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So assuming that translation is close to correct Devils are the actual metaphysical concept of the thing that they are named after and erasing the being that represents humanities fear of something erases it from humanities collective conscious and I think from existence itself. Boy I'd love to hear Pochita try and explain all of this to Denji as a cute chainsaw dog. Also I love that some of the things mentioned by Makima are things that don't exist. That is such a good touch. Ethiser fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Chainsaw Man = Doomguy confirmed, I guess.
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Sep 11, 2020 12:12
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Ethiser posted:So assuming that translation is close to correct Devils are the actual metaphysical concept of the thing that they are named after and erasing the being that represents humanities fear of something erases it from humanities collective conscious and I think from existence itself. Boy I'd love to hear Pochita try and explain all of this to Denji as a cute chainsaw dog. ...Which doesn't exist? Nuclear weapons? I'm pretty sure nuclear weapons still exist. Just because something's killed less people than Mount Vio's eruption doesn't mean it stopped existing.
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Sep 11, 2020 12:16
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i think he means the ‘Zoa’ and ‘anolon syndrome’ that makima references
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Sep 11, 2020 12:22
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I'm actually disappointed by this, I didn't expect this to happen, but here we are. Giving the chainsaw devil the ability to eat something out of existence just doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit with his theme at all. We've seen that all his powers and abilities were chainsaw based, like moving around or holding people still. And then, he can eat stuff out of existence. It's not even a weird or disgusting and original manifestation of his abilities like Mashima's control manifesting as someone's guts being wrapped around their necks or Bomb flying around with explosions. Beyond that, I'm digging Mashima even more now. So I guess she's just a devil then?
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chiasaur11 posted:...Which doesn't exist? Nuclear weapons? I'm pretty sure nuclear weapons still exist. Please don't gaslight me, next you'll say it's fine if I let my kids look at the Southeast Star.
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Darth TNT posted:I'm actually disappointed by this, I didn't expect this to happen, but here we are. Disappearing devils must be an acquired power after they started fearing him. Now that Makima can remember them.
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Wouldn't surprise me if all the Devils/concepts that the Chainsaw Man ate would come back if he died/something would cause him to vomit. Like he's a walking Pandora's Box or something. It just seems like something like this would fit this manga.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:02
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Really disappointing that Chainsaw devil hadn't eaten the Star Wars devil and Makima's goal wasn't to revive it.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:18
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EmmyOk posted:I think the question is still why do devils care if you make those sacrifices. Can they use life force that’s given up? devils find it extremely funny to see a guy kill himself in their name
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Sep 11, 2020 13:35
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Huh. That was a lot of plot explained though with an obvious contradiction. Maybe it's just the translation. Lots of potential for tasteless designs for some of those lost devils.
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Sep 11, 2020 13:39
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Darth Walrus posted:Chainsaw Man = Doomguy confirmed, I guess. My thoughts exactly.
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New chapter Using nazism as an exemple of erased stuff from human collective memory was extremely bad, should've stayed with old recognizable events and made up ones (AIDS also) and Darth Walrus posted:Chainsaw Man = Doomguy confirmed, I guess. 
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Sep 11, 2020 14:53
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I hope there’s a flashback of him fighting the Nazi devil because I have to see what that even looks like.
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I thought that using Nazis as a thing that has been erased from the past, present and peoples memories is a shocking revelation, since it implies that WW2 either got retconned out of reality so to say or it got retconned into happening very differently. This, along with the fact that the concept of nukes got erased too, means this is an extremely alternate history world Chainsaw Man takes place in now. It'd be interesting to see a world map of Chainsaw Man's world, since something tells me its very different than ours. This chapter had some very cool world building stuff to me, the person who loves overthinking fictional worlds.
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RatHat posted:I hope there’s a flashback of him fighting the Nazi devil because I have to see what that even looks like. Like this, but a wolf and a swastika. 
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So we were assuming that "opening the door" would be transformation, a full grasp of his powers. Later we assumed it was his memories and what that would do to his mind. What if the pandora's box thing is, you know, actually what he means? What if the contract allows Denji to release all that consumed by the chainsaw back into the world? Devils are the power of a perceived threat and the chainsaw obliterates them from being a threat til they cease to exist at all, but maybe she's really messing with things out of her control here? Just a theory. This chapter is kinda oddly contradictory. Beam seemed to imply there's a more specific wish in mind, not general worship. Also people did say they believed it implied the world didn't exist like this until relatively recently. This kinda hints at that. I kinda think there's more going on anyway. Like I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of all this we find out Makima is just loving lying nonstop, just constant lies, like they're not even her dogs level lies
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I took it as everything she mentioned is real but the chainsaw devil erased it including the two not real things included.There’s no alt history more-so as theres history deletion going on for all its implications Edit: maybe the zoa and andolon syndrome are plot relevant things that help explain devil man and/or hybrid humans Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:50
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”The four fates besides death at the end of life” is some real “bwuh?” poo poo. It’s just so far outside of human comprehension
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The Lord of Hats posted:”The four fates besides death at the end of life” is some real “bwuh?” poo poo. It’s just so far outside of human comprehension Yeah it's so good. So with this chapter I really want to go back and see if we've seen Denji eat any devils while in his Chainsaw Man form. Ethiser fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 21:10
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Ethiser posted:So with this chapter I really want to go back and see if we've seen Denji eat any devils while in his Chainsaw Man form. Tomatoes no logner exist
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Sep 11, 2020 21:12
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I just want Kishibe somehow to pull through, however vanishingly unlikely that is
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Sep 11, 2020 21:16
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All Denji needs to do is eat the Death Devil, then all his friends come back and it turns out this was a prequel to Immortal Hounds all along.
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So like, Chainsaw Man ate the AIDS devil. So did the AIDS virus just vanish from existence? If CM ate the Gun devil, would guns cease to exist? Would humanity be able to reinvent guns? If he ate the Death Devil, would everything stop dying? Would people just forget about "death" and then when they see someone die, it's this huge revelatory thing? When the Nazi Devil (or Holocaust Devil, whatever) got eaten, was all references to Nazis and the Holocaust erased from history books and movies and such, I wonder? This is so fuckin wild, I love this series so much
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I feel like some of this is going to be the translation of Makima's info dump but I think that all of it exists physically, just the fear of that thing doesn't exist anymore. The devils being the fear of said thing, makes me feel like when they are erased then the fear of whatever it is goes. We're not nearly as afraid of nuclear weapons now as society was in the 50s, and there are any number of things cultures used to be afraid of that we just aren't afraid of any more. The stronger devils are things that people are far more afraid of now on a day to day basis. TL;DR: Chainsaw Man ate the Holocaust devil so now we got neo-nazis, probably. :/
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Robviously posted:I feel like some of this is going to be the translation of Makima's info dump but I think that all of it exists physically, just the fear of that thing doesn't exist anymore. The devils being the fear of said thing, makes me feel like when they are erased then the fear of whatever it is goes. We're not nearly as afraid of nuclear weapons now as society was in the 50s, and there are any number of things cultures used to be afraid of that we just aren't afraid of any more. The stronger devils are things that people are far more afraid of now on a day to day basis. Yeah I feel like this needs clarification via another translation. However, it really seems like Kishibe doesn't even remember that the holocaust happened, or what the Nazis even were. It comes off like all of humanity's memories of what the devil represented were erased, if not the entire concept of the thing itself. After all, if eating the AIDS Devil only removed humanity's memory of AIDS, then suddenly we'd be shocked by this crazy new disease showing up that nobody knows how to deal with, and we'd be back at square one of that crisis, and eventually a new AIDS Devil would appear as humanity begins to fear it again. Maybe by eating the AIDS Devil it does indeed erase AIDS from existence, so that there can never ever be another AIDS devil. That doesn't quite explain how things would work with man-made fears, such as guns. It may very well be possible that the laws of physics would shift to make it so guns couldn't exist.
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Edit: I reread it like 3-4 times just now and those panels seem to directly imply that if he eats the Gun Devil, guns will literally just have never existed which just loving what. Also, how the gently caress did Pochita happen because there's a lot of poo poo he erased before Denji showed up.
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So what happens if Chainsawman eats Power? Do humans just become full of sawdust?
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RatHat posted:So what happens if Chainsawman eats Power? Do humans just become full of sawdust? Lmao I hadn't thought of that. Presumably we'd uhh...have our biology replaced so that we don't need blood nor anything similar to blood. I kind of guess for HUGE changes like this (and something like Guns having never existed) the history of humanity would change, but not in such a way that the present day is meaningfully different. Wars had been fought with melee weapons and bows, of course! Your neighbor who once sold guns always sold crossbows, what's this "gun" thing you're talking about?
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Isn't it just the memory of such things no longer existing? Like it still happened it just gets removed from the collective consciousness
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Jerkface posted:Isn't it just the memory of such things no longer existing? Like it still happened it just gets removed from the collective consciousness That doesn't really make sense either though. Okay, humanity forgot about nukes. Until someone goes "hey what are these weird bomb things we have?" and then suddenly nukes are back on the table.
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Jerkface posted:Isn't it just the memory of such things no longer existing? Like it still happened it just gets removed from the collective consciousness Some of the things Makima listed are not things that would just go away if people all forgot about them.
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Maybe they're forgotten and cease to exist from that point forward in time. So nukes vanish as do the memory of them but the victims of them are still dead. The devil's vanishing doesn't seem like a long-term viable thing. Like does humanity just keep making up other things to be afraid of.
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Sep 11, 2020 22:50
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Thankfully Chainsawman ate the Plot Hole devil before the start of the series.
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What if Chainsaw Man ate the Shonen Jump Cancellation Devil... the implications are staggering
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I gotta say I did not have "Chainsaw Man is the shonen protagonist of Hell" on my bingo card. Makima just being a fan of his while hoping to use him to remove suffering from the world is a pretty sweet motivation, even if it wasn't really foreshadowed. Also jesus the intestine noose thing being the shonen protag scarf is incredible.
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I think it's more like that scene in Westworld "there's nothing there" the things just... stop existing for humans, you don't perceive it anymore and your cognition just does whatever mental gymnastics necessary to accommodate your new beliefs.
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RatHat posted:I hope there’s a flashback of him fighting the Nazi devil because I have to see what that even looks like.  ZZZorcerer posted:I think it's more like that scene in Westworld "there's nothing there" the things just... stop existing for humans, you don't perceive it anymore and your cognition just does whatever mental gymnastics necessary to accommodate your new beliefs. What happens if he eats Makima? Or Darkness? 
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Another thing is that AIDS is gone, not HIV. Try and parse how that would work.
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