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Mookie's insistence that his wankbait is actually super cool and meaningful has strong Hideo Kojima 'no there's a REASON Quiet has a bikini, miniskirt and ripped fishnets in a warzone and anyone mad about it will feel like big stupidheads when the story reveals it!!!' energy. Semi-relevant.
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Pyrotoad posted:Mookie's insistence that his wankbait is actually super cool and meaningful has strong Hideo Kojima 'no there's a REASON Quiet has a bikini, miniskirt and ripped fishnets in a warzone and anyone mad about it will feel like big stupidheads when the story reveals it!!!' energy. Still one of the greatest tweet meltdowns of all time https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/376424398023962624 Especially since the reason boils down to 'Uh she breathes through her skin so if she wears too much she suffocates. Yes, this is a perfectly reasonable and totally possible thing'
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TheHan posted:On one hand the Mookie that wrote this was still a beginner, so I don't expect genius character writing. On the other you'd think even a lovely writer would notice they wrote a creepy, overbearing rear end in a top hat of a brother in Dominic. If I didn't know better I'd expect Jacob to show up and be a dark mirror to Dominic, too stubborn and controlling to realize that he was hurting Gregory rather than helping him. Dominic realizes this, apologizes, gets a little better. Easy character arc, slam dunk. I don't remember anything close to that happening, plus Dominic's designated Dark Mirror doesn't show up for a few more chapters. You'd think, but in Mookie's mind it can't be creepy and overbearing if he's right. And Dominic is always right. Even the few times he's wrong he turns out to be right anyway.
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Remember that the legacy Snout is obsessed with is from this rear end in a top hat lol
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Rotten Red Rod posted:The threat of hardcore Deegan porn edges closer and closer I wonder if he knows that "nymphs" are a whole class of mythological creature that come in a ton of different types, many of which don't have anything to do with the forest or plants no of course not, he gets all of his mythology from D&D where there is one type of nymph and it has to do with trees
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I find it ironic that Dominic says 'in my house/under my roof' about mentioning Jacob, but what he means is 'literally anywhere in the universe that I can scry out that you did that.' Actual dark lord behavior.
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Zerilan posted:I don't think drawing softcore porn and drawing attention to what you're doing is exactly normalizing anything? When I think of like, normalizing depictions of intimacy/sex I mostly think of poo poo like Oglaf. having his trans space cop character be explicitly trans would be "patting himself on the back over being progressive" and therefore bad, but making porn explicitly for the purpose of being progressive and calling attention to that wouldn't be keep on rockin' mookiebean
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The one thing I will say in defense of this storyline is that I have read in one book of medieval history (albeit one that's kind of outdated and honestly a slog) that yeah, it used to be a very widespread pasttime to just publicly mock and shame anyone who was disabled or had a deformity, that was what you did for entertainment. (Obviously it still happens now but you might at least get someone telling you "Hey gently caress you".) Of course Deeganworld isn't anything like medieval Europe.
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Zore posted:Still one of the greatest tweet meltdowns of all time "You will feel bad when you hear the made up reason I contrived for why this female character has to wear fetish gear all the time" is really all-time stuff. Especially since The End in MGS3 had the exact same thing going on and he didn't have to run around in a speedo, for some reason.
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Her bare skin wasn't even the worst part in the end, it was the fact that when you were with her in the helicopter she'd be presenting herself like a dog in heat to the camera the entire time. Every single cutscene with her was like they told the mocap actor she was in a soft core porno. She's also literally the only female character in the game, and, well, doesn't talk.
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Don’t forget that her story arc ends with an attempted gang rape against her, followed by her heroically sacrificing herself to save the man she loves. 
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Maxwell Lord posted:The one thing I will say in defense of this storyline is that I have read in one book of medieval history (albeit one that's kind of outdated Yeah I'd be wary about that, then. The middle ages are one of these eras people love trash talking and that included a lot of complete fabrications aimed at making it more backward and barbaric than it actually was. "The Dark Age" and all that stuff. Yeah well, Mr. Renaissance Man, you think you're all fancy and enlightened because you've read old Greek texts, but guess what? At least medieval people bathed instead of believing that basic hygiene was sinful.
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Regalingualius posted:Yet again we have the whole thing with “oh, the heroes wouldn’t really ever use lethal force”. These are people who were geared up to lynch them. Would anyone seriously fault Dominic for at least letting loose with a real warning fireball to show that he isn’t loving around with them? And it would even serve as a bit of a contrast between him and Luna; instead of just ripping off her “scare them with illusions” gimmick entirely, he’s the one who goes straight to actual overwhelming force, which plays into his curmudgeonly personality. Joe Slowboat posted:I find it ironic that Dominic says 'in my house/under my roof' about mentioning Jacob, but what he means is 'literally anywhere in the universe that I can scry out that you did that.' As touched on in some of the older threads, if the narrative actually understood that Dominic was evil, some parts of it might be less stupid. Obviously writing non-humorous fanfic of Deegan is not a useful or pleasant way to spend one's time, but I can see Luna waking up Tuesday and seeing Dominic blithely telling fortunes, asking him why the townsperson he was talking to didn't hold a grudge after they left, and then Dominic rattles some gold coins in his hand and says "I changed his mind," and then smirk, and Luna could learn Lynn's Brook was like a Twilight Zone "It's A Good Life" type situation where Dominic stays in this dismal backwater town specifically because there aren't any other magic users here so he can terrorize and manipulate the population as he wishes. The comic is so devoid of actual conflict since bullets just bounce off Dominic's chest, you find your mind wandering to such places. quote:Less egregiously, that was also a bit of a missed chance to give some early setup and fleshing out for why Jacob became estranged from the rest of them. Hell, maybe even reveal at the climax of one of his arcs that his descent started from a gigantic misunderstanding: he was actually trying to benignly siphon out the corruption on Greg’s leg, and Dominic (or someone else) walked in at the worst possible moment and immediately jumped to the wrong conclusion. And there’s your reason for why Greg still idolizes him, too: he knew the truth, but none of the others believed him when he tried to explain, and by the time he might have been able to more convincingly present his case, it was already too late to make a difference at that point. BattleMaster posted:I wonder if he knows that "nymphs" are a whole class of mythological creature that come in a ton of different types, many of which don't have anything to do with the forest or plants Maxwell Lord posted:The one thing I will say in defense of this storyline is that I have read in one book of medieval history (albeit one that's kind of outdated and honestly a slog) that yeah, it used to be a very widespread pasttime to just publicly mock and shame anyone who was disabled or had a deformity, that was what you did for entertainment. (Obviously it still happens now but you might at least get someone telling you "Hey gently caress you".)
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Lynn's Brook or whatever this first town's name was before Dominic took his crystal ball and went home is basically Mookie's perception of highschool.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Lynn's Brook or whatever this first town's name was before Dominic took his crystal ball and went home is basically Mookie's perception of highschool. Yeah, this is textual, it's named after the town he grew up in.
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I do think it’s funny that Dominic Deegan looks like it’s set in a lawless fantasy land, since Lynn’s Brook is surrounded by monsters and murderous bandits run around in broad daylight, but every other city in the human country is as modern as Philly. They just kinda let that one town go to poo poo.
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TheHan posted:I do think it’s funny that Dominic Deegan looks like it’s set in a lawless fantasy land, since Lynn’s Brook is surrounded by monsters and murderous bandits run around in broad daylight, but every other city in the human country is as modern as Philly. They just kinda let that one town go to poo poo. Another thing that would be explained away if Dominic was broadcasting some kind of psychic chaff to impair the cognitive ability of people within 1d10x10 miles of him, but alas alack.
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Imagine if he got assigned to there (or they were the only ones who would take him in) because he did the equivalent of lying around smoking weed in his dorm in wizarding college and only just barely cleared the threshold for a passing GPA.
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In this world, acts aren't good or evil, people are good or evil. Nerds or jocks. Big booby harlots or demure waifus.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Yeah, this is textual, it's named after the town he grew up in. loving imagine hearing that someone from your town made a webcomic where they name a fantasy town the same name, and and you read the chapter where all the idiot bigot locals get gruesomely murdered.
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Begemot posted:"You will feel bad when you hear the made up reason I contrived for why this female character has to wear fetish gear all the time" is really all-time stuff. Especially since The End in MGS3 had the exact same thing going on and he didn't have to run around in a speedo, for some reason. To stop being fair to Kojima, wearing pantyhose is not the actions of a person who needs to expose as much skin as possible. She'd honestly have been better off in like, jogging shorts and a sports bra.
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I honestly have no idea how I managed to read through this without feeling like Dominic was being a huge dick about the Jacob thing. I don't know if "never talk about him" is the best way to help your brother process trauma.
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Riot Bus posted:I honestly have no idea how I managed to read through this without feeling like Dominic was being a huge dick about the Jacob thing. Right? Like, that could make for some setup where his absolute refusal to ever discuss or talk it out with Greg comes back to bite him in the rear end hard later on down the road. Such as Greg deciding to stop trusting in him because he’s been an overbearing jackass to him, which means he never delivers some vital bit of information to Dominic that could have prevented some major personal tragedy, or defeat, or other setback from happening had he known beforehand. Bada bing, bada boom, you get a character arc where Dominic is forced to confront the direct consequences of his jackassery, and ostensibly starts trying to become a better person from that point onwards.
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Yeah, exactly. Having a character act this way isn't a bad writing decision, it's just bad because the conflict here is not really explored properly. In a better story, a character like Dominic struggling with maintaining boundaries with regards to personal drama, given how easy it is for him to discover things, could be really interesting. Here, though, it's like... even if Dominic was correct and Jacob was 100% evil and 100% irredeemable, using your powers to watch someone have a private conversation and then get mad that they were having said conversation because you 'don't want it under your house' when they weren't even IN your house is just absurd. Yet, it isn't treated that way. Honestly it makes Greg seem naive for putting up with Dominic as much as he's 'naive' for hoping Jacob is redeemable.
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Saw this Deeganesque pic https://twitter.com/archillect/status/1301425234617217024
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one of the things i really love about naive art like early webcomics (a la deegan) is the unobstructed view into the artists' psyche i love how much the artist puts into their work with zero pretensions i love that the town full of one-dimensional bigots is named after mookie's hometown e: 
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STOP TEASING US MOOKIE. Do the hardcore porn. DO IT
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It's starting to bug me how lazy the nymph's hair is.
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Why is the satyr's dick soft in all these. Even he's not enjoying them.
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Because Mookie is a coward who really only wants to draw boobs but wants to claim credit for being sex-positive
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Invisible Clergy posted:Why is the satyr's dick soft in all these. Even he's not enjoying them.
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Confirmed Mookie is tracing when he draws his porn pics: It's so frustrating. He's halfway there. Yes, tracing is fine... As a training tool. Life drawing classes do employ tracing to a degree, but in the context of reverse engineering the figure so that you understand the musculature better with the goal of drawing it WITHOUT tracing. Mookie says this is good practice. It is - he's getting better... At tracing.
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Most fantasy settings just modern western society doing medieval European cosplay, or something closer to medieval European society with some modern anachronisms to make characters and society more palatable and relatable. Deeganverse is neither of these things. It's a myopic and childish view of High School in vague medieval cosplay except when it can't even be bothered to do that.
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That last one is particularly sad. The softest dick imaginable. I know mookie is probably scared that drawing an erection will make him gay or something, but the idea of drawing nymphs and satyrs, you know, the dudes the greeks depicted like this: https://i.imgur.com/Iexfksc.jpg  obviouslylike he's doing. Why draw porn if you're not gonna do it right. Just draw the nymphs if you just want to ogle them. This is just like Snout's dick. Mookie feels that drawing (extremly boring) male nudity justifies his more voyeuristic female nudity. A challenge to Mookie: draw a dude naked, but not weird monster men, or limp-dicked goat people. Draw an actual naked human man for aethetic reasons the way you so clearly drew the ink witch. Do it, and then maybe I'll believe you that this is for "art's" sake and not because you're horny for black and white titties.
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Maybe he won't draw an erect dude because the models he's using are him and his wife, and he doesn't want to trace his own erect dick. Also because it's him he's tracing, we've all looked at Mookie's dick now
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I’m not really a fan of anyone who refers to sex as “playtime” It’s almost as bad as “sexytiems”
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Maybe he won't draw an erect dude because the models he's using are him and his wife, and he doesn't want to trace his own erect dick.
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A mournful dick
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I'm not as critical of him creating his own photo references to trace over, it's not as egregious as tracing over someone's photography or Nighthawks. I think approaching it as an alternative to artists who draw without reference is a little weird. Usually professional artists who use tracing are mainly concerned with getting compositions and proportions down fast, not to make up for a lack of skill when it comes to creating pieces directly from your imagination. Even artists who don't trace are almost certainly referencing photography or models for difficult poses, I think anyone would have a hard time drawing two bodies intertwined without a reference! I don't even really get his need to bring up that he's tracing, of course we all assumed so since the anatomy wasn't jacked up, but these nymph pieces haven't even looked overly referenced or traced. You don't have to tell us how the sausage is made.
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