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The Little Death posted:
... She was mind-controlled, she doesn't even remember it. This is the exact Bad DM bullshit he complains about with paladin traps. poo poo, I've definitely seen people complaining about their paladin getting mind-controlled then losing their powers when the villain/DM has them murder an orphanage or whatever the gently caress, and you know what? They were always right to complain. That's bullshit.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:06 |
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The Little Death posted:Can I just pause here and say that I find it weird that two of Mookie's stories so early in the comics have involved driving people to suicide as the main plot? It' sjust s tarange narrative device to really on this frequently, and with other things we know about him (dead girls in bathtubs) makes me a little uncomfortable. quote:Dominic sets off to save the day. I can't put my finger on why, but I don't like this interaction. I don't like DOminic just being the designated hero and not reaction to the situation in any way other than that. quote:Dominic is able to reverse the despair spell. Also, Dominic is not immune to enchantments or illusions and is later affected by both of them, and this is not a trait other seers claim to have, but who cares. quote:I feel like maybe Dominic could have told spark to warn Milov and Jayden, or Luna and Greg, but whatever. quote:We end this section with Jacob being the best, once again. catlord posted:... She was mind-controlled, she doesn't even remember it. This is the exact Bad DM bullshit he complains about with paladin traps. poo poo, I've definitely seen people complaining about their paladin getting mind-controlled then losing their powers when the villain/DM has them murder an orphanage or whatever the gently caress, and you know what? They were always right to complain. That's bullshit.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:18 |
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That would've taken so little to be so much better. Let Jacob be cool and good dammit
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:20 |
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drat I actually...really liked Jacob’s intro. It’s anime as all get out but in a good way, kind of sucks that Mookie fumbled it by having the scene go on too long. Jacob has the climactic battle with the villain where all the pieces of the mystery fall into place (kinda), he coulda just taken his spoils and bounced and it would be a great scene with tons of story potential. Instead he sticks around for a way lamer battle and to be evil in a much more generic way. Mookie’s habit of redundancy really spoils the moment.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:20 |
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TheHan posted:drat I actually...really liked Jacob’s intro. It’s anime as all get out but in a good way, kind of sucks that Mookie fumbled it by having the scene go on too long. Jacob has the climactic battle with the villain where all the pieces of the mystery fall into place (kinda), he coulda just taken his spoils and bounced and it would be a great scene with tons of story potential. Instead he sticks around for a way lamer battle and to be evil in a much more generic way. Mookie’s habit of redundancy really spoils the moment. It's like the dramatic equivalent of Randall Munroe's post-punchline dialogue and is a natural consequence of Mookie not planning the comic out.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:32 |
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Getting reintroduced to Jacob here, via Vilrath, I realize that he's just Mozenrath from the Aladdin cartoon. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Sep 9, 2020 |
# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:35 |
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I never read DD when it was going, and I can see, yeah, if I was still a dumb 14 year old back in the old days that might have even grabbed me. The interpretation of Jacob arranging things as an excuse to heal his brother and get what he wants, that all could have worked for an interesting villain with a gray family dynamic. For a moment it actually seems like Dominic was wrong to talk trash about Jacob. Sure, he killed people to gain more powers, but he was killing even worse bad-guys, and he saved his family and even fixed a mistake he'd made on his younger brother without making it obvious that healing him of the blight was his plan. It could have really worked! Instead I guess he's just Killman: The Bad Boy Skeleton Meanie. And he just wants to kill his family because... evil people kill their families? He stumbled into a good story, panicked, and quickly backed his way out, because he couldn't have a bad guy who was in any way complex or had ambiguous goals. This is incredible.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 03:13 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Getting reintroduced to Jacob here, via Vilrath, I realize that he's just Mozenrath from the Aladdin cartoon.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 03:36 |
Yeah, like I mentioned earlier, if things had been changed around so that Jacob was no-joke a tragically misunderstood anti-villain who started out with the best of intentions, he could have been a legitimately compelling antagonist. Just off the top of my head, I could see a later arc where he confronts his family with the truth of what was going on with his experiments on Greg that fateful day, and forces the rest of them to confront the idea that their jumping to conclusions and casting him out without letting him try to explain himself was just as responsible for his fall as his own actions afterwards were. Heck, maybe even have him have a particular soft spot for Greg for still seeing the best in him even after all these years... and a sore one with Dominic for being the one who blew the whistle on him, to explain his grossout trolling. Also, his design is so derivative of Sephiroth it hurts, but I’m willing to let that slide with how morbidly hilarious he is.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 03:51 |
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I missed posting this strip originally, I've edited it in. Like I said, dumb anime trope. I really hate this "get greg fired up, have his magic powers go off" thing Mookie does. That's twice that the big villain is taken down this way.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 04:24 |
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Their Last Rites involves full-mouth kissing of the near-deceased. Mookie,
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 04:37 |
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Can't help but feel that Jacob got the Siegfried treatment. Mookie stumbled into writing a legitimately entertaining and compelling character, realized he was going to outshine the other Deegans, and quickly wrote in that sequence where he attempts to kill his brother. It's so frustrating to read because Jacob's brotherly gross-out gags and dunks on Dominic are probably the only time the comic has ever made me laugh with it. Mookie should've read the room and made his follow-up comic Jacob Deegan: Necromancer for Pyre.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 04:46 |
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Jacob being a heinous villain who still enjoys trolling his little brothers, and wanting to keep them around because life is more fun with them is a genuinely entertaining character trait. Why is Mookie so bad at this that he ruins things he accidentally makes good? You have to try to be this terrible at creativity. I also think if his reason for becoming a necromancer was to better understand what attacked his family and wanting to use that knowledge to protect them against it, and then the typical seduction by power happens, would be more interesting than just an immediate "drat that poo poo that hurt my brother was ." And that could lead in to the continued soft spot for his family even after the full heel turn.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 04:58 |
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I won't bother repeating all that everyone's already said about Jacob and instead point out that the couple of panels where mookie drew Greg from the front are way more anime than his usual three-quarter and side perspectives. Don't know if he ever does that sort of thing again, even.
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catlord posted:... She was mind-controlled, she doesn't even remember it. This is the exact Bad DM bullshit he complains about with paladin traps. poo poo, I've definitely seen people complaining about their paladin getting mind-controlled then losing their powers when the villain/DM has them murder an orphanage or whatever the gently caress, and you know what? They were always right to complain. That's bullshit. Like I've mentioned before, Jayden is constantly treated the worst of any of the major characters. Pam is a close second just because she's the one that ends up in proximity of Greg (the worst character) the most, and being the butt of most of the sexist jokes later on. Also with this power up we're beginning our transition to a level beyond Greg, also known as Greg 2. Also Jacob here is definitely (unintentionally) the best character and antagonist Mookie's done, at least during this early scene. Most notably it's probably the only time that despite Dominic's scheming and plot sight bullshit, it's really like the one time an antagonist basically wins for more than like, a few panels before it's reversed. Jacob shows up, trolls the poo poo out of Dominic, gets what he wants, and leaves on his own terms. Even Greg's power-up and lashing out doesn't bother Jacob at all, since it doesn't stop him from getting what he came for. Evrart Claire fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 13:02 |
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Worth noting just how fast Greg overcame his disability; I think this partly sets an expectation for Snout overcoming his deafness in the Legacy, which hasn't happened yet. I'd say this is to mookie's credit, but it's also obvious that he cannot really write around this limitation without resorting to dialogue-in-all-but-name with long written exchanges between Snout and the people he meets. He isn't really learning anything from this sort of limitation, he's just having his characters do nothing until he can shove text in the comic, which allows the plot to progress and develop.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 13:51 |
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Zerilan posted:Also with this power up we're beginning our transition to a level beyond Greg, also known as Greg 2. Then there's Greg 3, the stupidest Greg, and finally Greg 4, the most insufferable one.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 15:36 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Then there's Greg 3, the stupidest Greg, and finally Greg 4, the most insufferable one. For people who've never read Deegan before, this is not a joke. They were both so bad.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 15:49 |
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YF-23 posted:Worth noting just how fast Greg overcame his disability; I think this partly sets an expectation for Snout overcoming his deafness in the Legacy, which hasn't happened yet. I'd say this is to mookie's credit, but it's also obvious that he cannot really write around this limitation without resorting to dialogue-in-all-but-name with long written exchanges between Snout and the people he meets. He isn't really learning anything from this sort of limitation, he's just having his characters do nothing until he can shove text in the comic, which allows the plot to progress and develop. The one thing I think stopping Mookie from giving Snout hearing is that he doesn’t consider Snout a person who’s deaf, but like an archetype. If Snout wasn’t deaf it’d be a totally new character to him, but in his mind Gregory was always a guy with a disability that was gonna be cured. The main argument against this is that Greg turns into three or four different characters over the course of the story, but I don’t think Mookie knew he was doing that.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 16:00 |
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I had forgotten how much Jacob thoroughly trolls Dominic during his murder spree. It's legit one of my favourite bits in the comic because it's Dominic impotently getting owned with absolutely no recourse.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 16:59 |
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Man I forgot how much fun Jacob was before Mookie needed him to stop making Dominic look less perfect.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 17:12 |
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FlocksOfMice posted:Their Last Rites involves full-mouth kissing of the near-deceased. How can we even tell if its full-mouth kissing? She could just be kissing him on the cheek, it's impossible to tell with the bad face and her thumb being where his mouth might be if it was a peck on the cheek. Just diabolically bad art.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 21:32 |
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Why do the death rites involve smooching on corpses Apart from the obvious "from a story perspective, Greg needed a boner"
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 00:55 |
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EthanSteele posted:How can we even tell if its full-mouth kissing? She could just be kissing him on the cheek, it's impossible to tell with the bad face and her thumb being where his mouth might be if it was a peck on the cheek. Just diabolically bad art. Given Mookie's pervasive misogyny, since the "last rites" (couldn't even change the loving name) are being administered by a woman, the cleric can't just say a prayer or Charlie Brown her arms around, she must be sexualized while she's performing her duty. Consequently, it's reasonable for a reader to interpolate that as meaning Greg's mouthspot wandered from his right cheek to his left cheek so Jayden could open mouthed kiss his bloody mouth to suck his soul out and refill her daily spell slots. TheHan posted:The one thing I think stopping Mookie from giving Snout hearing is that he doesnt consider Snout a person whos deaf, but like an archetype. If Snout wasnt deaf itd be a totally new character to him, but in his mind Gregory was always a guy with a disability that was gonna be cured. Cat Mattress posted:Then there's Greg 3, the stupidest Greg, and finally Greg 4, the most insufferable one. YF-23 posted:Worth noting just how fast Greg overcame his disability; I think this partly sets an expectation for Snout overcoming his deafness in the Legacy, which hasn't happened yet. I'd say this is to mookie's credit, but it's also obvious that he cannot really write around this limitation without resorting to dialogue-in-all-but-name with long written exchanges between Snout and the people he meets. He isn't really learning anything from this sort of limitation, he's just having his characters do nothing until he can shove text in the comic, which allows the plot to progress and develop. Snout has nullified all of these drawbacks pretty much from day one. He immediately got a hearing companion to protect him from stuff and everyone he runs into is fully literate and doesn't mind taking extra time to write their own thoughts and read his responses. It's the same as Dominic losing his left leg at the knee but getting it replaced with a perfectly functional prosthesis that never causes him any difficulty, it isn't a real handicap or flaw. YF-23 posted:I won't bother repeating all that everyone's already said about Jacob and instead point out that the couple of panels where mookie drew Greg from the front are way more anime than his usual three-quarter and side perspectives. Don't know if he ever does that sort of thing again, even.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 01:05 |
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Let's Wrap this up Chapter 8: Visions of Doom [Part 7] Mookie takes way to long to wrap up loose ends in these arcs. In a daily format you notice it less, but here, entire sections of his archive are useless filler. Like this whole interaction. What the gently caress is the point of drawing this out over two strips? I know the cliffhanger is obviously what caused this, but you would think Mookie would realize how anticlimactic it is to always reverse what just happened. In fact most this section could just be condensced to the one strip where they heal Siggy. This is mildly funny. I want werewolves in Legacy. Mookie, show me that spellwolf dong. Again, all of this didn't need to happen, it's just more establishing of Gregs crush which we already knew and which... Goes away here, replaced by Greg's realization that he's not using a walking stick. Ok, so I know that this is a standard trope in a lot of stories, But I hate, hate, hate Greg's schoolboy crush on Jayden, and having it resolved this way. How was she the "woman of his dreams"? He barely knows her. All he know's is that she's pretty and kind in an anime nun way. She's not a person to him, and they've barely had any interactions. This sort of nerd pining has always ticked me off, and I will never get why people thought it was relatedable or compelling. It just grosses me out. Stop looking directly at me Dominic, you smug douche. Again, all of a sudden Jayden, Milov and Siggy are more interesting trio than the Deegan bunch. This poo poo is what makes people think Mookie is good at writing. There's a nice subtlety here, friends who know each others flaws and virtues, and it's compelling. Except I think Mookie really just meant it as a "Man Jayden is so cool for knowing how to placate the angry jock. She's soooooo dreamy". I don't believe he intended this to come out the way it does. Joke strip that goes nowhere and doesn't connect to what comes before or after. YOu never find out if they sleep in a different room. Fake-out dream sequence, but it does lead to this: Which is hammy and pointless, but the sleepless night monologe is a staple, so I'll allow it. Ok, so here's the only part of this section that matters. Again, here we see Mookie doubling down on Jacob's badness. People must have been talking. He was trying to kill Greg because otherwise greg would still idolize him. Why, if his goal is detachment, did he only care about killing Greg. How was that his first solution, and why does it even matter if Greg idolizes him, since he already cared so little about Greg's life that killing him was an option? Why not just kill them all, if he wants to be unconnected? IF he doesn't value life, it doesn't make sense to be both this picky about killing, and be willing to murder his little brother. I mean, maybe he always hated Greg. Understandable. This enlightement in undeath thing is a little interesting, but again really just vague confusing bullshit MOokie didnt' think of. As evidence by.... THIS CONCLUDING STRIP. WHICH IS GROSS AND CREEPY. First, Jacob's plan is stupid and meaningless. How his Dr. Frankenstein schtick was supposed to make hime "the Zombie Alive" is never clear. Also, the term you're looking for is a lich Mookie. I knwo you don't think it is, but it is. But that third and fourth panel. Naked dead lady, "Mortal wants and needs", big rear end knife. Sorry, gross. Fetish representation, definitely. It is just so blatant it turns my stomach. One more section of this story to go after this, but I want to just leave it on the above because it grossed me out so much to read it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 01:13 |
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The Little Death posted:Like this whole interaction. What the gently caress is the point of drawing this out over two strips? I know the cliffhanger is obviously what caused this, but you would think Mookie would realize how anticlimactic it is to always reverse what just happened. In fact most this section could just be condensced to the one strip where they heal Siggy. Living with a physical disability, even temporarily, might humble Siegfried and teach him about the difficulties they face on a daily basis. Perhaps his fellow knights would directly give him poo poo, the townspeople of Lynn's Brook would stone him as he walked by, or he could just face non-cartoonish difficulties such as getting dressed or wiping his own rear end. Dominic or maybe even the depowered Jayden could speak to Greg and beg him to be the better man and heal Siegfried. Maybe since Mookie's got a suicide fetish Siegfried could even consider killing himself since his purpose in life of being an itinerant murderhobo is no longer possible, and then Greg could burst in, say he'd learned his lesson, and heal him. But no, we can't have normal things. quote:Ok, so I know that this is a standard trope in a lot of stories, But I hate, hate, hate Greg's schoolboy crush on Jayden, and having it resolved this way. How was she the "woman of his dreams"? He barely knows her. All he know's is that she's pretty and kind in an anime nun way. She's not a person to him, and they've barely had any interactions. This sort of nerd pining has always ticked me off, and I will never get why people thought it was relatedable or compelling. It just grosses me out. I know we discuss how Mookie can only draw one face occasionally, but in an arc like this that heavily features Jacob, Siegfried, and Milov, it becomes confusing about who is who since they all also have the same hair, and the typical comic is 80% text box with the art only visible through a thin slice like being viewed through a medieval knight's visor so we can only see the head and can't take clothes or skeleton arms into account in certain shots. quote:First, Jacob's plan is stupid and meaningless. How his Dr. Frankenstein schtick was supposed to make hime "the Zombie Alive" is never clear. Also, the term you're looking for is a lich Mookie. I knwo you don't think it is, but it is.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 01:30 |
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Jacob is right about how radical skeletons are
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 01:42 |
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If through some cruel joke of god I were Dominic Deegan’s editor, I think I would’ve cut every page in this chapter.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 01:50 |
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Miss posted:Jacob is right about how radical skeletons are TheHan posted:If through some cruel joke of god I were Dominic Deegans editor, I think I wouldve cut every page in this chapter. EDIT: Popsicle is a brand name, Mookie, you imbecile. mfw zombie alive Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Invisible Clergy posted:Are you splitting the Gregs up differently from how I mentally compartmentalize them? I only remember 3 Gregs: Greg 1: helpless waif Greg with a bad leg to show off how compassionate Dominic is, Greg 2: Goku Greg with super powers and Greg 3: Heavy metal Greg. What Greg is my brain repressing to try to keep me safe? Naïve Greg -> Goku Greg -> Super Greg -> Metal Greg
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 06:27 |
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Oh, ok, thanks for clarifying. I'd kind of lumped Goku Greg together with Super Greg, but I guess they are insufferable in different ways.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 06:42 |
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Because in the Dominic Deegan world, there are comic books, and those comic books are of the super hero genre, because
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 06:49 |
Might have made for some interesting insights if Jacob was trying to claim that he was just trying to detach himself from his worldly tethers, but it’s really obvious that his run in with his siblings shook him up something fierce, and laying the seeds for their eventual team-up. And... while the heavy necrophilia implications are gross and gratuitous, I actually kind of like the very broad strokes idea of finishing with a scene of him engaging in some unambiguously evil act as a jarring reminder for the audience that, for whatever sympathetic qualities he might have, he’s still very much a threat to anyone who’s in his way. Absolutely not anything even remotely sexual, obviously, but... I don’t know, something morbid? Like, pan to reveal that he’s kicked back and relaxing with a zombie as a footrest, he has a coat rack by the door made of severed arms, an undead “butler”, you get the idea.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 07:15 |
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Hamm's, the beer refreshing Jacob, the zombie alive
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 07:57 |
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Shaka, when the walls fell.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 08:01 |
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Miss posted:Because in the Dominic Deegan world, there are comic books, and those comic books are of the super hero genre, because
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 08:21 |
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Had a dream where I was reading a webcomic where the author created a really cool character (Siggy) by accident and then tried writing them out by sending them to hell, but the fans did some rewriting where the character goes to hell in a cool and radical way. So weird.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 17:04 |
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God drat does Jacob have wasted potential here. Especially since he starts out strong! There's little here that hasn't been said but good god does Mookie know how to immediately rob characters of anything interesting. He has like, anti-narrative superpowers.
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What do people who haven't read the comic before think so far?
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