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I seen it in IMAX and the sound was bad like everyone is saying 
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Sep 2, 2020 01:33
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I think the scene where I remember the poor mix standing out the most is whenever Branagh is expositing about his cooperation with the future people and what their agenda is. I think I got the gist of it, but don’t think I understood half of the actual lines.
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Sep 2, 2020 01:36
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For IMAX I think it was just three scenes where I had trouble understanding what was being said: the boat scene where they're talking over headsets, the first part of the inverted interrogation and then during the big action scene at the end.
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Sep 2, 2020 02:35
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General Dog posted:I think the scene where I remember the poor mix standing out the most is whenever Branagh is expositing about his cooperation with the future people and what their agenda is. I think I got the gist of it, but don’t think I understood half of the actual lines. I couldn't hear a god drat thing in that scene, so I missed the entire part about the climate etc. Had no idea until I read about it today.
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Sep 2, 2020 02:45
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The climate stuff was totally lost, as was the stuff about the art dealer to and fro. The talk of the fake or not plutonium was also a scramble to discern. Even the military briefing was tough. It was bad, really bad at my cinema. I’m pretty sure other patrons were talking about refunds.
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Sep 2, 2020 04:05
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I saw it in iSense and my wife and I were constantly looking at each other during the movie and mouthing, 'What did they say?' After watching it, I only know the general gist of the plot. It was an interesting movie where it was fun to watch, but at the same time the first hour or so just kept going and introducing new places and people at rapid pace that you kinda just get buried in what's actually going on. Doesn't help that you can barely hear the dialogue. Oddly enough, it felt like when the movie followed the normal flow of time, it was incredibly hard to follow and unpredictable, bit watching the scenes where there was the inverse of time it was quite easy to follow.
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Sep 2, 2020 04:14
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muscles like this! posted:For IMAX I think it was just three scenes where I had trouble understanding what was being said: the boat scene where they're talking over headsets, the first part of the inverted interrogation and then during the big action scene at the end. I see alot of people are talking about the catamaran scene and how hard it was to understand but I actually thought that was one of the easier ones for me to discern. Having the dialogue have that kind of walky-talky effect helped it stick out more.
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Sep 2, 2020 04:20
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I saw it in IMAX a few days ago with my bro and we both missed probably 30% of the dialogue. I found it particularly difficult during the opera scenes, catamaran scene and when Branagh was whispering for 10 minutes at the ending. This is clearly a Nolan thing since he keeps having people in masks or over radios saying important things you can't understand over multiple movies now. WHy Nolan I just want to understand your movie
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Sep 2, 2020 07:44
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My other theory is that he wants to avoid the traditional Bond trope of the protagonist strutting into M’s soundproof office for a delightfully quiet briefing and some secretary harassment. That’s also possibly why we don’t get a name for JDW. It’s to sidestep “Bond, James Bond”. Doesn’t quite gel with this movie having an out and out Q branch scene.
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Sep 2, 2020 09:01
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I think the best example is where Patterson is discussing The airport attack, and the camera is literally spinning around the three of them at 200rpm, while INTENSE ELECTRO music plays at deafening levels, both distracting from and muddying the dialogue. It certainly made discussing a plan more exciting but it was also enormously funny.
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Sep 2, 2020 10:53
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Does Nolan not understand humans? Because I can't believe a movie with such a good cast was forced to talk about temporal pincer movements with a straight face, or how the direction of every dialog is "speak with the emotion of a middle manager at a team meeting." Nolan also needs a good action coordinator, the dude can direct vehicle action like no other but every shootout in his movies is literally the scene from South Park's Inception parody where dudes are just firing at the sky. I went into it thinking it was going to be like an action thriller but realizing it's his take on a high concept James Bond I came around to understanding the intent a lot better. But even discounting the audio issues there are bullet points the movie just drops like what's the deal with the opera? Am I the only one who thought the movie was reversing back to the opera where we first see the artifact and what we can only assume is Neil saving P's life. Why did Sator immediately befriend P after he name dropped the Opera, who was the agent that got "made," wtf was the entire point? If it was a James Bond cold opening that's supposed to be what it is, James Bond doesn't really build off the pre-credits scene and then Tenet just ignores it completely. Also was it Neil that took the headshot in the end? Is that what he meant by their friendship was over, that his "death" is inverting once more after the big assault to take a final bullet? Or are there multiple faceless agents with the little medal that act as bodyguards for P knowing when he'll die idk I just don't loving know lol.
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Sep 2, 2020 15:25
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That was definitely Neil. And  at people who think he's the kid. If that turns out to be true, that's hilarious.
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Sep 2, 2020 15:35
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muscles like this! posted:For IMAX I think it was just three scenes where I had trouble understanding what was being said: the boat scene where they're talking over headsets, the first part of the inverted interrogation and then during the big action scene at the end. Exactly this for me, saw it in IMAX, these three scenes were the only rough ones, and actually the Catamaran one I caught all of, but that was the first point I thought "This is a bit hard to hear". The inverted interrogation, I felt like it was basically impossible to follow, but then when you hear it again, it kinda makes sense, and I realised I'd heard enough of it for it to all work, so I figured it was intentional. The big action scene at the end though, yeah, it was like, why is anyone even talking. What's the point. It's all muffled to poo poo through the mask, and under the noise of a million explosions and a roaring score. Apparently on a Nolan set, the 'sound guys' are seen as annoying nerds, a waste of time.
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Sep 2, 2020 15:36
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Oh jeeze, I completely forgot they wheeled out Sir Michael Caine for five minutes to play a character named Sir Michael
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Sep 2, 2020 15:55
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al-azad posted:Oh jeeze, I completely forgot they wheeled out Sir Michael Caine for five minutes to play a character named Sir Michael Oh yeah, that was SO weird. If you're gonna do that, surely the thing to do is call him "Sir Maurice Joseph Micklewhite Jr." ?
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Sep 2, 2020 16:24
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al-azad posted:Also was it Neil that took the headshot in the end? Is that what he meant by their friendship was over The opera setpiece is there to fill out the square and that's it  I thought the balcony throw was setting up a small time loop since it looked significant but it wasn't relevant later
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Sep 2, 2020 16:55
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Interesting movie will have to watch it again a few times but there's alot of funky super technology that's not quite explained. I dig the idea of it though.
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Sep 2, 2020 17:50
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Ruffian Price posted:Yes, P has already met him after he spent years inverted (remember how twitchy he was in their first scene?), but he (in the future) has yet to meet P. Hence the beginning of a beautiful friendship for P and the end for Neil.
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Sep 2, 2020 18:26
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Vir posted:That was definitely Neil. And You know it is him because he has a little dangling thing on his backpack which is shown on the dead body and then on Neil when he is walking away from P. (Also on the guy with the inverted bullet who saves P in the opera house at the beginning of the movie). Edit: Also, you know, that's the whole point of their final scene together. muscles like this! fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Sep 2, 2020 20:50
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al-azad posted:But even discounting the audio issues there are bullet points the movie just drops like what's the deal with the opera? Am I the only one who thought the movie was reversing back to the opera where we first see the artifact and what we can only assume is Neil saving P's life. Why did Sator immediately befriend P after he name dropped the Opera, who was the agent that got "made," wtf was the entire point? If it was a James Bond cold opening that's supposed to be what it is, James Bond doesn't really build off the pre-credits scene and then Tenet just ignores it completely. Sator befriended him because mentioning the opera suggested that p knew sator was trying to secure the algorithm piece during the opera siege. The agent that got made was presumably someone tasked with protecting the algorithm piece, why he took it to the opera with him is a mystery to me though. Yeah, Neil gets shot in the hypocentre after unlocking the door. That's what he means by it being the end of their friendship for him, because he knows he dies on his next pass of the mission (but knows p will go on to start their bromance in p's future).
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Sep 2, 2020 21:20
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insane that the SA thread for a new Nolan movie is going about the same rate as the Godzilla thread. Pandemic world is weird.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:54
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I thought this only released in the US this coming weekend? Maybe the thread will pick up then?  Pierson posted:There's 100% an emotional message of the film that the main characters demonstrate and talk about at several points and it's about people who care about other people and watch out for them versus people who only care about themselves. This is a good point, but the movie has the unfortunate message in the opposite direction as well because we are still going to gently caress the climate and ruin the future peoples world, which is also selfish. So our heroes aren't actually that much better. Of course in theory Protagonist might try to use his time powers to halt climate change, but we are given no indication he will or even if it's possible, as my read of the film is it's a loop and you can't change the past, what has happened has happened, so because the climate is hosed up in the "past" for the future, it always will be. No going back. Bit sad really Aidan_702 posted:I agree on one hand that Nolan's films are cold and emotionless but there is usually always a grander scale moral or 'love' at surrounding them - I do like this about his films but he is not really any good at creating bonds or investment from the audience, between his characters, naturally. This film I think does it better than his others - the Neil twist at the end is very bittersweet, although given the internal logic of the film it does sort of mean that we're still going to destroy the world through climate change which is a bit grim. My only hope is that by saving Kat from Priya he does in, in fact, actually change the future, but that's just a hunch I'd like this theory to be right but I think in the logic of the film it can't be.
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Sep 2, 2020 22:49
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muscles like this! posted:You know it is him because I know it's Neil - that's what I said. What I was laughing at is the idea that Neil is Kat and Sator's kid. Is there indication of that? garycoleisgod posted:This is a good point, but the movie has the unfortunate message in the opposite direction as well because we are still going to gently caress the climate and ruin the future peoples world, which is also selfish. So our heroes aren't actually that much better. Of course in theory Protagonist might try to use his time powers to halt climate change, but we are given no indication he will or even if it's possible, as my read of the film is it's a loop and you can't change the past,
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Sep 2, 2020 23:33
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well why not posted:insane that the SA thread for a new Nolan movie is going about the same rate as the Godzilla thread. It isn't opening in America until this weekend, what you are reading are people that saw an international release like myself.
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Sep 3, 2020 04:43
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Justin Godscock posted:It isn't opening in America until this weekend, what you are reading are people that saw an international release like myself. I saw it in Texas on Monday, which is when advance screenings started.
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Sep 3, 2020 04:48
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Justin Godscock posted:It isn't opening in America until this weekend, what you are reading are people that saw an international release like myself. I've seen it already, I'm in Sydney. it's a good movie which i hate due to having the audio mix absolutely hosed My point is that there was a time when a Nolan movie thread would be 10 pages a day, pre-opening, now we're in slowmo pandemic times and it's a glacial pace.
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Sep 3, 2020 04:52
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Sound mix was a mess. Gimmick didn't really work to hold up an entire movie of mostly blank faced people talking at each other back and forth, not to actually have a conversation, but to just infodump the audience. Pattinson's reliably great, easily the best actor under 40 working today.
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Sep 3, 2020 06:36
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Going just from this movie, I wouldn't know if Pattinson will make a good Batman or not. He got to show more range in something like The Lighthouse.
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Sep 3, 2020 09:29
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Vir posted:Going just from this movie, I wouldn't know if Pattinson will make a good Batman or not. He got to show more range in something like The Lighthouse. Is Batman even a role that needs a lot of range?
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Sep 3, 2020 09:46
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Saw it again last night, this time in IMAX. The volume was annoyingly loud, and the mix wasn't great. I could still make out the dialogue, but it wasn't easy. Of course I'd already seen the movie once, so that likely helped. Last week in a normal theater, volume was good, mix was fine, no problems with the dialogue. Maybe Tenet's mix is different from most other blockbusters and some theaters just aren't made to handle that.
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Sep 3, 2020 10:41
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Well the soundtrack is out now for anyone who wants ULTRA LOUD SYNTH OPERA. I mean I thought the soundtrack was great so I'll be listening to this today. Possible minor spoilers in the track listing https://open.spotify.com/album/5gqjdw7uY2SRwuindlWBi8?si=Wn9itd3gSTKe8aWQiuBdSw https://tidal.com/browse/album/153198851
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Sep 3, 2020 11:46
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DanTheFryingPan posted:Maybe Tenet's mix is different from most other blockbusters and some theaters just aren't made to handle that. Given the widespread audience reports of unintelligible dialogue, that's a failure of the film not the cinema, in the same way that an album that only sounded good on one speaker system would be a failure of the audio engineer not the speakers.
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Sep 3, 2020 12:44
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The issues with the dialogue are a lot more than the sound mix. The film is just full of situations where speech would be difficult to hear - masks on for large swathes of the movie (that obscure lip movements that even hearing people subconsciously read), the catamaran scene, the interrogation scene where you have to discern an electronic voice (that isn't even set up well) over backwards shouting and other noises. The dialogue problems began at the scripting stage. This must be intentional.
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Sep 3, 2020 13:43
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I've been wondering if the final set piece would have been enjoyable to watch if I had any idea who was shooting at who, what the "temporal pincer movement" was supposed to accomplish, or what they were doing there in the first place. But the building falling down and then up and then down again was cool? Everyone is complaining about the sound mix but the editing, especially in the beginning, was also atrocious. Dune sure looks good. Cacator fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Sep 3, 2020 16:46
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Cacator posted:I've been wondering if the final set piece would have been enjoyable to watch if I had any idea who was shooting at who, what the "temporal pincer movement" was supposed to accomplish, or what they were doing there in the first place. Yeah this was kind of every action set-piece in the movie for me. These action scenes are, by design, disorienting the first time around and then at least partially explain confusing elements when our protagonists revisit them. However, even when the protagonists do their second or third runs through the same window of time, it seems like they rarely do anything really clever or take real advantage of their knowledge of how things are going to unfold, which seems like kind of a waste of the conceit of the movie. I'll also say that the reveal we get at the end is both kind of predictable and kind of a rehash of Memento's themes. But, Nolan repeating themes isn't really anything new. General Dog fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Sep 3, 2020 17:02
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General Dog posted:Yeah this was kind of every action set-piece in the movie for me. These action scenes are, by design, disorienting the first time around and then at least partially explain confusing elements when our protagonists revisit them. However, even when the protagonists do their second or third runs through the same window of time, it seems like they rarely do anything really clever or take real advantage of their knowledge of how things are going to unfold, which seems like kind of a waste of the conceit of the movie. 100% this. The movie's built around a gimmick that's not really employed to what would seem to be maximum effect. Also, I can't believe this cost $250 million, where did it all go?!?!
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Sep 3, 2020 18:18
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AlternateAccount posted:100% this. The movie's built around a gimmick that's not really employed to what would seem to be maximum effect. They just had to run a real plane to a wall for authenticity. (No really they did.)
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Sep 3, 2020 18:26
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That vehicle box-in scene looked like a massive money sink and they probably had to run the scenario multiple times. Knowing Nolan the CGI was minimal e: lmao can't believe I already forgot about the plane
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Sep 3, 2020 18:28
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Sep 3, 2020 19:08
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Yeah I think the money is definitely on the screen for this one, especially knowing that when you see big vehicles crashing into each other Nolan's just shooting actual big vehicles crashing into each other.
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Sep 3, 2020 19:12
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