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I wonder how the game would work if inheritances weren't instantaneous, but took a while to materialize, and you could tell people to gently caress off or you could haggle about them. For example, the king dies and his eldest son would inherit all of his titles. This would start a period whereby all of his family who stood to inherit something, ask for their dues, and you can individually decide to which degree you uphold the law. The more you deviate from how the pre-programmed inheritance would go, the more pissed off everybody becomes (your family for breaking their trust, your vassals for breaking the law, even the Pope or clergy could chime in and try to force the correct inheritance through). Depending on start date, maybe have it so a clergyman is appointed as curator of sorts and hands out the titles as appropriate over the course of a year. This would make inheritance less of an instant clusterfuck, but would make it a back-and-forth whereby everybody jockeys to get a piece of the pie over the course of one year and maybe your ambitious nephew says he'll sweep in and take everything and maybe you can decide to just not give any land to your rear end in a top hat drunkard brother if you think you can weather the mounting disappointment for a few years. It would also make it possible to tell everybody to chill out for a year or two if your king croaks during a war; we'll wrap up this war first and then divy up the kingdom. If people like you, they might trust you to go along with it, but if they don't, they might just declare themselves king or queen and go for all of your titles at once. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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Excelzior posted:TBH I rarely finish off the trees, the capstone perks are almost never worth investing through the garbage branch/es Same, especially since so many of the first and second tier perks are enormously powerful.
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Deltasquid posted:I wonder how the game would work if inheritances weren't instantaneous, but took a while to materialize, and you could tell people to gently caress off or you could haggle about them. oh boy now EVERY succession can lead to a William the Conqueror scenario 
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Sep 7, 2020 21:24
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Gobblecoque posted:It might just be that I've been very lucky but I've been having my characters take command all the time and they've never got a scratch on them (taking that first gallant perk beforehand of course). I would have thought that my current character surely would've caught an early battlefield death since she has Brave which gives +100% to the chance of dying in battle but she has lived so long that I'm getting a little antsy because I've got a genius heir lined up. Commanding is definitely much less risky than it was in CK2 (although not risk-free), but being a knight is a death sentence.
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Sep 7, 2020 21:30
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It would be kinda neat if you could bribe your way to titles or just purchase them outright. Say, because the holder is broke and indebted and you've got a nice pile of gold if he'll just grant you the title. Conquer the world through commerce.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:It would be kinda neat if you could bribe your way to titles or just purchase them outright. Say, because the holder is broke and indebted and you've got a nice pile of gold if he'll just grant you the title. Conquer the world through commerce. That is more or less in the game but locked behind one of the knowledge focus trees: you can just buy claims on titles (still gotta war for them though)
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Sep 7, 2020 21:34
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There is also an event where a vassal can ask you for money and offer you one of his counties in return.
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Sep 7, 2020 21:38
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If you convert your religion to accepting human sacrifice - like, say, reforming Bori in the Daura start - it's a very good idea to lay in a stockpile of otherwise worthless prisoners and put them in house arrest for a longer shelf life. On the day my new empress was crowned, she held a feast and fed a dozen foreigners of noble blood to the spirits, for instant 100 dread and 600 piety. Smoothed out the usual new ruler problems pretty well.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Commanding is definitely much less risky than it was in CK2 (although not risk-free), but being a knight is a death sentence. Very true, those poor schmucks are lucky if they survive a few years and wind up maimed and disfigured.
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Sep 7, 2020 21:40
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Reveilled posted:There is also an event where a vassal can ask you for money and offer you one of his counties in return. And not even that much money, I got one for like 40g I guess I can delay that feast for a few months
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Sep 7, 2020 21:44
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I wonder if this game falls into some weird AI uncanny valley. Like yeah there are some times where my allies obviously don't make the right move, but two or three times this afternoon I've had them make a move I initially thought was dumb (usually not reinforcing me in a battle that I was narrowly winning) and instead went off to break a siege or catch a reinforcing stack or something that later I realized was probably a good call. And since you can narrowly win a battle and still do outsized damage to the opposing force if you have good pursuit it's not even as big of a risk. It's weird.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:It would be kinda neat if you could bribe your way to titles or just purchase them outright. Say, because the holder is broke and indebted and you've got a nice pile of gold if he'll just grant you the title. Conquer the world through commerce. Reveilled posted:There is also an event where a vassal can ask you for money and offer you one of his counties in return.
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There's a weirdness in the comparison/relation between feudal and tribal governments. The former needs to absolutely be better, but it definitely feels like the latter takes a long time to get to the point of adopting it, particularly from the standpoint of technology. And then adopting feudalism wipes out all buildings. I'd love to see something like EU4 where the adoption of tech gets faster and faster based on your neighbors and then the buildings stay as either a basic building or it can be based on some combo of development level and the buildings you have.
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Sep 7, 2020 22:01
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join your liege's peasant rebellions to shank the peasants. they're PATHETIC usually and you can capture the leaders, which are usually fairly swole peasant dudes that you can then press-recruit.
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Can Tribals only adopt Feudal government or can you go for Clan government instead?
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AnEdgelord posted:Can Tribals only adopt Feudal government or can you go for Clan government instead? You can go for Clan as well. Gotta be Islamic tho. Or have a Clan government liege.
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Does anyone know if the bonuses from a special duchy building still apply to me if I give the county away? I have a county that I built a leisure palace in, which gives bonus prestige, stress loss, and scheme success chance to me. It says the bonuses are realm-wide instead of just for that duchy or holding, so I'd think it would still apply to me but you never know with this game. I have some more valuable counties I want instead so I was thinking of letting this one go. What's another good duchy building besides the leisure palaces? Siege works or military academies seem like they would be good, but I always get choice paralysis on these things and have a hard time picking one. edit: After testing, you do not keep any of the bonuses if the county isn't under your direct control. I wanted to build something new for one of my other duchies but I guess I'll build another leisure palace first since I like the bonuses from it. wizardofloneliness fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/RobZacny/status/1303054566729166854
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So I accidentally created a second kingdom before I had primogeniture, and I immediately realized the mistake and destroyed the title. Yet somehow, when I died, my second son inherited the now non-existent kingdom. This is not how it worked in CK2, so I assume it is a bug? It is extremely annoying trying an Ironman unification run to suddenly lose half my holdings and vassals to a second kingdom; more actually since my primary title was the smaller territory. So now I have a brother with 4 sons in a stronger Kingdom of Italy that I have to, somehow, re-absorb. Basically, if this is a bug, it is one that completely undid the first 200 years of the game.
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Anno posted:I wonder if this game falls into some weird AI uncanny valley. Like yeah there are some times where my allies obviously don't make the right move, but two or three times this afternoon I've had them make a move I initially thought was dumb (usually not reinforcing me in a battle that I was narrowly winning) and instead went off to break a siege or catch a reinforcing stack or something that later I realized was probably a good call. And since you can narrowly win a battle and still do outsized damage to the opposing force if you have good pursuit it's not even as big of a risk. It's weird. i think its a combo of genuinely better ai overall but with a couple of ck2/eu4 pathing bugs that can sometimes be a bit worse than they were before when the ai gets caught up in its decisions.
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Does ironman not consistently save for anyone else or is it just me having awful luck? I've had to finish unifying Spain 3 times now  edit: Checked the folder and because it was a cloud save it's like it's not syncing right? Had to manually move the save file from the main documents folder into the save directory for it to work. RIP to the literal decades I've lost 
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ZombieLenin posted:So I accidentally created a second kingdom before I had primogeniture, and I immediately realized the mistake and destroyed the title. Confederate partition can create titles out of whole cloth on succession if they de jure could exist. You need (non-confederate) partition for that not to happen.
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ZombieLenin posted:So I accidentally created a second kingdom before I had primogeniture, and I immediately realized the mistake and destroyed the title. It's not a bug, confederate partition will create non-existent titles to give away upon your death, assuming you have enough land to create them. Other types of partition won't do that though.
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Please, God, I'm begging you. Smite these fuckin Vikings so I can start conquering Scotland and Wales
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Lawman 0 posted:Hard disagree with stewardship being good as a non vassal except for a quick detour into avarice for money and hooks and discounted man at arms for being a complete dreadful bastard. The administration and architecture trees very much seem like a thing you so for when you managed to snag a strong complete duchy with primogeniture or something in the hre and want to spend a lifetime pimping your heirs ride to the imperial crown. I mean this is basically it, I like to have a Stewardship focus ruler to either make tons of money to pass on or invest into building up the holdings big for later rulers to make use of. Seems like if you're going from tribal to feudal it's a good idea too because you'll need that money and need to build up for a bit because you get weakened quite a bit by the transition.
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The silver mine in Innsbruck gives +3 gold per month at the lowest upgrade level. It is just great. Is there any other really powerful special sites out there?
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Skypie posted:Please, God, I'm begging you. Smite these fuckin Vikings so I can start conquering Scotland and Wales Yeah, Ireland feels like a bit of a trap to me, at least for new players. You're the big fish in a small pond until the vikings get bored with England. I've had a lot more fun with other rulers, and after playing a viking for a while you start to see why Ireland doesn't seem like a threat at all.
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Minor issue but they should really rename the “b*rber” cultural group to “amazigh.” According to my amazigh friend the former term is actually considered a slur, at least where she’s from
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Hryme posted:The silver mine in Innsbruck gives +3 gold per month at the lowest upgrade level. It is just great. Is there any other really powerful special sites out there? Oh tons. The House of Wisdom in Baghdad is phenomenal. All Holy Sites can support a Grand Temple/Mosque/Cathedral for mad dosh as well.
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I drafted up a post trying to ask how to get multiple tier 3 heritable traits onto one person and then, when I read it, I realized it made me sound completely insane. Unless I'm just getting unlucky or doing it wrong it seems you need to set up like a 200 year long breeding project. My king seduced a number of women with different tier 3 traits and produced only a few kids with tier 1 or 2 versions of those traits. Is it better to start with 2 copies of a tier 1 trait to guarantee it passes then build up to tier 3 over generations? Also, two copies of the same trait are guaranteed to pass on but how does it work if one parent has a tier 1 and the other a tier 2 - are you guaranteed to get at least the tier 1 version on a child?
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Is Gout a permanent affliction? Edit: Also, I just got the White Stag event chain through hunting again, but just like last time it seems to just stop at some point. When I get the "It can't be long until I meet it now" choice, and the "Focused on the hunt" modifier, nothing more seems to happen. Anyone managed to finish this chain? Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Sway them, bribe them, give them vassals or counties to keep their opinions high, give your children to them as wards or if all else fails pawn them off to other vassals so they're not your problem anymore. It's fine to have vassals with the penalty, they won't do anything so long as you keep them happy one way or another. There's no reason not to always have a Sway scheme running, it's basically free opinion. You can set your chancellor to improve vassal opinion by +10 as well if you really need to. How do you give someone a vassal? How do you pawn a vassal off to another vassal? Can someone provide a basic example too please?
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Am I dense or is there no way to change the message settings the same way you could in all other paradox games? Like pause after a siege ends and stuff like that.
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KingKapalone posted:How do you give someone a vassal? How do you pawn a vassal off to another vassal? Can someone provide a basic example too please? Right click their portrait -> Grant vassal. I'm not sure if it's just de jure vassals or if you can give anyone.
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Seljuk empire is way too strong, pls nerf. Especially because every time I zoom out and see them stretching from Tobruk to Mogadishu to Minggam to the Urals, I hear Bill Wurtz in my head singing "it's the Seljuk turks."Broken Cog posted:Is Gout a permanent affliction? My physician cured mine on the third try.
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Chewbot posted:Yeah, Ireland feels like a bit of a trap to me, at least for new players. You're the big fish in a small pond until the vikings get bored with England. I've had a lot more fun with other rulers, and after playing a viking for a while you start to see why Ireland doesn't seem like a threat at all. I'd probably be ok if I'd chosen a later start date. But these fuckers are all cross-allied so it's difficult to pick off the smaller jarls that only have a couple counties. And I got hosed by a death before I made a kingdom and a bunch of territory splintered so I had to reclaim it from family. Plus Alba is part of my dynasty so those counties are out for the moment. But I don't wanna have random little English counties so I'm stuck figuring out where to look next
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:As a Diplomacy-focused queen is there a good strategy to take control of a fellow kingdom (we are both vassals in the same tribal empire?) Diplomacy there's nothing you can do to take an equal's title if they own most of the land required to hold it I believe. Usurping their Kingdom title would require holding (more?) of their de jure lands. Your best bet is to catch them when they're not looking with a Kingdom claim and pony up the 2k+ prestige and get ready to brawl.
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KingKapalone posted:How do you give someone a vassal? How do you pawn a vassal off to another vassal? Can someone provide a basic example too please? You right click on the vassal you want to give stuff to and select "grant vassal" and then choose the one you want to transfer. I only do this if I'm the direct liege of a vassal that isn't a de jure part of one of my own duchies. The rightful duke will have a -25 opinion penalty for each one of these, it'll say "Desires county of x". So transferring over these vassals can give you a pretty huge opinion boost.
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guns for tits posted:Minor issue but they should really rename the “b*rber” cultural group to “amazigh.” According to my amazigh friend the former term is actually considered a slur, at least where she’s from It literally comes from "barbarian" in Greek.
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disaster pastor posted:Seljuk empire is way too strong, pls nerf. Especially because every time I zoom out and see them stretching from Tobruk to Mogadishu to Minggam to the Urals, I hear Bill Wurtz in my head singing "it's the Seljuk turks." I hope your head includes the part just after where the byzantines scream in terror. (if anyone is confused, this is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs which is a lovely video about the history of the entire world I guess that single-handedly justifies the creation of youtube)
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