coming from the leftover Star Power fans that were already the leftover Dominic Deegan fans, then I could see how it’s pulling money in and why he has the urge to trudge on with the legacy. He must be giving them something else though cause no way would early access to these pages sustain a Patreon. poo poo’s not good.

Yeah, he posts Dominic Deegan epilogue comics plus bonus art there. But it looks like he's only been posting about one of those a month.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


you people are undervaluing inertia and the sort of parasocial relationship Mookie has built up with his fans. A lot of them have probably followed him since the original deegan days. For certain percentage of people, they begin personally idenfying with certain creators and it becomes about more than supporting art.

I promise not to post any spoilers from this point on. We know his pattern now so we don't need to confirm it.

On that note Chapter 5: Couch Forts and Crying

This Chapter is very short, but i'm going by Mookie's archives. I am removing no strips from this "chapter" in the archive.

So we go directly from the last strip to coming back home





Some fish jokes, eh. Newspaper strip level but not really worth commenting



This joke though, I don't like. Dominic's hatred of the normies has already become annoying, and combined with his Ernest Cline fantasy with Luna, you realize that he's one of those nerds. Misanthropy in a highschool nerd is understandable, in an adult man, it's sad and creepy



Again, fine, dominic likes smoking. Eh Whatever.



Greg is a huge man child. This is going to be his consitent characterization. When he's handicapped, it's not as grating as when he supercharges.

Here's where this very short chapter gets "interesting". It's time for Luna's damage to be trotted out once again, to remind everyone what a fragile sad sack she is, and how kind Dominic is, and how only he can see the beauty inside.



Luna is having another moodswing. Didn't come up at all during their trek to save greg, but now that they're home, seeing that blood and death, and watching Dominic die, actually did mess up this woman who just watched her mother get.....



Nah, it's actually because she was reminded by how pretty the dryad was of how unlovable and ugly she is.



It's ok though, Luna is a beautiful person, unlike that hypothetical fairy princess she was just comparing herself to. He does end it on a tooth pun though, so obviously Dominic is a little fixated :v:. Again that's all it takes, Luna is healed again, until she relapses into her dumb woman damage.



Oh Dominic, you are so brave and noble. Greg continues to be manchild, but Dominic is definitely a worse human being her.



Again, it's dominic project to fix Luna. It's gross. Also greg is no official like a child. I don't even understand how he was travelling on his own in the first place, if he's like a 10 year old off his ritalin usually. Was he not a compentent adult 3 hours ago?



The strip ends with Mookie playing out his awful domestic fantasy again. Put in the kindness coins, and your waifu supplies you with mothering. That's what this is. And it is a mothering fantasy. Luna is canonically damaged and desperate for positive attention. Domnic does nothing to discourage it, and in fact leans into it. I know he cooked them dinner so it can be like a reciprocal thing, but the attention to the food and it being the focul point of the strip makes it different.

Yeah. Not a lot to say other than it really was right from the beginning that Dominic's relationship with Luna was creepy. It was absolutely that nerd fantasy of the time, a girlfriend who takes care of you and mothers you and gives you sex, and you control them by being their lifeline to self-esteem.

Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Sep 1, 2020

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Yeah, he posts Dominic Deegan epilogue comics plus bonus art there. But it looks like he's only been posting about one of those a month.

See now that makes sense. You don’t cash in on an old IP with a slapped together story about some loser looking for paper. We should be following Dominic Deegan to his grave (and then following his son, Roderick Deegan). If Mookie really wanted to do that though he just would have, he’s probably bored of the whole Deegan universe.


The Little Death posted:

you people are undervaluing inertia and the sort of parasocial relationship Mookie has built up with his fans. A lot of them have probably followed him since the original deegan days. For certain percentage of people, they begin personally idenfying with certain creators and it becomes about more than supporting art.

This is probably true, but then why come back to Dominic Deegan? He could do any story he wanted but he thinks the real money's in a Dominic Deegan sequel.

Like look at this chapter of OG DD, so embarrassing but so earnest! Usually Mookie comics are bursting with love, spite and horniness. The Legacy feels empty even when it's doing the extended Looney Tunes bits.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


TheHan posted:

See now that makes sense. You don’t cash in on an old IP with a slapped together story about some loser looking for paper. We should be following Dominic Deegan to his grave (and then following his son, Roderick Deegan). If Mookie really wanted to do that though he just would have, he’s probably bored of the whole Deegan universe.


This is probably true, but then why come back to Dominic Deegan? He could do any story he wanted but he thinks the real money's in a Dominic Deegan sequel.

Like look at this chapter of OG DD, so embarrassing but so earnest! Usually Mookie comics are bursting with love, spite and horniness. The Legacy feels empty even when it's doing the extended Looney Tunes bits.

I think the legacy choice was him both genuinely trying to push himself artistically, and responding to the fact that a lot of his patreon bonus content is centered on deegan nostalgia from him small fanbase. Hell, it sure got our attention. Tying it to what was, for better or worse, an infamous and popular enough webcomic is a great way to get people talking about it. He just didn't have anything to actually say. He loved the mongrelfolk before so my guess is snout was a character he had bumping around for a while and then decided to shoehorn in here.

Plus Legacy started as a bonus content he was going to do for a kickstarter, that was never reached. I think initally it may jave just been him having fun, but as his relationship with Garth ended (or soured) it became a chore, and one that I think he dislikes somewhat. having to produce content related to what he made before. With star power he just needed to write the script and the rest happened without him.

Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Sep 1, 2020

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Traced or not, those ~luxurious landscape~ and cityscape pages definitely seemed - I'm no artist so maybe I'm wrong - like Mookie was putting in, for want of a better word, effort and at least getting creative and trying new things. Like even if he traced, it still suggests to me some level of interest in what he was doing because he cared enough to try and give his audience scenery porn. Plus while some of it was doubtless just horniness, all the drawings of Ink Witch 1.0 imply he had a fair bit of investment in this at first and that like LDD was occupying his thoughts even when he wasn't working on it.

It feels unfair to make the comparison because Martin's writing at its worst is far superior to Mookie's at its best, but it almost sort of reminds me of what seems like it happened with A Song of Ice and Fire. The author clearly cared and was invested in the story and setting at some point, and maybe still is. But then at some point they lost the plot and can't figure out how to resolve it and just kind of have drifted away as a result, but are too proud, stubborn, or in denial to admit that they are unable and unwilling to complete the story.

Like as bad as LDD was at all times, it really feels like he started off hype and interested in it, going along for the ride like we were since Mookie's audience is himself and he has no idea what will happen next until he draws it. Then he 'wrote' himself into a corner, floundered, and yeah.

Just, unlike Martin, Mookie needs money so he doesn't have the luxury of not doing anything but pretending he will. So he makes floundering nothing pages and soft reboots.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Counterpoint, tracing landscapes is quick and easy work
The bazaar would have taken a bit of work though, which is certainly more than the white void bgs of his previous work, so there's that

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

TheHan posted:

See now that makes sense. You don’t cash in on an old IP with a slapped together story about some loser looking for paper. We should be following Dominic Deegan to his grave (and then following his son, Boruto Deegan). If Mookie really wanted to do that though he just would have, he’s probably bored of the whole Deegan universe.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Is Mookie really a fan of modern anime? He seems like he'd go into Overboomer about things and reminisce about the 90's.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Miss posted:

Counterpoint, tracing landscapes is quick and easy work
The bazaar would have taken a bit of work though, which is certainly more than the white void bgs of his previous work, so there's that

For MOOKIE it's a lot of work. And as I've said, he's putting a lot of effort into this new art, but not into practicing + improving his skill otherwise. So it's always going to be a lot of effort for subpar results.

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

I know that it never gets any better, but I’m just astounded at all the comics that end with a lovely pun. Imagine tuning in every day and getting greeted by that like half the time

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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Soup du Jour posted:

I know that it never gets any better, but I’m just astounded at all the comics that end with a lovely pun. Imagine tuning in every day and getting greeted by that like half the time
Never read Schlock Mercenary.

Well, they're usually not lovely, there's just a lot of puns.

A lot.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Will the legacy have a superhero arc? And a metal band arc?? Is it really a Deegan comic without those

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

someone's gonna write down the music for snout and he'll rock out to it somehow

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Dabir posted:

someone's gonna write down the music for snout and he'll rock out to it somehow

No, no.

Just feeling the ground vibrations from how loud they’re playing is enough to get him headbanging.

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?

Regalingualius posted:

No, no.

Just feeling the ground vibrations from how loud they’re playing is enough to get him headbanging.

drat you beat me to this. I was about to say that feeling the vibrations is gonna be Mookie's excuse to make metal Snout's favorite genre.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008

The Little Death posted:



It's ok though, Luna is a beautiful person, unlike that hypothetical fairy princess she was just comparing herself to. He does end it on a tooth pun though, so obviously Dominic is a little fixated :v:. Again that's all it takes, Luna is healed again, until she relapses into her dumb woman damage.

This is one of those moments where Mookie's fixations on puns and ending serious strips on punchlines end up with a kind of vile result. Like he's talking about how beautiful she is while also reminding her of the reason she thinks she's ugly. It's like some sort of lovely negging thing going on here.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Dabir posted:

someone's gonna write down the music for snout and he'll rock out to it somehow

He'll get a magical artifact that lets him see sound and mookie will draw like some circles in the air for Snout to headbang to.

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
I love how the 'fairy princess' dryad is automatically flaky because she's pretty despite not showing a single flaky quality. She can't possibly have a warm heart or a brilliant mind too, because Dominic knew everything he ever needed to know about her from watching her bleed out!

I suppose if he starts off by pushing another woman down first, he doesn't have to put as much effort into making Luna feel superior to her, which as everyone knows is the most important quality for a Deegan.

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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Pyrotoad posted:

I love how the 'fairy princess' dryad is automatically flaky because she's pretty despite not showing a single flaky quality. She can't possibly have a warm heart or a brilliant mind too, because Dominic knew everything he ever needed to know about her from watching her bleed out!

I suppose if he starts off by pushing another woman down first, he doesn't have to put as much effort into making Luna feel superior to her, which as everyone knows is the most important quality for a Deegan.

:jerkbag: she's a popular girl

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