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Hirez
Feb 3, 2003

Weber scored 49 points?

:allears: :allears: :allears:
went to go watch The Boys on Prime, and saw it's being released weekly (3 eps only so far - but thats for another thread :argh: ) so instead watched The Mercenary

After having just watched Debt Collector 2, I wasn't really feeling Louis Mandylor as a "bad-rear end", tough, yes, but after this - man, he plays a great bad-rear end mother fucker.

It has everything an action movie should have, including having a priest declare you a weapon of god and go loving kill everyone and a training montage. It has some plot holes to keep it entertaining, and some fights just aren't long enough with some of the main bad guys, but there are a lot of them so to be expected, you still get like a 20 minute "climax zone" leading up to the end. 3.5/5

Also directed by Jesse V. Johnson, who now I'm a huge fan of. It's really cool that all these Stunt guys turned out to be amazing directors, seems to get to know a lot about the shooting the process

B-Rock452 posted:


Made a list for what to watch each night after I get the kids down, no deep dives but wanted to represent all my favorite stars and these are all movies I love

The Raid 2 (I have seen the original like ten times, this one only once

I mean I'm just going to assume you've seen Dredd but have to point of the obvious.

There's also The Night Comes for Us and Headshot with Iko Uwais if you wanna go all out crazy - highly recommend the former if you're in that mood - from the same producers/directors/whatever of the raid films if I remember right.

I would also recommend the Keanu directed/starring: The Man of Tai Chi. It's got a cool 80's/90's feel to it. It's got some amazing fight scenes throughout and the story is good enough. Tiger Chen is lethal

Hirez fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 4, 2020

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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Avengement was really good

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Hirez posted:

I would also recommend the Keanu directed/starring: The Man of Tai Chi. It's got a cool 80's/90's feel to it. It's got some amazing fight scenes throughout and the story is good enough. Tiger Chen is lethal

We coincidentally watched this for the first time a couple of days ago and both liked it a lot. Just an all around damned solid flick and the fights are excellent.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.
Keep an eye out for Tiger Chen early on in John Wick 3. I personally thought he could have had a bigger role but at least he got a memorable moment.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Hirez posted:

went to go watch The Boys on Prime, and saw it's being released weekly (3 eps only so far - but thats for another thread :argh: ) so instead watched The Mercenary

After having just watched Debt Collector 2, I wasn't really feeling Louis Mandylor as a "bad-rear end", tough, yes, but after this - man, he plays a great bad-rear end mother fucker.

It has everything an action movie should have, including having a priest declare you a weapon of god and go loving kill everyone and a training montage. It has some plot holes to keep it entertaining, and some fights just aren't long enough with some of the main bad guys, but there are a lot of them so to be expected, you still get like a 20 minute "climax zone" leading up to the end. 3.5/5

Also directed by Jesse V. Johnson, who now I'm a huge fan of. It's really cool that all these Stunt guys turned out to be amazing directors, seems to get to know a lot about the shooting the process


I mean I'm just going to assume you've seen Dredd but have to point of the obvious.

There's also The Night Comes for Us and Headshot with Iko Uwais if you wanna go all out crazy - highly recommend the former if you're in that mood - from the same producers/directors/whatever of the raid films if I remember right.

I would also recommend the Keanu directed/starring: The Man of Tai Chi. It's got a cool 80's/90's feel to it. It's got some amazing fight scenes throughout and the story is good enough. Tiger Chen is lethal

I love Dredd, I managed to see it opening night at an imax theater. I like headshot a little better than The Night Comes for Us, I think the gore is a little too much but it still has some amazing fight scenes. Watched Kiss of the Dragon for the first time in like 15 years last night, good action but pretty misogynistic which made sense when I saw Luc Besson wrote it.

If you haven't yet, check out Warrior on Cinemax. I can't figure out how Cinemax tapped directly into my brain because combining the producer of Banshee, director of Fast 5 and the writings of Bruce Lee is pretty my my dream action fantasy.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo
I just noticed that Isaac Florentine directed a movie in 2017 called Acts of Vengeance starring Antonio Banderas and Karl Urban.

Is it any good? I'm always up for Karl Urban doing cool things.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
Banderas made a couple of decent direct to video action movies over the last couple of years. That Florentine movie and one called Security were both decent.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
l feel like Adkins is a pretty crucial ingredient to a Florentine action movie though. I don't know that a regular actor is going to be able to make the action good enough for me to want to spend my time on watching it.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Hirez posted:

Who are the other big "straight to dvd" action stars that have "good" movies now that I've pretty much run through the Adkins catalog. Michael Jai White/Mario Van Peebles (still maybe?) are ones I can think of that I haven't seen any movies they lead. Any recommendations?

For Michael Jai White you must see Black Dynamite. Both the film and the animated series they made.

brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!
Acts of Vengeance was more of a mystery/suspense than an actioner, I thought it was pretty mediocre

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
I can't tell when it got added, but it does look like Debt Collectors is on Netflix as "The Debt Collector 2"

Popelmon
Jan 24, 2010

wow
so spin
Next Adkins episode has Dolph Lundgren!!!

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit
That's the spirit, soldier!

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

MrBling posted:

I just noticed that Isaac Florentine directed a movie in 2017 called Acts of Vengeance starring Antonio Banderas and Karl Urban.

Is it any good? I'm always up for Karl Urban doing cool things.

It's a very long build up for like two action scenes. They're actually pretty good and Banderas really put the work in, especially impressive at his age. Whether that's worth your time is very much down to you.


TheOmegaWalrus posted:

That's the spirit, soldier!

That little fight scene between them is one of my absolute favourites. I really wish it'd been longer. Lundgren is clearly having the time of his life and more of the movie should have been him yelling slogans at soldiers played by boxers and mma fighters.

Man, Hyam's two Universal Soldier movies have got to be the two most unlikely good movies ever. They're not just good actioners, but actually really well made commentaries on the action genre. And they're the 5th and 6th direct to video entries in a series that didn't even produce an especially good original film and only existed to put Van Damme and Lundgren in the one movie.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.
Man, I kinda want to see Hyams make a Hellraiser sequel.

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

Speaking of Dolph lundgren, the "have we gone through this all before?"speech, at the end of universal soldier regeneration shows that the man has got some pretty decent acting chops. I've really come to appreciate him a lot more, and I'm looking forward to the podcast with Adkins.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Yea with Lundgren you get the feeling that we really only scratched the surface of what his career could've been. He had a few high profile failures that kinda cut off his opportunities but also he's always been more than just an actor so he typically has other stuff going on in his life. But I think he very easily could've been on the same level as a Stallone if a few situations break differently for him.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

null_pointer posted:

Speaking of Dolph lundgren, the "have we gone through this all before?"speech, at the end of universal soldier regeneration shows that the man has got some pretty decent acting chops. I've really come to appreciate him a lot more, and I'm looking forward to the podcast with Adkins.

He's really good in Creed 2. Both he and stallone do a lot of good work in that movie but I think it gets overlooked cause it's another rocky movie.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:

I saw the first Universal Soldier forever ago and have completely forgotten everything about it. I've seen the last two and they were fantastic. Does the first hold up at all and are the sequels any good or not? I'm feeling the need to watch some retro stuff.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
The first Universal Soldier is a pretty standard 80s/90s action flick, I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it, but it is enjoyable if you like that kind of thing. The Hyams Universal Soldiers are so different in quality it is a miracle. The other earlier sequels are complete garbage.

Speaking of Lundgren, one of my favorites which hasn't been mentioned is Command Performance, which is Die Hard at a rock concert (that is what it says on the cover), with a middle aged Dolph playing a drummer in a lovely metal band. It's not a great movie, but it is good, and will probably satisfy anyone with nostalgia for 80s movies with corny quips. The best line is "Dying is easy, Rock and Roll is hard."

also he kills a guy with an electric guitar. Not by hitting him with it, by playing it loud. Rock and roll.

dokmo fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 7, 2020

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
And you go in pieces, rear end in a top hat

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
Continuing with daily 2020 action movies until I'm caught up, here's four more.

Superman: Red Son (2020) - 1.5/5
"Even Superman isn't powerful enough to make socialism work" is exactly the kind of dogshit idea you'd expect to get greenlit in 2020 and it was exactly what I was not interested in seeing.

Plus every comic story is about comic book references fighting, so there were a lot of reminders in here of why my interest in this kind of thing has fallen off sharply in recent years.

Force of Nature (2020) - 2.5/5
A medium-budget Die Hard in a Puerto Rico apartment complex during a hurricane that provides above-average entertainment value. The plot of the movie is completely insane but it doesn't matter much because it's a means to provide a bunch of well-written entertaining scenes of the different characters interacting. Action is somewhat sparse but fairly well done. Emile Hirsch is very good and Mel Gibson has still got it.

As far as unheralded action releases go, I think I can put this down as an overlooked gem far better than most of its 2020 contemporaries.

Project Power (2020) - 2/5
Too long and the plot is a mess. Not offensively bad or unwatchable, but totally forgettable. Doesn't deliver enough action if it's asking you to sit for two hours watching it, especially because a lot of the action happens in dark or obscured sequences. Overall, I'm unable to figure out what the goal here was.

Greyhound (2020) - 3.5/5
this movie made me cry so im a Dad now. i dont make the rules

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit
I gave Universal Solider: Regeneration a spin last night and was thrilled and chilled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XQtz3hdzo

From this forum I heard that the most recent Universal Solider (Day of Reckoning) was a confirmed banger so I took a chance and was floored by the magic of Scott Adkins. Despite the previous entry having the same director, I wrote it off for years while I pretended to live my life. Last night changed all of that.

The story is the same, America participated in some light necromancy and spawned a race of super-solider. They are perfect weapons, totally loyal and impervious to most damage.

Enter Andrei Arlovski, a UFC proven fighter. I was a fan of the fighter before he entered the big screen and the man is an absolute savage. Hiring real fighters to do their own stunts is the most natural move in the world, what happened with Ronda Rousey is an isolated case that shouldn't spoil the barrel. Every second Arlovski is on the screen there was a big stupid grin of my face.

While not as technically impressive as The Raid, Regeneration takes copious notes from the series and we are treated with some delicious, spectacular long takes with steady-cam action. The introduction car-heist is something taken straight from a Nolan film, the action slaps and we are essentially treated to an adult version of G.I. Joe with all the straight-faced absurdity that it entails.

For being a very entertaining sleeper hit in a sea of mediocrity, I award US: Regeneration the coveted Walrus Certified Good Time.

TheOmegaWalrus fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Sep 8, 2020

Hirez
Feb 3, 2003

Weber scored 49 points?

:allears: :allears: :allears:

B-Rock452 posted:

If you haven't yet, check out Warrior on Cinemax. I can't figure out how Cinemax tapped directly into my brain because combining the producer of Banshee, director of Fast 5 and the writings of Bruce Lee is pretty my my dream action fantasy.

oh hell yes, Warrior is amazing and everyone should check it out. Season 2 starts Oct 2nd.

I also really really really liked Wu Assassins - maybe it's because I'm the biggest Iko Uwais mark - but that show kicked so much rear end I have to re-watch it just to remember how good it is. It was just announced that there won't be a season 2 BUT they're turning it into a movie series

quote:

"I can't be a part of it because I'm committed to another series," he said. "But I think that's what they're going to do. They're going to do two movies of the week where Iko [Uwais]'s character moves from Thailand and South Africa. But COVID hit.

"I think they were going to shoot in Thailand for one movie, and then shoot in South Africa for the other."

:hellyeah:

Hirez fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Sep 8, 2020

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

Adkins' Art of Action with Dolph Lundgren is up, and I can't say it's particularly great.

The one with Cynthia Rothrock was excellent -- she has so much charm and enthusiasm and she's eager to enhance the fight scene commentary with her memory of the events leading up to and following, so you really feel like she's bringing something to the viewing of the movie (plus she hits like a motherfucker in her early Hong Kong days).

With Dolph, though, he's just so detached and laconic and really isn't a good storyteller, so he ends up just kind of repeating what Adkins is saying, with only minor variations. I wanted him to get really excited during some of the viewings, but even during the US:R and US:DOR segments, he's pretty much checked out.

Too bad. I really think Dolph in his movies is a charismatic slab of beef, who's really trying to do something with the role; Dolph in real life seems to be a quiet dude who isn't really good at telling stories. Sad to hear about his abusive Dad, though :(

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


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TheOmegaWalrus posted:


For being a very entertaining sleeper hit in a sea of mediocrity, I award US: Regeneration the coveted Walrus Certified Good Time.

Now watch US: Day of Reckoning for perhaps the most :catstare: horror/action movie you'll ever see.

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005

married but discreet posted:

Now watch US: Day of Reckoning for perhaps the most :catstare: horror/action movie you'll ever see.
Based on the first paragraph I think omega already saw and liked it. (Which is the correct response!)

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Yea I enjoyed Dolf and Scott shooting the poo poo but it wasn't as informative as some of the other episodes. I guess Dolf just doesn't quite have that extensive martial arts film resume that a lot of the other guests have, so there's less to talk about.

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit
Yeah US: Day of Reckoning slaps so hard it's in danger of splitting the atom.

The combination of competently framed action, MMA fighters, a great director topped with Adkins sprinkles you have :kiss:

midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.
HOLYYYYYYYYYYYY SHITTTTTTTTTTTT

I just watched "Shoot Em Up". Incredible. Tongue in cheek set pieces, ridiculous gun-play, dumb as hell one-liners. Action trash fans, check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV-nIlZ3XeE

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender

fenix down posted:

Based on the first paragraph I think omega already saw and liked it. (Which is the correct response!)

Oh yeah, clearly my memory lasts only a couple sentences. Which means I can rewatch the Hyam's Universal Soldiers.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

midge posted:

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYY SHITTTTTTTTTTTT

I just watched "Shoot Em Up". Incredible. Tongue in cheek set pieces, ridiculous gun-play, dumb as hell one-liners. Action trash fans, check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV-nIlZ3XeE

That was a cool movie with a godawful choice for a lead.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
I really disliked it. It tried to be Crank but was just poo poo all around

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Snowman_McK posted:

That was a cool movie with a godawful choice for a lead.

Clive Owen made so many weird choices. SeU with Jason Statham would have been much better. Have people seen the BMW short films from the early 00s? He was the lead in all of those and they're probably the best things he's done (I haven't seen The Knick but I hear he's good in it, it's just not my genre).

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

jojoinnit posted:

Clive Owen made so many weird choices. SeU with Jason Statham would have been much better. Have people seen the BMW short films from the early 00s? He was the lead in all of those and they're probably the best things he's done (I haven't seen The Knick but I hear he's good in it, it's just not my genre).

Statham, Cage or Johnny Lee Miller would have all done a good job.

midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.

Zzulu posted:

I really disliked it. It tried to be Crank but was just poo poo all around

Not sure I agree with it trying to be Crank. It previewed the same month Crank came out. I guess there was just something in the water.

Statham is clearly the better action star, but Owen does a fair job of playing a trigger man. While Crank is better, I feel like Shoot Em Up is more watchable than Crank 2. Crank 2 leans too far into straight up gross out poo poo and doesn't really have anything new to offer over 1.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Zzulu posted:

I really disliked it. It tried to be Crank but was just poo poo all around

As mentioned I don't think it was going for a Crank vibe. More like both those movies were going for something like The Big Hit.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
what's interesting about shoot em up is that all the action is shot incredibly fast, but all the fight scenes are easily comprehensible—much more so than virtually any hollywood action movie from that era. someone in the production of that movie knew what they were doing.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
rewatched the final master last night, which has maybe the lowest key badass fight scenes ever shot. these kind of affectless performances are really strange (to me) to see in action scenes. but you can't argue with the fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH8sRpoyYD0

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midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.

dokmo posted:

what's interesting about shoot em up is that all the action is shot incredibly fast, but all the fight scenes are easily comprehensible—much more so than virtually any hollywood action movie from that era. someone in the production of that movie knew what they were doing.

Also true. The geography sometimes gets a little lost, but the camerawork isn't nauseating. I find it actually takes a little time to get into how Crank, et al, are shot. That shaky, almost handicam footage.

I also think they have a bit of fun with the "baby" in SeU. At many points in the movie, it's clearly a doll, to the point were you can just start assuming it's a doll the entire time....then it is!

I honestly don't know what an action fan could dislike about it other than Owen, and god knows, we've given plenty of bland actors a pass in this genre. It''s rides a fun line of self-satire/awareness the whole way through and was clearly made with gun porn in mind...although, claiming a Desert Eagle is a six shooter had me confused.

midge fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Sep 10, 2020

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