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This Ireland game just got real weird. They have 20x the troops I do
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Holy crap, in the middle of a massive war I've been running around spending all kinds of currency to track down a serial killer who slaughtered my 2nd son and wife. Eventually I finally find him after like 6 killings and it turns out to be my blackguard (legitimized) bastard heir. I literally exclaimed "WHAT??" out loud. At least I didn't give him any titles.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:48
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Quorum posted:Putting the novelty fuzzy handcuffs to good use I see I released her immediately and actually came out ahead. I mean, she was already 100+ opinion, but apparently I get an extra bonus for "releasing" her. NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:This Ireland game just got real weird. Let me guess, you participated in a crusade and some relative of yours/or theirs got Jerusalem, then some people died and the king of Jerusalem inherited a county in ireland? I ask this because I made some rando nephew of mine the benefactor during a crusade and he was made king of Jerusalem. Also, is there any way to get family members that I want to murder or disinherit to come home from far away courts? It seems weird that I couldn't just disinherit them no matter where they are, but all actions are disabled if they're not in a certain distance.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:55
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What happens with confederate partition if you're catholic and only have daughters? I have six of them. I can't give them titles while alive so I sure hope all of mine don't split six random ways if I die.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:12
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The game is super fun, and the quality of life stuff is just so much improvement over CK2. That said, am I crazy, or is the game a lot easier that CK2? I started as Tuscany in 1066 and after the first 100 years or so, faced no real opposition, internally or externally. I reformed Rome, mended the schism, bred a superhuman, etc. I do have a few hundred hours in CK2, and somewhere over 1,000 in EU4. Still, I don’t consider myself anything more than “ok” at the games. Did I get lucky or pick a really easy start?
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Sep 10, 2020 06:35
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The lifestyle trees give you really powerful bonuses for one thing.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:43
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the lifestyles are fun but the benefits should all be nerfed by like 35% or something imho. getting hooks and plotting should also be more difficult by about the same proportion.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:45
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ultrachrist posted:What happens with confederate partition if you're catholic and only have daughters? I have six of them. I can't give them titles while alive so I sure hope all of mine don't split six random ways if I die. You can see exactly what will happen by going to the realm screen and clicking on the succession tab.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:48
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You can see exactly what will happen by going to the realm screen and clicking on the succession tab. OK, to answer my question -- titles split across the six girls. Total bummer I can't arrange them properly before I die. seventh time's a charm! Birthed a son. Also got a bonus for mothering so many kids. ultrachrist fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 06:52
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Really, how much gold should I have saved up for feudalization and how should I invest the discretionary portion of it
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Sep 10, 2020 06:52
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I think part of it is that they moved to meters instead of having % based events. So now you will always get that claim in x time, you will always progress your plot at a rate you can see and know. Instead in CK2 there is a lot more uncertainty to what happens. Also in regards to plots/hooks/etc, it seems to me waaaay too easy to do plots by yourself. In CK2 they ended up adding a minimum number of agents and in general your intrigue alone was rarely enough, but in CK3 that's just not the case, you don't need anyone's help regardless of what nefarious scheme you are doing, and if you are a master intrigue character you are literally Solid Snake. So needing to have agents again could help control things. Warfare wise seems mostly the same, aside from some wonkiness with regards to rebellions and their massive hordes of knights, but I have noticed it's ridiculously likely to capture the ruler now when you siege down their capital if they aren't commanding armies. So that can make wars end lightning fast, but this does apply to you too so I guess it's...fair? 
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Sep 10, 2020 06:55
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Is it me or does vassal contribution to taxes and levies feel so low that the real play isn't picking duchies with the most counties, but rather picking counties with the most holding slots? I have a 5-slot county in the form of Anjou, and once it's built up that's basically three counties worth of tax and levy considering mayors and priests barely give anything to me and are pretty much there just for development/piety bonuses.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:59
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Something I've not seen mentioned is how good getting a strong hook on the Pope is. You can literally get a free claim of any size every 5 years no matter how big the malus. Also, you can just make one up with the intrigue tree...comically strong.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:00
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Reminder to always bump down adultery to at least "Shunned" when reforming your faith so you don't need to choose between losing devotion or losing a bunch of relations with vassals every time some horndog gets his groove on and their wife demands you imprison them.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:08
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Playthrough idea: play as a character with a faith that's tolerant of homosexuality. Change the settings governing sexuality so that most characters are gay. Watch the Abrahamaics tear themselves apart from a distance.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:16
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The novgorod 867 start is really great. Helmsomething, your ruler starts out as "the troublemaker" with a shitload of points in martial , you can form a Novgorod kingdom right away to get Scandinavian Elective so you don't have to worry about succession bullshit and there's plenty of small realms around for you to swallow up. You can go in literally any direction--push west and rush medieval, go east into the Tatars or south into the Poles, or keep your same culture and go north into Finland. The normal off culture and religion penalties are lessened by your religion. Youve got the biggest hog in your region by far so its kind of easy mode but that's just what I needed for this game. Not having to worry about who's going to inherit what and also getting the wardec advantages of Tribal makes the game feel really relaxed.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:18
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Really, how much gold should I have saved up for feudalization and how should I invest the discretionary portion of it Depends on how big you are and if you just own completely tribal land. If you're an emperor and all of your land is tribal, north of 40,000g imo. Since your vassals won't build improvements you'll need to jump start them, and build out your entire duchy, and have mercenary money to deal with external threats until you're rebuilt. As to how you spend it, focus on buildings that provide gold until your economy matches your pre-feudal economy, then get buildings that provide troops. Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 07:21
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Magyars are a really fun start. For some reason Carpathia is a teeny tiny empire that's ridiculously easy to form, so you can quickly do so and now you are safe from the worst parts of Partition, since your invasion gets you most of Hungary as is. Though you can only go Hungarian culture if you become a Christian. And hey with your first few strong martial leaders you can even beat up the Romans if you get just a tiny bit lucky!
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Sep 10, 2020 07:23
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Had an abduction scheme about to pop on a dude and forgot about it, wardecced the same guy with a claim on his poo poo. War starts, the abduction pops up, I click it, 100% warscore before even raising my armies lol
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Sep 10, 2020 07:24
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That's the current cheese meta. Fabricate a hook on the spymaster, abduct the ruler, right before it triggers declare a war
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Sep 10, 2020 07:26
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Intrigue is probably going to get some changes across the board. With dread, hook fabrication and abduction schemes you can basically do whatever you want, and there isn't really much anyone can do to stop you. Edit: Bleh, getting dragged into a crusade against England because one of your vassals conquered a single county bordering Scotland is the worst.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:28
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Weirdly I only just ran into succession weirdness. Have been running a Scandinavian Elective kingdom title as my primary title, which always allowed me to pick who my primary heir was going to be, and then said heir would inherit my primary duchy along with all the counties in it, so long as I had landed the rest of my sons (and sometimes even without doing that). But now that I want to pass the realm onto the son I had with my second wife and it won't work at all, and it's insisting on dividing all my counties up. It's also saying my various sons are going to inherit a bunch of kingdom titles that don't exist (I do not have confederate partition).  Also Herculean is a great trait but it'd be fun to play as someone who wasn't pushing 60 again.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:43
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:47
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Frida Call Me posted:Depends on how big you are and if you just own completely tribal land. If you're an emperor and all of your land is tribal, north of 40,000g imo. Since your vassals won't build improvements you'll need to jump start them, and build out your entire duchy, and have mercenary money to deal with external threats until you're rebuilt.   I am also legit unhappy with the holding situation in my primary kingdom title too, tbh, my capital duchy's counties are split between me and two other kingdoms, and two of my duke-level vassals have counties in other kingdoms which is making those other kings mad lol CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 08:01
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:
Well you'll have plenty of time to handle internals while you're saving up. I tried to feudalize the Wendish Empire with 20,000g and I ran out of money.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:11
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The decisions to unite the slavs are pretty great, you get to distribute your kingdom titles if you're an emperor and you gain two innovations. Unite western slavs is pretty easy a tribe starting in lower silesia once you get rolling. Plus it sets you to absolute crown authority even if you don't have the innovations. As long as you don't surrender to a liberty faction you have full leverage over your vassals.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:23
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After my last attempt at a quick Scandinavia with Fairhair taught me some stuff, I tried to do it quicker this time. 33 years. I could have done it about 5 years earlier but I was waiting on reforming my religion to pursuit of power to save my gold. What do I do with 10k prestige.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:24
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I tried starting as the Sami in 867 but they only have 2 unlocked techs of the 19 required to move to feudal so that seems pretty hopeless.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:25
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:After my last attempt at a quick Scandinavia with Fairhair taught me some stuff, I tried to do it quicker this time. 33 years. I could have done it about 5 years earlier but I was waiting on pursuit of power to save my gold. What do I do with 10k prestige. Spend them on CB's to conquer a bunch of nearby kingdoms and grant them to your dynasty and make them independent, so you get a bunch of extra renown gain.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:25
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Is there a benefit to landing your heir? I find myself in the position of having holdings in excess of my limit occasionally when my heir isn't as good of a steward as I'd hoped, and so have to pass the extras out to minor nobles. If I get more domain limit, then I scheme to get that poo poo back. With that in mind, what if I gave these extra holdings to my heir instead? Will that, for the lack of a better word, "activate" them? Since they'll actually have land and an income, and therefore be actually able to do stuff. toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 08:31
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Ok, so if a faction succeeds in putting you on the throne of a realm, they all get a hook on you. Even if you were not even aware the faction existed, or what they were trying to do. Thanks for the kingdom of Sweden, guys, but you could have kept me updated.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:39
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Broken Cog posted:Ok, so if a faction succeeds in putting you on the throne of a realm, they all get a hook on you. Even if you were not even aware the faction existed, or what they were trying to do. This has historical precedent. The revolution of 1830 practically threw the Duke d'Orleans on the throne before asking him lol
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Sep 10, 2020 08:43
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 This is a fun little title history. Queen installed by faction demand, abdicates (not sure what causes abdication, usually it's banishment but I'm her liege and it wasn't me), then all her vassals apparently decided that her replacement sucks and reinstall her by faction demand. They love her so much they won't let her quit.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:57
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My home city of Aachen is a nice starting County in 867. The county has a special building, the Palace of Aachen. Right next door is Cologne, where you can build the Cologne Cathedral. You are a fresh 18 year old, owning two counties ready to take over your neighbours and form the duchy of Jülich very fast. Early game was a bit rought, when the bigger neighbours of my overlord Lotharingia ran all over our territory. I killed five french kings in a row, somehow things got quieter after that. It's really nice how a different focus leads you to totally different playstyles. My first ruler was a spy, and that was great for the early game. Next was a steward, and I got lots of cash and some nice new castles in my home region from that. My current ruler is education focused, and that was perfect for religion. I formed a custom empire eventually, and now own most of France, Germany and northern Italy. After the Pope annoyed me with a Crusade request I formed my own religion, and become a Pope myself. Just conquered Rome. Only Problem: Custom Empire and custom Religion means all special events are gone - there's really nothing left to do. Can't form the HRE, can't destroy the Papacy, nothing left to do but grow a bit more and create the perfect family.
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Sep 10, 2020 09:27
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Broken Cog posted:Ok, so if a faction succeeds in putting you on the throne of a realm, they all get a hook on you. Even if you were not even aware the faction existed, or what they were trying to do. lol this just happened to me too, a bunch of other kingdom vassals ganged up on another that I had given two kingdom titles and stabilized with a lot of swaying and befriending. Trash 13-Dip dude wormed his way onto the council, kicking out my best friend (who had 28 Diplomacy) 
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Sep 10, 2020 09:42
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I'll be that guy and say that equality is the real trap in the early game. It turns every single one of your children into land-demanding heirs instead of just half of them. I'm definitely holding off on that until High Partition at the earliest in my future campaigns. Equality Thunderdome Best Thunderdome. Once you get rolling, it's relatively easy to grant isolated land and independence to heirs to keep them sated AND farm dynasty points AND prevent empires from forming when your character dies.
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Sep 10, 2020 09:51
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Finally ended up in my first conflict with non-Africans. I am about to befriend the Byzantine Emperor but I guess the vassals are another story. But uh... what the hell is with these holdings lol 
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Sep 10, 2020 09:54
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It's reverse Venice.
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Sep 10, 2020 10:00
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so usually I tell my spymaster to look for secrets in vassal/foreign courts to get opportunities for hooks/bribes but I decided for him to have a go at my own court let me tell you, the people in my court sure do love the ol' fornication
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Oh crap, some of my vassals are starting to go Feudal. I have been hooking constantly and raiding without levies for maximum profit and I still only have 2500 gold in the bank. The diplo penalty is manageable now but I can imagine this will be realm divide-worthy for succession if I don't go now
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