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Yeah, like I said, tracing has a place. But he's relying solely on it instead of combining it with any other life drawing training. Note how he says he wasn't happy with his non-traced art? He's using tracing as a crutch and that's going to limit his skill if he keeps doing that. More than anything I just find it sad that he's trying to support his family with his artistic skill and he clearly hasn't been practicing or building his skill much at all since Dominic Deegan ended. With all the time he's had he could be a decent artist by now, and he HAS clearly gotten better since then, but he's hobbling his development in the way he's doing it.
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Who What Now posted:A mournful dick Mourning wood.
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Iacen posted:Mourning wood. Ayyye
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Confirmed Mookie is tracing when he draws his porn pics: I KNEW it! Mookie, don't make us look at that, wtf.
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Sep 4, 2020 19:56
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man's too lazy to even get up a boner for his art
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Eh, honestly? He's pretty open that these are just self-indulgent pieces and not something he's doing commercially, and that the photos he used as references are made by himself. If that's the case, it's no worse than someone who takes a picture of their own hand or has a poseable model figure (either in real life or as a 3D program). And for all the issues with how he's let his art stagnate, he's not wrong about how other artists also reference other work or use models, whether they've been drawing for one month or one decade. Taken solely in this context, I don't see anything wrong with him using references, as long as he isn't dishonest about it like he was when tracing urban landscape photos. In a broader context of how he tends to give up after making mistakes, though... I keep thinking about that time he changed how he drew people in profile for a few strips, then went back to snoutfaces because he was more comfortable that way. I'm more amused that he keeps insisting that he's drawing something more meaningful than intimate than porn and that he wants to normalize sexuality in media the way violence is normalized. Come on, dude, it isn't that deep, especially not if you're gonna call it saucy playtime. It is okay to draw smut for the sake of smut! Intimacy between partners doesn't always have to involve sexuality, and it's his own deliberate decision to draw them in only sexual situations thus far. It doesn't need to be justified with a deeper meaning.
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he's naked, cuddling up to his wife, also naked, with whom he has children, in his idea of a sexy, intimate pose, and either neither of them can be bothered to muster so much as a twitch out of his dong, or he's fully erect and just drawing it flaccid because he thinks a boner would somehow corrupt his porn
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Sep 4, 2020 21:01
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To Mookie using a photo reference is tracing over a photo, not like, finding a picture of a thing and using that as a uh, visual reference which is 99% of artists doing things.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:55
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I feel like the real problem is it's still not that much better than his usual. It's hard to tell what actual artistic progress for him would look like but he's still mostly at the level of "I recognize that as humanoid".
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Sep 4, 2020 22:30
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Personally, I do not care if mookie progresses as an artist. In fact, I hope he does not.
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MiracleFlare posted:Eh, honestly? He's pretty open that these are just self-indulgent pieces and not something he's doing commercially, and that the photos he used as references are made by himself. If that's the case, it's no worse than someone who takes a picture of their own hand or has a poseable model figure (either in real life or as a 3D program). it is actually worse because neither of the latter involve the audience looking, by proxy, at the artist themself having sex fluffyDeathbringer fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Sep 5, 2020 |
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Sep 5, 2020 01:42
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i am glad to hear that mookie traced his wife's hand on his dick
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Are you? Because I hate that knowledge. It hurts me.
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Sep 5, 2020 02:46
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i honestly dont know, it is not knowledge that i can adequately process
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Okay yeah you're right, I focused too much on the technical details and blocked the implications of the modeling out of mind. I do not like these implications.
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I'll assume Mookie's body hair looks exactly like the satyr's. Why the gently caress did he tell people this
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fluffyDeathbringer posted:it is actually worse because neither of the latter involve the audience looking, by proxy, at the artist themself having sex Like 99% of artistic nudes in classical paintings are of one of the artist's lovers.
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Sep 5, 2020 03:20
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well yes, but usually not traced from a photograph mid-coitus with the artist
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I think that's more from lack of opportunity.
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No dicks here I'm afraid. Chapter 8: Visions of Doom [Part 1] This Chapter is split into multiple parts in the archive, of widly varying sizes. I get that he split them on story beats, but his archive is really bad for keeping that narrative flow going.  Starts of strong with what I believe is the first Alliteration as a joke comic in DD. Again, this is going to become a constant thing.  The return of Siggy...  to punish Dominic! Yes, go get him! Despite how stupid it gets, I like this DND adventuring party feel of these character introductions. It's corny but not bad. Milov and Jayden would become important charaters from this point forward.   The transition between these two strips is very awkward. It feels like there should have been a strip of him waking up in between, because otherwise the switch in positions is jarring and makes it feel like you missed something in the middle. Dominic has a Snout style cuddle session with his assistant. Keep this in mind because technically their relationship has not started at this point. I know it's a fait accompli at this point, but in universe it's not formal yet. In fact, the formal start of their relationship references this moment.  While falling asleep, Dominic has a vision of Jacob pulling the old paper skin trick people love in Deeganland   2 strips in a row with the sex jokes  A furhter vision of Jacob litching it up.  YES! I laughed out loud seeing this, no lie. I actually love how sudden and direct it is.  Now, granted the townspeople are terrible, but Dominic did threaten them. You would think he would argue that it was justified...  But instead he comes up with a dumb, convoluted explanation why what he did was technically not a threat. I can see how Mookie would think this is clever, but it really isn't. Again, Mookie seems to think that this sort of semantic cleverness is evidence of extreme intelligence, instead of being a pedant. it's like a technical rules lawyering smartguy thing, that comes up a lot in DD and came up a little starpower.  Siggy reacts a little extremly.   Just a little. I'm a little torn on this to be honest. I don't think it's out of character for Sigfried, and it does make him a pretty monstrous figure. However, the thing that gets me is that no one is going to treat him like what he did here was hosed up. It will at most be treated more like bullying for most of the comic, and it won't even be brought up during Siggy's infamour downfall and descent into hell. The framing the comic gives Siggy is a little all over the place. But because of that, he is probably the most complex and therefore most compelling character Mookie has ever written. The only other one who I remember liking as much is Celesto, which we will get into later. More on siggy later, won't spoil the specifics for anyone who has forgotten.   Luna again shows how actually powerful she is. Why illusions with the lynch mob then?  Awful, awful anime nonsense. That's why. I do like Milov reacting the way he is here though, just sort of matter of factly doing his duty as a...  Magic werewolf.  A powerful magic werewolf. I actually like Milov a lot here, just how he quickly and competently takes out the threat. It's damning with faint praise, but this early in the comic, characters like this are interesting and enough to keep me hooked wanting to see who they are.   Thankfully a plot contrivance with enormous anime eyes comes aroudn to save our heros, who were pretty screwed. It's never really explained how Luna and Jayden know each other, they just grew up together, while she was being gaslit by Croona I guess.  Dominic has a vision. Again.  Greg is a manchild who falls in love with every girl he sees.   Dominic gets everyone up to speed, Jayden magically knows he's telling the truth  The whole crew is now ready to set off on the main plot, but Siggy agai lapses into murderous rage. Here again we see the interesting framing that I think made people like Siggy. Milov and Jayden are likable characters, and seem competent and good-hearted. They like Siggy, so you see a side to him through them that he doesn't really demonstrate himself, at least not till much later. It's a weird dynamic because I can't tell if Mookie was going for Jayden and Milov being wrong, or Siggy being nuanced. He may not have thought that far, but I don't know who Siggy is supposed to be. He's like a noble paladin mixed with the jock bully of an 80's movie.  The greg schoolboy crush is dumb. I know it's a trope but it's dumb and infantilizing greg, who seems like he should be an adult. I don't know there's something about making the handicapped one emotionally immature I don't like.  And that's the end. Not the worst setup to a story, though the use of visions is getting pretty egregious at this point. Also Jayden being able to discern the truth like that would be really useful in a lot of places going forward but won't come up again as far as I remember.
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siggy is the best. just strollin into the comic ready to be the hero of lynn's brook i like the implication that he just been standing outside dominic's house waiting for the moment dom passed that spot so he could reach through the wall and pull him out
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The kingdom this story takes place in is such a hell hole. I guess, at least the knights being corrupt is sort of a plot point.
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Must be one hell of a sweet gig if they can just drop whatever they were originally meeting for to go help Siggy be a jackass. Agreed with the annoyance at Mookie trying to claim some tricky wordplay to explain that Dominic very technically didn’t actually threaten the villagers. Dude, just own up to your character doing something you consider less than perfect, and it was ultimately a completely meaningless distinction without a difference in-universe. I’m admittedly divided on how Siggy beating up Greg could have been handled better. Like, do you lean into outright dark comedy by having him go ridiculously over the top with it, or do you go more for the drama by having his friends try to stop him because they think he’s going too far with it?
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The Little Death posted:No dicks here I'm afraid. quote:to punish Dominic! Yes, go get him! quote:Despite how stupid it gets, I like this DND adventuring party feel of these character introductions. It's corny but not bad. Milov and Jayden would become important charaters from this point forward. quote:Just a little. I'm a little torn on this to be honest. I don't think it's out of character for Sigfried, and it does make him a pretty monstrous figure. However, the thing that gets me is that no one is going to treat him like what he did here was hosed up. It will at most be treated more like bullying for most of the comic, and it won't even be brought up during Siggy's infamour downfall and descent into hell. The framing the comic gives Siggy is a little all over the place. But because of that, he is probably the most complex and therefore most compelling character Mookie has ever written. The only other one who I remember liking as much is Celesto, which we will get into later. As a result, even when someone is beaten severely, like Siegfried does to the Deegans here, there can't be any sense of weight to it, because it'll all get magically erased in the next panel. No one holds what is basically a hate crime against Siegfried because there are no lasting consequences from it. But of course this aspect of the setting is never explored. It's just there so people can hit the Mookies with a mallet and say "baka" and then they can be healed. quote:Also Jayden being able to discern the truth like that would be really useful in a lot of places going forward but won't come up again as far as I remember.
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Hell, and white Mages are apparently common enough in the world (or at least the narrative) that even the one actual weakness of the mage having to be in any condition to cast in the first place is negated by Jayden’s presence. I’d personally probably throw in something like Dominic and Luna being shocked at having another white mage, to establish that they’re at least somewhat of a rarity.
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Jayden is probably the most mistreated character in the series (aside from the literal rape victim). It's all downhill from here for her.
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i legit don't even remember jayden who's the character who was a love interest for one of the guys but then mookie's girlfriend left him so he wrote the next story arc out so that this character cheated on her bf
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Siegfried is more of a lawful good character than Dominic or Danica ever were.
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Miss posted:i legit don't even remember jayden That would be Jayden
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Mors Rattus posted:That would be Jayden lmao i seriously thought it was a completely other character
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Remember that berserker guy who was working with the Infernomancer? He never appears again.
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Jayden went to the Desert of Eldariat-To-Die because she cheated on Milov with Siggy. Also Jayden Milov, and Siggy were originally the other player characters from the game Mookie got kicked out of because he was too annoying about his own character (Dominic, obviously). Since he got kicked out, he wrote his own stories for them.
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Miss posted:lmao I'm pretty sure the guilt over cheating is why she must go to the plains... to die! E: should have refreshed the page
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Cat Mattress posted:Jayden went to the Desert of Eldariat-To-Die because she cheated on Milov with Siggy. Goddamn what did the guy playing Siggy do to Mookie.
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TheHan posted:Goddamn what did the guy playing Siggy do to Mookie. Be a jock and quite possibly a better nerd than him by actually knowing things and not being a creep.
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Mookie is very clearly a fishmalk. You can tell because Rachel is portrayed as quirky rather than absolutely insufferable. If I had to guess Sigfried's player was probably a decent roleplayer who the other players liked and was most likely the party 'face' (thus stealing precious attention away from Mookie).
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I always find it a bit surprising none of the other players from those sessions made themselves known. Like what was the timeline on how long after the game that DD began? If they were still friends with Mookie you'd have expected them to post on the forums. And if I was Siggy or Jayden's player and I found out about Deegan, I'd probably want to shame Mookie in public for being a petty creep.
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The whole sequence with the affair was one of the few really terrible things that I still remember.
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Regalingualius posted:The whole sequence with the affair was one of the few really terrible things that I still remember. It was an illusion so it doesn't count.
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An illusion that wound up causing a fantasy pogrom.
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