Real hurthling! posted:Gamestop will be offering financing for new consoles now also Is it free after they go under?
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Sep 11, 2020 04:41
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Is it free after they go under? Don't worry, they will sell your debt to someone else before the lights go off.
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Sep 11, 2020 04:43
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It’s cool they are re-releasing Scott Pilgrim but kind of lovely they don’t add it to BC on Xbox. Doesn’t appear to be a remaster or anything. That was one of few games I always wished was compatible (but understood why it wasn’t). Now that the licensing must be sorted, it’s kind of lame to double-dip.
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Sep 11, 2020 06:48
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It sucks, but just because you get the license to be able to release Scott pilgrim again doesn’t mean you get the license to re-list the old one. I mean not that they would WANT to but I doubt they even could if they did.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:05
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Gutcruncher posted:It sucks, but just because you get the license to be able to release Scott pilgrim again doesn’t mean you get the license to re-list the old one. Good point. I kind of think the gameplay sucks as well, but both Paul Robertson (pixel art) and Anamanaguchi (soundtrack) were at the top their game.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:13
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It doesn't deserve the praise it gets but from a video game preservation standpoint I'm glad to see it's back.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:18
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American McGay posted:It doesn't deserve the praise it gets but from a video game preservation standpoint I'm glad to see it's back. Is it coming out physically because if not then lol
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Sep 11, 2020 08:06
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probably should have cross-posted this comparison i put into the gpu thread: from Series X ($499 big xbox) to Series S ($299 small xbox) they go from: CPU: 3.8GHz (3.6GHz w/ SMT) -> 3.6GHz (3.4GHz w/ SMT) (so cpu is a bit weaker) GPU: 52 CUs at 1.825GHz -> 20 CUs at 1.565GHz (majorly gimped gpu) GPU Power: 12.15 TFlops -> 4 TFlops (dumb measurement but architectural like for like at least) Storage: 1TB -> 512GB (and removing the disc drive) RAM: 16GB GDDR6 -> 10GB GGDR6 (significantly cut down) But the RAM gets complicated now as for the Series X they're running the 16GB at 2 different speeds (10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s - 2.5GB held on the slower part for the OS). on the Series S it's 8GB at 224GB/s, 2GB at 56GB/s. Not quite sure how if they're just not reserving 2.5GB for the OS on the S model, but they're locking themselves down on feature parity at the OS-layer from the get-go. for context the ps5 has 16GB at 448GB/s with no segmentation specs are from their announcement: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/09/xbox-series-x-and-xbox-series-s-launching-november-10/ (see https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg) if you're grabbing an xbox for back-compat and apps i don't see what you gain with this over a used xbox one s and ya the df video had them confirming that series s wouldn't get one x's back-compat improvements, otherwise it was repeating marketing points and no critical analysis
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Sep 11, 2020 08:31
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Grabbing a Series S for back compatibility seems like madness since it... doesn't have a drive
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Sep 11, 2020 08:41
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https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1304141209326161921?s=19
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Sep 11, 2020 10:24
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The ps5 is disgustingly ugly. If it does come free I will throw is straight in the garbage as soon as i am finished vomiting on it.
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Sep 11, 2020 10:32
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I wonder how much retailers will care about stocking Series S or the disc-less PS5, considering the tiny benefits they get from selling them compared to the physical ones. There's never been a console cycle where the very first launch units include digital-only versions, right? So this will be interesting (more so with the PS5, where there is parity between the two versions). Ask yourself this question: Why is there no disc-less variant of the Series X? https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-10-24-european-gamers-wary-of-digital-only-games-consoles GI.biz posted:60% of European gamers surveyed in a recent study say they're unlikely to buy a games console that does not play physical discs. GI.biz posted:22% of UK console gamers are likely to purchase a digital-only machine, German console players are 19% likely, French console owners are 16% likely, whereas Spanish and Italian players are 10% and 15% likely respectively. Lots more details in the article. Covid has changed things a bit, but still.... does the market truly exist for these digital-only consoles yet? Interestingly, only 4% cited download limits as a reason to not buy digital. After all, many major games come with mandatory huge day one patches anyway.
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Sep 11, 2020 12:39
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The main reason I wouldn't go for a discless console (despite not having had a disc drive in my PC for years) is that these are closed systems. Having no option but to pay whatever insanely inflated price they've slapped on digital releases would feel bad and get really expensive. Maybe one day we'll have a console market with an open ecosystem but not a loving while.
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Sep 11, 2020 12:50
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it's ridiculous to make the optical drive a defining part of the console. they should all be discless but support usb disc drives
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Sep 11, 2020 13:07
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:on the Series S it's 8GB at 224GB/s, 2GB at 56GB/s.  should have just been a $99 xCloud streaming box at this point
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Sep 11, 2020 13:07
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Is it coming out physically because if not then lol Times are different these days. Give it a year, one of the many limited run game botiques will pick it up and do a physical print run. Any halfway decent indie game gets a physical run now.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:10
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butt dickus posted:it's ridiculous to make the optical drive a defining part of the console. they should all be discless but support usb disc drives Is there many 4K external drives out there?
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Sep 11, 2020 13:14
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Ruffian Price posted:
Wide memory buses are expensive! I want to hear more from engine devs, but realistically can’t you just use lovely low res textures to get out of VRAM size or bandwidth issues?
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Sep 11, 2020 13:33
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Is there many 4K external drives out there? They could release one together in partnership lol
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Sep 11, 2020 13:39
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stev posted:The main reason I wouldn't go for a discless console (despite not having had a disc drive in my PC for years) is that these are closed systems. Having no option but to pay whatever insanely inflated price they've slapped on digital releases would feel bad and get really expensive. This was a huge source of anxiety on the PC side in the early 2000s, but it turned out that even with Steam having a defacto monopoly, pricing - particularly sale pricing - became more aggressive. Stimulating sales of titles that are >6 months old with strong discounts turned out to work very well. I think the folks worrying about there only being one storefront and that leading to price gouging are underestimating the public's willingness to just not buy something they think is too expensive.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:39
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Is there many 4K external drives out there?
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Sep 11, 2020 13:44
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TheScott2K posted:This was a huge source of anxiety on the PC side in the early 2000s, but it turned out that even with Steam having a defacto monopoly, pricing - particularly sale pricing - became more aggressive. Stimulating sales of titles that are >6 months old with strong discounts turned out to work very well. In north america you are correct but i think other parts of the world havent seen the same be true yet.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:47
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butt dickus posted:the drive in the one x is just a sata blu ray drive, so it's reading at 6gbps tops. usb 3.1 (it's called usb 3.2 gen 2 now?) is 10gbps. i'm sure lg/pioneer/lite-on would be happy to make xbox-branded drives Pretty sure the bandwidth isn't an issue here (disc reads suck anyway), just having the format available at all Ruffian Price fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 13:48
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butt dickus posted:the drive in the one x is just a sata blu ray drive, so it's reading at 6gbps tops. usb 3.1 (it's called usb 3.2 gen 2 now?) is 10gbps. i'm sure lg/pioneer/lite-on would be happy to make xbox-branded drives Yeah but presumably the Series X is using 4K drives
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Sep 11, 2020 13:49
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Real hurthling! posted:In north america you are correct but i think other parts of the world havent seen the same be true yet. ive been digital only this entier gen and we get good sales here as well, and i also have a us account i can use too for sales over there. sales on sales on sales. and yeah there hasnt been a single secondf of my life that ive thought wow i wish i could buy physical pc games again. the prices are lower than theyve ever been lmao
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Sep 11, 2020 13:50
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Yeah but presumably the Series X is using 4K drives 4k drive is still sata makes no difference
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Sep 11, 2020 13:51
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Stux posted:4k drive is still sata makes no difference I totally forgot the One X/S had 4K drives already 
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Sep 11, 2020 13:52
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Part of the One S's value proposition was being the cheapest 4K Bluray player available for a while (the prices are still nuts overall but there are better value options now), kinda like with people buying PS2s to play movies on DVD
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Sep 11, 2020 13:54
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Real hurthling! posted:In north america you are correct but i think other parts of the world havent seen the same be true yet. America's Console, baby
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Sep 11, 2020 14:00
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Ruffian Price posted:Part of the One S's value proposition was being the cheapest 4K Bluray player available for a while (the prices are still nuts overall but there are better value options now), kinda like with people buying PS2s to play movies on DVD Yeah that was a good reason for getting one. One weird thing I noticed was that I'm fairly certain the One S interface itself is still 1080p, the graphics on all the UI look really bad compared to the PS4 pro.
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Sep 11, 2020 14:00
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Ruffian Price posted:External 4K Bluray drives are around $100 and I don't expect them to be compatible with any of the digital consoles.
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Sep 11, 2020 14:03
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Ruffian Price posted:Part of the One S's value proposition was being the cheapest 4K Bluray player available for a while (the prices are still nuts overall but there are better value options now), kinda like with people buying PS2s to play movies on DVD DVD actually being something that was being widely adopted seems like a significant difference
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Sep 11, 2020 14:04
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butt dickus posted:it's ridiculous to make the optical drive a defining part of the console. they should all be discless but support usb disc drives Aw yeah 
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Sep 11, 2020 14:28
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Aw yeah Got one of those before I had a 360 just to watch HDDVDs on my PC. No ragrets
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Sep 11, 2020 14:32
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Yeah that was a good reason for getting one. One weird thing I noticed was that I'm fairly certain the One S interface itself is still 1080p, the graphics on all the UI look really bad compared to the PS4 pro. It is, and this applies even to the One X. They originally planned to make the One X UI 4K but decided against it to maximize the amount of memory available for games. Per Microsoft using a 1080p UI instead of 4K leaves 1 GB more of RAM for games.
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Sep 11, 2020 14:55
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Zat posted:It is, and this applies even to the One X. They originally planned to make the One X UI 4K but decided against it to maximize the amount of memory available for games. Per Microsoft using a 1080p UI instead of 4K leaves 1 GB more of RAM for games. I shudder to think how much RAM the PS4 Pro UI is using cos that thing is laggy as gently caress
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Sep 11, 2020 14:58
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They seriously need to fire the guy that keeps loving up their ram Sourcing 4 different types of ram, a couple at weird niche speeds, seems like a huge waste of money and big dev hassle
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Sep 11, 2020 15:00
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I buy digital console games a lot, but I usually buy physical if it exists. There’s a few reasons for that. price, data caps, and it ensures that I can never lose that content when some license runs out and the dev patches that content out. I will not buy a diskless console this coming generation. I don’t care how much smaller or cheaper it is.
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Sep 11, 2020 15:07
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Gutcruncher posted:I buy digital console games a lot, but I usually buy physical if it exists. There’s a few reasons for that. price, data caps, and it ensures that I can never lose that content when some license runs out and the dev patches that content out. I don't understand the "data caps" argument now that games have 50+GB downloads even after you installed from the disk. Discs seem to be a physical license management system to me.
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Sep 11, 2020 15:12
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Twerk from Home posted:I don't understand the "data caps" argument now that games have 50+GB downloads even after you installed from the disk. Discs seem to be a physical license management system to me. Every meg matters some months, but even ignoring a data cap I usually still want the benefits of physical, especially on Switch where getting cartridges saves tons of space on the sd card
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Sep 11, 2020 15:18
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