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trucutru posted:Just because Villeneuve is know for a very specific color usage in his previous films doesn't mean that he has to continue doing so. If he were to direct the Wizard of Oz and chose to use a drab palette so that both the ruby slippers and emerald city were as desaturated as this thing that would also be questionable. OK, but you also say trucutru posted:If I didn't see that Villeneuve was directing the movie that trailer would have killed any theoretical hype I would have for it. So which is it? Are you excited that Villeneuve is making a Villeneuve film, or would you rather he not? Because it sounds to me like you're hype for a new Villeneuve film so long as he doesnt do the things that he did to make the movies that justify this hype in the first place. I get what youre saying, this is pretty far removed from Jodorowsky's Dune, but.....Villeneuve is gonna Villeneuve, I think.
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Simiain posted:OK, but you also say Villeneuve films are not defined entirely by their looks. I like plenty of other aspects of his direction (as well as the projects he chooses to direct), which is why even if that trailer visually looks (to me) like poo poo that doesn't fit the setting, I am willing to believe it will be a quality film.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:01
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The Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Fremen, and the Atreides were always going to be pretty drab and monochrome. Color doesn't really fit their vibe. Only the Harkonnen can I really picture with opulent and vibrant colors to show their gluttony and avarice, but I understand that bad guys = black clothing. Also I don't remember anything being mentioned in the book
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Sep 10, 2020 05:02
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Simiain posted:I mean, as opposed to what, the Wizard of Oz technicolor of Arrival or Sicario or bloody Bladerunner??? As I said before 2049 is easily his most colourful film and also his most watched so it's not shocking people are surprised. During daytime scenes his colours are muted even when well-lit and sunny, during night time scenes it's very heavy on the shadows and lots of silhouettes. Sicario was full of stuff like this:  (great scene) Arrival (these are admittedly extremely cherry-picked since I only had the trailer to go off of):   Prisoners was a little brighter but still had a lot of silhouette shots and very muted colors.  Enemy:  I think the Las Vegas scene in Blade Runner is what most people pictured when they thought about Dune, so I don't think it's shocking that they are upset. But I think based on his body of work that the answer to "I can barely see the worm" is "he doesn't really want you to", and you can think that's bad or good but it's intentional.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:05
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I mean the Atreides in Lynch's film had this nice kinda-warm Dark Green look, sort of an overall baroque aesthetic. You'd almost want Caladan to look very homey and comfortable to contrast with how uninviting and hostile Arrakis is.
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Do we also hate the generally dark and drab look of the Lynch movie? Cause everyone wears black in that and it’s generally brown/black.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:06
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bawfuls posted:Do we also hate the generally dark and drab look of the Lynch movie? Cause everyone wears black in that and it’s generally brown/black. I feel like the earthiness of that is a lot more rich and warm. There's not as much slate-gray. Also, the flesh tones in Lynch's film feel richer, while everyone in this trailer looks a little washed out. Stop taking the blood out of people's faces dangit.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:The Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Fremen, and the Atreides were always going to be pretty drab and monochrome. Color doesn't really fit their vibe. Look at this dude:  Does he seem like a weapons master in the far future or a modern guy in slacks and a french breton shirt with a large fitbit at a posh hotel? bawfuls posted:Do we also hate the generally dark and drab look of the Lynch movie? Cause everyone wears black in that and it’s generally brown/black. Nah, they may be wearing black lifesaver vests but they pop. And the palette is quite warm. trucutru fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 05:11
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I think thats the best trailer Ive seen since the Man of Steel "they will join you in the sun" masterpiece.
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trucutru posted:This extends to other choices like clothing, etc. Most of the non-fremen characters in the book are a bunch of royalty, feudal warlords, their retainers, and witches. I don't have the imagination to visualize how those sort of characters would look thousands of years into the future but I do know that they would look, if not gaudy (for our standards), interesting as gently caress. What is the point of being given a setting that gives you a shitload of freedom to let the imagination go wild if you're going to go for a boring aesthetic? a boring aesthetic that doesn't fit the setting. Reposting from earlier: The costumes we've seen are perfectly in line with the descriptions in the novel: Paul wears a "semiformal jacket" with a breast pocket. Lady Fenring wears a plain beige gown. Feyd wears a tunic and bellbottoms. Lots of robes and dresses, many of them plain. Of course there's plenty of ways to execute even the simplest fashion staples, but the impression isn't particularly otherworldly. The (visual) weirdness some people are craving is going to come (rightly) from the Harkonnens and the Imperial court. See the Baron emerging form some sort of bath, and the weirdly pale Rabban. I imagine the Emperor and his court will be more ornate and baroque than what we've seen so far. Then there's this:  I think that's Jessica? As they land on Arrakis. So there are going to be some more out-there costumes. They're showing the stuff with the broadest appeal first. Also keep in mind that the color grading shown here isn't final - trailers are graded separately, by a different team, and with considerations like scene 3 and scene 37 being shown back to back, and edited to seem like one coherent thing when they aren't. The simplest way to match colors in that situation is to bring everything closer to neutral gray; to desaturate. But yeah Denis keeps things relatively muted in general, so when the color pops it punches you in the face. I love his visual style.
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The trailer's got me really hyped for the film. Hoping for a quick release to Blu-ray or streaming.
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When I read DUNE as a kid I'd imagined that the Atreides wore semi-formal military inspired dress, sort of nautical-futurism, harkening back to TE Lawrence and the colonial role they play. Harkonnen were more ornate, dressed in a more baroque or even victorian style - more cummerband and pocketwatch, lots of gold. Fremen I'd imagined wearing black thawb with accessories by g-shock. Atreides wearing techno armor isn't my choice, but it totally works.
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trucutru posted:Look at this dude: He looks like an older soldier wearing the shirt that goes under his dress uniform. Because he's stripped down for a training bout.  Do these look like two neo-neo-feudal nobles training blades in their future castle? Does the vibrating stack of holographic doubles that appears when they touch give a hint that they're not in our present or past? I say yes.
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Prolonged Priapism posted:He looks like an older soldier wearing the shirt that goes under his dress uniform. Because he's stripped down for a training bout. No. They don't, that's the issue I have. Sure, they have personal sci-fi shields, but otherwise they don't look like dudes in the far future at all to me. And even more so since we're talking about a neo-feudal future, there is even less reason for them to look so "normal".
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trucutru posted:Look at this dude: That’s really bad lol
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:The Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Fremen, and the Atreides were always going to be pretty drab and monochrome. Color doesn't really fit their vibe. The Harkonnen colors/style are bright and gaudy, and even their banner specifically is a bright blue and white griffon in the book. I love what we've seen of the Bene Gesserit so far in the trailer and that room, it's  . The Atreides colors are black/red/dark green in the book. But it feels weird to have every faction in dark grey/black AND have such a cold palette going by the trailer when in the book, each has a "house language" also. Even if it's not super detailed about it you really got this feeling that each house as each ruled a world would have their own unique style and culture and aesthetic from the environment of their planet like what we learn of the Atreides early on. So while I'm not a "What if Man of Steel was in color" person if just about everyone in the flick is rocking muted dark gray/black it is kind of a disservice.
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 My immediate thought on seeing Paul here was this, from Rob Roy:  Nothing like identical but it's the same vibe to me - a well used, working undershirt. If I saw Chalamet on the street in that I'd think homeless (same for Neeson), but in indoor-bladefight context it feels perfectly future-feudal to me.
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So mankind in the future is going to forgo the functionality of the basic t-shirt for something with diagonal zippers and at least 15 pieces of flair? I'd say wait for pictures of the nobility in their formal wear before despairing that Tarsem didn't direct.
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The lady saw this trailer and said "WHAT IS DUNE?!?" and then I sat her down and explained the Dune universe to her over the course of an hour to the best of my ability. Now she wants to watch Dune and I am hype AF to introduce her to the Lynch movie.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:29
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I don't think austere is a terrible choice for material like this, and some stuff looked pretty rad anyway (the Sardaukar (?) troopers dropping in front of the wall, Raban & the Baron), but a 15,000 years into the future feudal pre-capitalist spacefaring society is an excuse to go apeshit.
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The entire point is that it isn't. It's staid and boring and unimaginative and dying. That's quite literally the antagonist of the novels, the stagnation of human civilization, and trying to avoid it's inevitable extinction. And most everything is described in a fairly plain and not particular weird style. You get a little weirder with some of the technology, like the dragonfly ships and the navigators and such, but the average noble or soldier? There's absolutely nothing colorful or intriguing about how they look. If it looks cool you probably hosed up, because your main reaction should be.....well, why doesn't this all look cooler?
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Sep 10, 2020 07:47
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I'm fairly certain at no point are the ultra-badass Sardaukar deathtroops from hellworld ever described visually at all. Because it's not important to their function in the story. But film is a visual medium, so,
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Mulva posted:The entire point is that it isn't. It's staid and boring and unimaginative and dying. That's quite literally the antagonist of the novels, the stagnation of human civilization, and trying to avoid it's inevitable extinction. I mean, decadence can look cool as poo poo.
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I know a lot of people like to poo poo on the 2000 miniseries (for good reason), but I did actually really like how utterly outrageous some of the costumes were, like how almost every noble has to wear a giant fan on their head, or Feyd with the triangle kite thing strapped to his back, you know, just because. They also struck a good contrast in showing how relatively down-to-earth and spartan the Atreides were compared to the more decadent Harkonnen.
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The miniseries had an interesting aesthetic, even if it felt like they didn't always have the resources to realize it.
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I certainly don't think it looks bad, and it fits with a lot of Villeneuve's pre-BR 2049 movies, but compared to that movie in particular, I do think it looks drab and dark and dull. I do not get the sense that this is an alien desert planet. I get the sense that they went to a desert on Earth and filmed it in the most straightforward way they could. Again, this is not me saying it looks bad, but I do think the shots of Arrakis look too mundane and unremarkable for what is supposed to be one of the most hostile places in the galaxy. I'm not even really getting any sort of vibe from it. Which, yes, that is disappointing considering BR 2049 is one of the most visually striking movies I've seen in the past decade. But it's just a trailer so who knows.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I'm still excited but that trailer had a bit of a YA movie vibe to me. It's a Reluctant Chosen One sci-fi story centered on a royal pretty boy trying to navigate the machinations of powers far larger than himself, complete with special fighting styles, Friends To The End, and big action set pieces. Sci-fi has been pillaging from Dune for years and YA sci-fi is no exception, so the resemblance was inevitable to some degree.
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These stillsuits are so blegh, especially the obvious motercycle gloves. 
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Capntastic posted:I'm fairly certain at no point are the ultra-badass Sardaukar deathtroops from hellworld ever described visually at all. Because it's not important to their function in the story. I think the only description of them in the book is when a captured Sardaukar is brought to Paul, and is described as blond and blue eyed, which seems to be typical of Sardaukar officers. As such, I’ve always pictured the Sardaukar as Nordic or Aryan looking, in contrast to the Arabic looking Fremen or Greek/Mediterranean Atreides..
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wonder if there'll be any backlash for this movie appropriating a lot from arab cultures
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Capntastic posted:I'm fairly certain at no point are the ultra-badass Sardaukar deathtroops from hellworld ever described visually at all. Because it's not important to their function in the story. The Sardaukar are also disguised as Harkonnen troops, which is something people seem to keep forgetting when they complain they don't look like Space Marines or whatever.
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Hemp Knight posted:I think the only description of them in the book is when a captured Sardaukar is brought to Paul, and is described as blond and blue eyed, which seems to be typical of Sardaukar officers. As such, I’ve always pictured the Sardaukar as Nordic or Aryan looking, in contrast to the Arabic looking Fremen or Greek/Mediterranean Atreides.. Given the Sardaukar's origins I don't think that guy is supposed to be specifically representative though. They are the survivors of the imperial prison colonies, so it seems unlikely that they are of one particular race or culture
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u brexit ukip it posted:Given the Sardaukar's origins I don't think that guy is supposed to be specifically representative though. They are the survivors of the imperial prison colonies, so it seems unlikely that they are of one particular race or culture The loose analogy is that they're German 'military advisors' to the Ottoman Empire helping them to fight Laurence of Arabia. e: also the Sardukar being Space Marines would be missing the point. Herbert is very openly saying in the book 'good soldiers aren't heroic or noble, the most fearsome soldier would be someone who's been traumatised from birth by an environment that's trying to kill them, because that's how you end up with someone utterly ruthless and indifferent to death, and that's what a 'good' soldier is'. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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well why not posted:wonder if there'll be any backlash for this movie appropriating a lot from arab cultures It actually seems like they are backing away from alot of the Islamic elements of the book. I hope its just a misdirect for the trailers and sneak peaks.
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Hakkesshu posted:I certainly don't think it looks bad, and it fits with a lot of Villeneuve's pre-BR 2049 movies, but compared to that movie in particular, I do think it looks drab and dark and dull. To be fair, you probably bitched at the 2049 trailer, too E: Also lol at the guy who tried to describe a costume in this movie as a dude with a fitbit in a hotel. Holy poo poo man. What a joyless nerd you are man Firstborn fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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AwkwardKnob posted:Yes! It seems like the Harkonnens are all kind of pale and ghostly looking THey live on an industrial hell world with no sky. Of course they look like pale molemen, and have weird baths to help protect their skin from the desert.
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Prolonged Priapism posted:Also keep in mind that the color grading shown here isn't final - trailers are graded separately, by a different team, and with considerations like scene 3 and scene 37 being shown back to back, and edited to seem like one coherent thing when they aren't. The simplest way to match colors in that situation is to bring everything closer to neutral gray; to desaturate. Aren't glowglobes orange? I bet cave interiors are going to be lit really warmly to contrast with the outdoors.
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Firstborn posted:To be fair, you probably bitched at the 2049 trailer, too No I did not, what a bizarre thing to say
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Firstborn posted:To be fair, you probably bitched at the 2049 trailer, too Suffice to say my mind was goddamn blown.
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