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Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Dongicus posted:

when are the breadtube people going to make their version of kickassia
It's already been made as the Quinton Reviews crossover.

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LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

sexpig by night posted:

just loving like the video and move on you loving freaks, she's a complete nutbar but she's not some dangerous force you have to 'fight' because your Internet Video Friend told you she sucks. Just go 'haha wow, what a loving loser' and move on!
it's like when shatner kept saying he didn't want to be on RLM's nonexistent podcast, and despite RLM telling people not to message the confused old man and that they hadn't told people to ask him to be on their show, weirdos kept on messaging him trying to get him to be friends with RLM

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I totally forgot that this is content worth posting in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzfeyh-ow8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2t6iP4mWvA


Also Jesse Tribble finished his House retrospective. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWdThUGn6xcAtmxBDjOUY6w

And after watching that from not watching more than maybe a dozen episodes and never in a row or intentionally I gotta say, not a fan. I much prefer my rear end in a top hat doctors to be like the Scrubs caricatures.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dyPBkJuFdU
Alpha Protocol 10 years later

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMA-RNCYAi8

I'm posting this video because I remember when it came out 7 years ago and I thought it was funny and it still only has less than 1000 views.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Augus posted:

eventually when they’re really grasping at straws they’ll make a live action Lilo and Stitch movie aimed entirely at that one Twitter person that thinks Lilo is an abuser
Wait...the like...five-year-old girl? You know what, forget I asked.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Pants Donkey posted:

Wait...the like...five-year-old girl? You know what, forget I asked.

I think it was the same twitter person who said that having sex with himbos was ableist or grooming or something because himbos have an intellectual disability.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Katt posted:

Right wingers and leftists coming together to poo poo on tankies is absolutely some sort of OP to equate extreme left and extreme right and place the reasonable middle somewhere around Tucker Carlson.


Tankies are dumb but overwhelmingly harmless but the comment section on accounts like tankie takes is a mish mash of leftists and Pepe avs.

Eh, if you spend any time in UK left-wing politics, you're going to get extremely annoyed with Trotskyites. Either they spend their whole time trying to recruit you into their terrifying rape cult, or they suddenly go hardcore right-libertarian and end up as key policy advisors to the Tories who keep showing up in the BBC to explain why asset-stripping the country's entire economy is good, actually.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Katt posted:

I saw some twitter discourse telling leftists to stop cannibalizing their own and to focus on fighting the fascists instead.


Did some high profile leftist youtube personality say the n-word again?

Reading USPOL for like 6 years has shown me this is generally the case... always. Leftists purity test the poo poo out of their allies trying to summon the Almighty Perfect into existence and leave themselves on this isolated little island where they hate everyone else and everyone else hates them because they're insufferable bores and they sit around conspiratizing that everyone else is out to get them and going "Why no 1 vote 4 us? :confused:" instead of coming together and actually properly fighting against the Literal Evil option, and more often than not, Evil wins.

And I say this as a Leftist. We suck.

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 7, 2020

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

nine-gear crow posted:

Reading USPOL for like 6 years has shown me this is generally the case... always. Leftists purity test the poo poo out of their allies trying to summon the Almighty Perfect into existence and leave themselves on this isolated little island where they hate everyone else and everyone else hates them because they're insufferable bores and they sit around conspiratizing that everyone else is out to get them and going "Why no 1 vote 4 us? :confused:" instead of coming together and actually properly fighting against the Literal Evil option, and more often than not, Evil wins.

And I say this as a Leftist. We suck.

on the other hand you have people saying "we need the horny reply guy who says the n-word, hangs out with nazis, and contributes nothing to theory or praxis in our movement, move over hysterical women and minorities"

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

CYBEReris posted:

on the other hand you have people saying "we need the horny reply guy who says the n-word, hangs out with nazis, and contributes nothing to theory or praxis in our movement, move over hysterical women and minorities"

True, but there's an almost comical lack of nuance between that position and "Hmm. This guy's been a great ally to us otherwise, but he's kind of ambivalent on Medicare For All and he didn't scream All Cops Are Bastards when we asked him to... TO THE PYRE WITH HIM!" with Leftists these days.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

"Purity tests" are just an antagonistic way to accuse someone of having moral standards they keep to.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

nine-gear crow posted:

True, but there's an almost comical lack of nuance between that position and "Hmm. This guy's been a great ally to us otherwise, but he's kind of ambivalent on Medicare For All and he didn't scream All Cops Are Bastards when we asked him to... TO THE PYRE WITH HIM!" with Leftists these days.

Eh, but I also think definitions get conflated with moral judgments. Leftism isn't a coherent thing or in-group, you have to be some form of anarchist or communist or you aren't really a leftist because there is no broader theory of leftism, just competing, conflicting, and occasionally aligning theories loosely categorized together in opposition to the capitalist status quo. A liberal sympathetic to leftism can still be an ally to some degree without being a leftist but leftists reserve the right to be skeptical of whether they're a fair-weather ally.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

In fact wrt the concept of "purity tests" I highly recommend the always excellent Citations Needed episode on it.

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-103-the-glib-left-punching-of-purity-politics-discourse

quote:

"Obama Warns Against ‘Purity Tests’ In Democratic Primary," Spectrum News reports. "Spare Me the Purity Racket," Maureen Dowd opines in The New York Times. "'Purity Tests' Divide Democrats," US News & World Report announces. "Political purity tests are for losers," bellows The Hill.

We hear it all the time: progressives, leftists, radicals — and even liberals — are told they must not engage in the siren song of "purity politics." Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, we are told. We must be pragmatic, realistic, we must lay down our ideological arms and stop pining for Nirvana when so much is on the line in November.

Evoking purity politics functions — more often than not — as a catch-all defense against any and all criticism of establishment Democrats. In 2016, Hillary Clinton partisans used it against Bernie Sanders supporters; in 2020, Bloomberg’s flacks use it against Sanders again, and even Sanders partisans use it against leftist skeptics of electoralism. Put simply, purity politics is a Get Out Of Jail Free card, a perennial lesser of two evils narrative of an inherent impossibility of anything other than incremental change.
At their core, charges of purity politics are ahistoric and anti-intellectual, pathologizing alternative theories of change that don’t require political compromise as youthful vanity. Indeed, how to balance compromise and ideals has been, for centuries, the central question of the Left, everyone from French revolutionaries to Russian socialists, Black American radicals and Indigenous struggles in North America to Third World liberation movements around the globe have struggled to answer: when do we compromise and when do we not?

But "purity politics" ignores this essential and rich question altogether, brushing aside morally fraught debates about political strategy and reducing anything short of the path of least resistance to unserious solipsism and juvenile stubbornness. 


On this episode, we discuss how demands that people drop "purity politics" only go in one direction; how moral urgency has historically been pathologized as youthful narcissism; and how our jaded, broken media elites routinely conflate preemptive defeatism with political savvy.

Our guest is attorney and writer Malaika Jabali.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

CYBEReris posted:

Eh, but I also think definitions get conflated with moral judgments. Leftism isn't a coherent thing or in-group, you have to be some form of anarchist or communist or you aren't really a leftist because there is no broader theory of leftism, just competing, conflicting, and occasionally aligning theories loosely categorized together in opposition to the capitalist status quo. A liberal sympathetic to leftism can still be an ally to some degree without being a leftist but leftists reserve the right to be skeptical of whether they're a fair-weather ally.

I mean, especially since recently there have been some pretty horrible cases of people turning on their supposed principles. I also used to read USPOL, but I had to stop when people started accusing Tara Reade of being a Russian psyop.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


nine-gear crow posted:

Reading USPOL for like 6 years has shown me this is generally the case... always. Leftists purity test the poo poo out of their allies trying to summon the Almighty Perfect into existence and leave themselves on this isolated little island where they hate everyone else and everyone else hates them because they're insufferable bores and they sit around conspiratizing that everyone else is out to get them and going "Why no 1 vote 4 us? :confused:" instead of coming together and actually properly fighting against the Literal Evil option, and more often than not, Evil wins.

And I say this as a Leftist. We suck.

Nah.

Sanders wouldn't pass a purity test he was the bare minimum. Whining about "purity tests" is what centrists do to defend their trash candidates or positions.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

CYBEReris posted:

Eh, but I also think definitions get conflated with moral judgments. Leftism isn't a coherent thing or in-group, you have to be some form of anarchist or communist or you aren't really a leftist because there is no broader theory of leftism, just competing, conflicting, and occasionally aligning theories loosely categorized together in opposition to the capitalist status quo. A liberal sympathetic to leftism can still be an ally to some degree without being a leftist but leftists reserve the right to be skeptical of whether they're a fair-weather ally.

It's why I kind of find "Leftist" to be a really bad term. The people who inhabit that space aren't a monolith. I'd label myself as an anarchist and I find my values and worldview tend to overlap very little with Leninists and I find myself disagreeing with some orthodox marxists views. But all are under the umbrella of Leftism.

For real, Anarchists and MLs yelling at each other will be a forever thing because one group wants to dismantle hierarchical power structures while the other wants to centralize those power structures. The very online parts of both can be annoying but I'd sooner take the side of the anarchists over the MLs, not because I share their values, but mainly because anarchists have historical evidence of MLs putting them up against the wall. It's on the Leninists to prove that "leftist unity" doesn't mean "let's team up to do this then when it's all over we'll put you to death if you don't immediately submit to the rule of the party".

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Pants Donkey posted:

Wait...the like...five-year-old girl? You know what, forget I asked.

It boiled down to the two people who made it blow up thought that no child could have flaws because that 'set a bad example.'

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Dawgstar posted:

It boiled down to the two people who made it blow up thought that no child could have flaws because that 'set a bad example.'

That person never at the least worked with kids.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Srice posted:

"Purity tests" are just an antagonistic way to accuse someone of having moral standards they keep to.

It's like this ridiculous hyperbole: Someone goes "I don't feel comfortable voting for the rapelord as president, even if I could get past his love of rape - I don't think any of his policies are good for the people." And a bunch of people blink into existence and the sirens go off; "Oh my god, stop with the purity tests already! It doesn't matter that he can only achieve an erection when black people are wrongfully arrested and openly admits he wants everyone to get the plague and die: if you don't vote for him then you're responsible for everything Mega Hitler does when Mega Hitler gets into office because if you don't vote for him then you're clearly just a Mega Hitler supporter! Stop Doomposting already and go jerk off with the other Mega Hitler supporters! gently caress off!"

I don't actually see that many people proposing arbitrary purity tests. There's just a lot of people accusing them of it when they see people who feel justified in not supporting certain politicians over their policies and acts in regards to topics like abuse, bigotry, violence and crime. People don't hold out for perfect they just want someone who's actually going to do something, not someone who's stated goal is gently caress everyone else, I'm comfortable.

Dawgstar posted:

It boiled down to the two people who made it blow up thought that no child could have flaws because that 'set a bad example.'

If it's the same person I'm thinking of, it also involved some hilariously stereotypical and racist ideals of what was and wasn't Hawaiian.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Dawgstar posted:

It boiled down to the two people who made it blow up thought that no child could have flaws because that 'set a bad example.'

The two of them were also reactionaries who defended the whole putting-children-in-cages thing in ICE detention facilities and one insisted Lilo and Stitch was an inaccurate portrayal of 1970s Hawaii because it didn't properly portray native Hawaiian punching white kids.


(Lilo and Stitch is not set in the1970s.)

End boss Of SGaG*
Aug 9, 2000
I REPORT EVERY POST I READ!
Purity test accusations literally only get thrown around to defend irredeemable trash candidates. If a candidate is 1 inch left of center, all the same people are happy to go along with obvious bullshit smears.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
i feel like there's kinda two different conversations that are being kludged together with the purity test thing

one is about whether we should accept political candidates who don't 100% share our views or morals, or have done hosed up poo poo, just because they're not literal Nazis or Skeletor or whatever

the other is about whether we should hold prominent leftists, outside of electoral politics, to a perfect standard, and treat any mistake or bad opinion out of them as a sign that they were really Nazis wearing Scooby-Doo-esque leftist masks all along

despite the same language being used in both cases, these are really not the same situation

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

i feel like there's kinda two different conversations that are being kludged together with the purity test thing

one is about whether we should accept political candidates who don't 100% share our views or morals, or have done hosed up poo poo, just because they're not literal Nazis or Skeletor or whatever

the other is about whether we should hold prominent leftists, outside of electoral politics, to a perfect standard, and treat any mistake or bad opinion out of them as a sign that they were really Nazis wearing Scooby-Doo-esque leftist masks all along

despite the same language being used in both cases, these are really not the same situation

Fair enough, but they have similar root causes. Let's say a prominent public leftist who, by dint of their platform and voice, is given a lot of weight in the sphere does something generally agreed on as "not great". Maybe they platform someone lovely, or they say something awful or even get caught being a big ol' racist. Is it a purity test to say you don't want this person automatically getting to be as powerful a voice as they are? What about when they don't change their behavior and it happens again, and again? At what point does it stop just being a purity test and an argument about people feeling like their community is choosing someone who harms them over the people being harmed?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/jacksonpublick/status/1303102212193705985

i assume this news will blow up soon and good folks will be making/retrospectives videos about it. this loving sucks. they had one last season and it was one of my favorite shows that stayed pretty good all the way through. plus its a better subject than what does and doesn't count as purity testing.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I mean at the moment people are shouting PURITY TEST to shame people for not being enthusiastic to vote for Biden a senile architect of our current garbage system, because he passes the bare minimum of not being literally Hitler. So it's completely understandable when someone assumes you're actually complaining about any principles at all.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I was just thinking about binging Venture Bros again too. This is some crap news.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

Pants Donkey posted:

Wait...the like...five-year-old girl? You know what, forget I asked.

Man, this literal child is all take and no give.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Jimbot posted:

I was just thinking about binging Venture Bros again too. This is some crap news.

yeah. like i could see it getting picked up again but i think they had like 1 season left and that was it. like this sucks rear end but i am glad its not gonna end up like the simpsons and never die.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Pants Donkey posted:

Wait...the like...five-year-old girl? You know what, forget I asked.

apparently they get mad that lilo has "bad" reactions to poo poo in her life even though like her parents are dead and her sister is basicaly trying to keep poo poo from falling apart plus the alien poo poo.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/jacksonpublick/status/1303102212193705985

i assume this news will blow up soon and good folks will be making/retrospectives videos about it. this loving sucks. they had one last season and it was one of my favorite shows that stayed pretty good all the way through. plus its a better subject than what does and doesn't count as purity testing.

I wonder if it got canceled for the usual reasons, or if it's due to all the weird shifting stuff at Turner as they prepare to move so much of their stuff to streaming. It sucks, since while I think the premise was starting to wear a little thin they could have really used one more season and they definitely had it in them.

It's also really weird to see the Venture Brothers get canceled right as the Harley Quinn show that's kind of ripping them off is on a running start.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
This loving sucks hard for Venture Bros. Arguably the show had been dodging being taken around back by the network thanks to its years long production cycles, but it absolutely blows that they couldn't even get one last season to wrap up the major loving revelations of the penultimate season.

Hopefully they can get it crowdfunded or a streaming service will pick it up. Also hopefully AS won't treat them like Metalocalypse and gently caress everything over out of seeming spite.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/jacksonpublick/status/1303102212193705985

i assume this news will blow up soon and good folks will be making/retrospectives videos about it. this loving sucks. they had one last season and it was one of my favorite shows that stayed pretty good all the way through. plus its a better subject than what does and doesn't count as purity testing.

It was one of the best and most consistent shows on television, just a lovingly crafted little gem that its creators poured all their energy and talent into.

If I were to do a retrospective, I’d probably describe it as exemplifying everything good about the art of generation x, which is not a good generation overall but which had philosophical commitments that created some wonderful art.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
A while ago people were wondering what Chip and Ironicus were up to these days, and they just released the first videos for their FF7R let's play.

The playlist, if anyone's interested
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrekaHLD2rhb34UzARIDSw4BzP9dz-tjF

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I wonder if it got canceled for the usual reasons, or if it's due to all the weird shifting stuff at Turner as they prepare to move so much of their stuff to streaming. It sucks, since while I think the premise was starting to wear a little thin they could have really used one more season and they definitely had it in them.

It's also really weird to see the Venture Brothers get canceled right as the Harley Quinn show that's kind of ripping them off is on a running start.

yeah HQ is very much venture bros light. not a bad show by any means and honestly alot better than i thought it would be but venture bros does it better because its mostly original characters/IP.


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

It was one of the best and most consistent shows on television, just a lovingly crafted little gem that its creators poured all their energy and talent into.

If I were to do a retrospective, I’d probably describe it as exemplifying everything good about the art of generation x, which is not a good generation overall but which had philosophical commitments that created some wonderful art.

yeah. its show that mixed weird cynical humor with some good and wholesome moments and messaging. alot of the good animated shows do that now. i still love that it started off as a funny johnny bravo parody and than just turned into this really interesting world and character moments. it sorta like rick and morty in that respect but i still dont think rick and morty has found its pacing/tone fully yet as much as i like it.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
I've seen it mentioned before that they were pretty much doing Bojack stuff way before Bojack.

Also Twitter pointed out this cursed fact

https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1303108783661490176

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I've seen it mentioned before that they were pretty much doing Bojack stuff way before Bojack.

Also Twitter pointed out this cursed fact

https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1303108783661490176

i liked it better than bojack but thats just me. also robot chicken can SOMETIMES be funny but its mostly meh at best.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I've seen it mentioned before that they were pretty much doing Bojack stuff way before Bojack.

Also Twitter pointed out this cursed fact

https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1303108783661490176

At least it wasn’t Johnny Test.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Ouch, that's rough.

I haven't watched Venture Bros in... gently caress, maybe over a decade? I remember it being funny as hell though, the perfect evolution of the Williams Street stuff in that they finally had their own animation which let them branch out in the kind of stories they could tell, but retaining that tongue and cheek riffing on Hanna-Barbera spirit. I didn't realize it kept running for so long, I might sit down and binge it next weekend.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

There are only seven seasons. They were the Beastie Boys of adult swim cartoons.

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