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Lobok posted:Funny that it was done in 2006 when Jackie Chan already did the freezer door thing and the fridge door thing plus the fridge rack thing and also that thing where you catch a thrown TV using a fridge before obviously doing the thing where you trap a guy inside a fridge. Hell even Michael Mann had James Caan during the home invasion in Thief IIRC.
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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah looking at it more now oh my lord what were they thinking. Like Halloween Jack posted it really is one of those Black Belt Magazine THIS IS THE REAL poo poo scams. Given that it was Batman it would have been interesting to see if they did show the whole thing how the world would have reacted, like would we be seeing tons of keysi places in strip malls instead of Tiger Schulmanns? The Dark Knight had a restrictive suit too but I remember the action in that felt like a good balance, it has a lot of the same issues of folks waiting around for Batman to do a move on them or whatever but still a step up. The action overall in The Dark Knight is good because a lot of it has nothing to do with hand to hand fighting. Like, Batman dropping down onto the hood of the car is really really cool but doesn't require anyone to do flashy martial arts movies while in the bulky suit. Or all the stuff with the Batmobile. The actual fighting in TDK really is not good. Especially in hindsight now that we have seen the direction action films have gone since 2012. Kingsman and John Wick both came out two years later(not to mention The Raid before them, which arguably had the most influence of them all) and there's a different expectation now for those kind of scenes.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The simple fact is that if folks truly only care about the stunts, then we can abandon movies entirely and switch to raw behind-the-scenes footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso4iQFuAzM Neo Rasa posted:Yeah looking at it more now oh my lord what were they thinking. Like Halloween Jack posted it really is one of those Black Belt Magazine THIS IS THE REAL poo poo scams. Given that it was Batman it would have been interesting to see if they did show the whole thing how the world would have reacted, like would we be seeing tons of keysi places in strip malls instead of Tiger Schulmanns? quote:The 2006 movie The Sentinel has a lot of this. There's an "amazing" point where Michael Douglas has to escape a house or whatever and to get the drop on someone he opens a freezer door in someone's face. And I'm sad I can't find a clip of it on YouTube because it's really shot like a massive game changing moment out of nowhere with how plainly the rest of the movie is presented with super choppy slow motion and everything.
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The only time Keysi looked ok on screen was mission impossible 3 when the bomb gets activated in Tom Cruise's head and he is grabbing his head in pain while fighting. And I am not even sure if they were purposely using it or just scripted the fight scene around him being in pain.
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Basebf555 posted:The actual fighting in TDK really is not good. Especially in hindsight now that we have seen the direction action films have gone since 2012. Kingsman and John Wick both came out two years later(not to mention The Raid before them, which arguably had the most influence of them all) and there's a different expectation now for those kind of scenes. The fight in DKR with Bane is good because literally everything besides the actual choreography is good. The setting is awesome, the decision to just go totally diagetic with the soundtrack was very strong, the plot context brings incredible tension, and the centerpiece is Hardy's weirdo lilting Bane dropping bon mots like "let us not stand on ceremony, MR WAYNE" and "victory has defeated you" while Bale ramps up his desperate intensity to maximum. Great scene, despite the fact that the actual choreography is middling-to-poor.
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Halloween Jack posted:I would have enjoyed the scenes more if the finished product looked more like this, yes. That really does look better. I can't remember how it was in Civil War but in the first two Cap movies the sound mix was fuckin' awesome and did a lot of work for the scenes. Like when Cap running knees Winter Soldier into the van the shot isn't as cool as the angle they show it from in the stunt clip but in the moment even in the finished film it comes off really well. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The fight in DKR with Bane is good because literally everything besides the actual choreography is good. The setting is awesome, the decision to just go totally diagetic with the soundtrack was very strong, the plot context brings incredible tension, and the centerpiece is Hardy's weirdo lilting Bane dropping bon mots like "let us not stand on ceremony, MR WAYNE" and "victory has defeated you" while Bale ramps up his desperate intensity to maximum. Great scene, despite the fact that the actual choreography is middling-to-poor. It was so good, it's bad to rewatch because it really sinks in how Batman was in this near death enlightenment pit for weeks and finally pushes himself in such a hardcore way and so he can return to defeat Bane by...walking up to him throwing a few haymakers chipping off his little mouth pipe thingies. Like poo poo, Killer Croc would have just thrown a rock at Bane's face and ended him the first time around. Someone needs top design some outfit/material combination that lets someone look like Batman but also do something like the Raid hallway fight Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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https://youtu.be/rDuetklFtDQ Here’s the first Bane vs Batman fight. I love that it takes the piss out of Batman and I love whatever the gently caress Tom Hardy does with Bane physically and with the voice. I do agree while the choreography of the fight may be wanting, the psychology of what’s going on and how it’s filmed imo works to intended affect I agree with regards to the second fight, coregraphically I don’t see some kind of improvement after his time in the pit Gatts fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Someone needs top design some outfit/material combination that lets someone look like Batman but also do something like the Raid hallway fight
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Halloween Jack posted:I would have enjoyed the scenes more if the finished product looked more like this, yes. But that is not at all an accurate representation of how stuntmen work. There’s all kinds of trickery (and even with that, parts are very unpolished at this stage). The point is that Jackie Chan is extremely talented, but what he’s talented at is doing two or three cool moves at a time - over and over and over again - until they get the take that ends up in the actual film. Losing sight of that, we get these two extremes where, on the one hand, it’s imagined that ‘good’ actors are doing these incredibly elaborate ten minute chase sequences for real and, on the other, ‘bad’ actors need six cuts just to make it appear that one arm is moving. Neither of those things is true at all.
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CeeJee posted:Bey Logan
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So I think what Jackie Chan is really good at is knowing what he is good at when it comes to stunts and fighting/choreographing an awesome scene around it. His really good fights have a flow to them that requires the camera to be zoomed out to have an actual appreciation for what he is doing. Matt Damon might have known the moves and been able to do them well but the Bourne movies were shot in a way where the fast cuts made sense (and even then I don't think they were that bad). Now the taken movies are an example of horrible cuts to make up for the fact that the star is like 90 years old with no fighting experience.
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Narzack posted:Sorry, I know this is a few pages back, but do you guys like Bey Logan? I tried listening to his commentary on Hard Boiled, and turned it off a quarter of the way through. I couldn't stand it, it was just this dude endlessly telling you where every actor came from and every other movie he's in. Drove me crazy, I wanted to hear production info and narrative examination, not just an imdb actor's page read aloud to me. Putting aside the accusations of sleazy personal behavior, no I don't like him as a commentator at all. Dull as poo poo.
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I'm not 100% convinced, but I think this is a good point. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Putting aside the accusations of sleazy personal behavior, no I don't like him as a commentator at all. Dull as poo poo.
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midge posted:Crank 2 leans too far into straight up gross out poo poo and doesn't really have anything new to offer over 1. tbh, I kind of feel like the original Crank is way grosser, it's just more subtle about it. a lot of why I like Crank 2 is because the overtly gross aspects of it are, by and large, taking something that was subtly gross about the first one, exaggerating it to the point where it becomes surreal, and flipping the subtext on its head so that, even if it's too ridiculous for me to truly call it progressive, it's certainly not offensive anymore. like, the first one has a scene where Chev essentially rapes Amy Smart. it's not framed as rape, she "enjoys" it, and the movie basically just blows right past it, but it's very obviously rape to anyone who's paying even a slight amount of attention. Crank 2 takes almost the exact same set-up for the scene, and has Chev still act like a sex pest out of desperation to keep his heart going... but instead of a "cool, fun" sex scene, he starts rubbing himself against an old grandma and making a complete rear end of himself, and Amy Smart's character takes over and basically emasculates him in the process of loving him back to life. the first one has Chev be the "only real white man" in a world of horrible racist and homophobic stereotypes and constantly treat every one of them like absolute poo poo while stomping all over them. Crank 2 isn't any less broad or stereotypical in its depiction of minorities, and in fact, exaggerates it to levels that the first one couldn't even dream of... but then has them constantly be the ones to pull Chev's rear end out of the fire, portrays their weird qualities as fun and sympathetic rather than an object of mockery, and looks down hard on Chev for not realizing that they're basically carrying his dumb white rear end.
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Bourne movies were always lame. Cranks were entertaining at least.
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As spy thrillers they're really very good, I enjoy them a lot. I don't watch them for the action.
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To make the Jackie Chan fridge post I watched the hideout fight from Rumble in the Bronx again to make sure I didn't forget any of the good stuff and it's pretty much the shoe thing SMG was talking about. Tons of great inventive and skilled moves but they are all done individually and cut together quickly, there aren't any sequences where the camera hangs back far and wide and lets him do his thing for a while. He even does what I've seen him chide other movies for, where the punch and impact/reaction are separated as two different shots. The guy he punches isn't in his shot at all.
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B-Rock452 posted:So I think what Jackie Chan is really good at is knowing what he is good at when it comes to stunts and fighting/choreographing an awesome scene around it. His really good fights have a flow to them that requires the camera to be zoomed out to have an actual appreciation for what he is doing. Matt Damon might have known the moves and been able to do them well but the Bourne movies were shot in a way where the fast cuts made sense (and even then I don't think they were that bad). The thing to keep in mind here is that you’re talking about fight choreography and/or stunt coordination. On the Bourne films, that’s obviously not Matt Damon - it’s Jeff Imada. And then, fight choreography isn’t really closely tied to how a scene is shot or edited. You obviously need some awareness of how the camera is positioned for a given shot - but, at its most abstract, the fight choreography for a given sequence will be the same regardless of whether there’s one cut or one million cuts. (The discipline originated in live theatre, where there’s obviously no cutting at all.) So, when people ITT talk about “the action” as something that exists independent of anything cinematic, that’s what they’re talking about. But the vital thing to understand is that this “pure action” doesn’t actually exist as something you can watch. The choreography is only a set of instructions. This stuff also gets mixed up with other things, like the editing, or the execution individual stunts. So, although we’re theoretically talking about fight choreography, nobody’s comparing the work of different fight choreographers. Instead, we’re comparing Paul Greengrass’ editor to Liam Neeson and stuff like that. It’s also worth noting that Jackie Chan wasn’t a fight coordinator on Who Am I?; he was credited as one of four or five stunt coordinators on that film. That’s a similar job, but the difference in the name tells you the difference in emphasis. The Dark Knight also doesn’t have a credited fight choreographer.
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I signed up for Redbox a few weeks ago to stream Bad Moms for $2 and they kept sending me free rentals, so I'm a Redbox guy now. I also watched Escape from Pretoria, which is not an action movie but it is a prison escape movie and it was tense and enjoyable. Rogue (2020) - 3.5/5, Redbox DVD An unheralded gem. I had no expectations going in, and used a free Redbox rental to pick this up. I did not even conceive of what I was going to see on the screen. The plot seems totally standard for a direct-to-video action movie, at first, but then some insane plot beats kick in and lead to some of the truly worst CGI I have ever seen. And they aren't like "blink and you miss it" effects, they continually get several minutes of screen time throughout the movie. I was going wild. The gun action is excellent, the body count is extremely high, and the CGI is in service of "A Message." Rogue is ANIME. Rogue is also unquestionably one of the best action movies of 2020. Underwater (2020) - 2/5, Redbox DVD Visually interesting, and was able to jump-scare me some, but overall not in a genre that particularly interests me. It wasn't an action movie. Also, even though I don't watch horror movies much at all, it felt like this was the absolute most by the numbers plot progression possible. Did not feel like there was any new ground broken here. congrats to dude for getting out of the newsroom and into the mariana trench Beckman (2020) - 1.5/5, Redbox DVD OF COURSE I am going to spend one dollar to rent a CHRISTIAN ACTION MOVIE from Redbox. I could not resist. I expected one of the worst movies of the year. And honestly, this was far better than that. Obviously, the Christian angle of the story was a drag on it, and you have to sit through some literal sermon scenes in the first half hour. But the movie also does not hold back on the violence at all. I counted four on-screen kills, including several where you see bullets going into people. There were multiple fight scenes that were both well-choreographed and well-shot. Credit to Monte Perlman and G-Rod for their work. I enjoyed myself for the bulk of the movie's runtime. Billy Baldwin was also great chewing up the scenes with his over-the-top character. The biggest problem with the movie, other than the Christian elements, was that they didn't have the budget to do any practical gun effects so it's all badly computer-generated in post. Unfortunately far too common these days. So if I'm going to give other low-budget action movies something of a pass for complicated backstab plots where my eyes glaze over trying to figure out the story they're telling, I am willing to grant the same exception to a movie where my eyes are instead glazing over a the story of Moses or whatever. I do not regret spending one dollar to watch Beckman. https://twitter.com/Boco_T/status/1304819100376543233
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A Twitter convo with a friend about "what's the most forgettable movie you've ever seen?" led me to look up Ballistic: Ecks Vs Sever on YouTube, on the grounds that I knew I'd seen it but could remember literally nothing. The big chase scene that came up is basically one of my nightmares given form: that somehow, I would get the chance to direct a big-budget action film... and it would come out as lethargic and disjointed and dull as Ballistic: Ecks Vs Sever. Seriously, watch it. The supposedly high-speed motorbike chase is filmed largely in long, wide static shots, making it painfully clear that everyone involved is doing about 15mph and taking great care not to get remotely close to anything else nearby. It even makes cannon-flipping cars look boring.
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Jinnigan posted:Has anyone seen that Mulan film because I really need to bellyache about how miserable that action is I saw the 15 second clip of the arrow scene at the end. loving terrible.
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A clip of The Final Master was posted a while back and made me watch it, and it's an extremely dope blend of classic wuxia choreography with a very arthouse sensibility for moviemaking. This is exactly the kind of movie I was looking for. Give me more modern, non epically scaled kung fu movies about rival schools, nerding out about fighting styles and masters teaching students the ancient arts.
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Payndz posted:A Twitter convo with a friend about "what's the most forgettable movie you've ever seen?" led me to look up Ballistic: Ecks Vs Sever on YouTube, on the grounds that I knew I'd seen it but could remember literally nothing. The big chase scene that came up is basically one of my nightmares given form: that somehow, I would get the chance to direct a big-budget action film... and it would come out as lethargic and disjointed and dull as Ballistic: Ecks Vs Sever. I remember it mostly for being the first movie I ever saw that was actually taking place in Vancouver. And that the villain's plan was to convince Antonio Banderas his wife died and vice versa. Which must have been some weird funerals as the villain needs to carefully make sure half the family and friends go to either one and hope none of them ever mention it.
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Just watched Get The Hell Out and while not the most inventive thing in the world, has some solid action and some cute fourth wall breaking gimmicks. It's also one of the only action films I've seen where the primary martial art is pro wrestling moves. Are there any others like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HCVDOOnFlU
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In one of the action movie montages i watched on youtube (it helps me get to sleep, i cannot explain this) there was an interesting looking clip from an asian action movie. A guy with a shotgun is facing off against a whole heap of Armoured SWAT guys and using a blend of martial arts and the shotgun to keep knocking them down. It was only a brief clip, but it looked drat interesting, anyone know what I might be describing? https://youtu.be/3YVZWgo2-OE?t=594 It's this one. 9:54 in case the time thing doesn't work.
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I believe that movie is called Ajin: Demi Human
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Narzack posted:Ha, I watched this video the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-qajd9LEw and was also wondering what the clip at 14:00 is from. Turns out, it's basically the same scene you were talking about. Those are weirdly relaxing, right? It's not just me? Please tell me it's not just me.
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It's not just you. That's extremely satisfying.
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Now THIS is action https://twitter.com/Boco_T/status/1305876360947216384
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I recall From Dusk till Dawn having done the punch-shot stunt earlier, plus the scene is cloaked in a very watchable movie!
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dokmo posted:I believe that movie is called Ajin: Demi Human That's an anime, at least according to netflix, and that same movie is quoted a lot the shooty ASMR clip and I was wondering where it came from. Snowman_McK posted:Those are weirdly relaxing, right? It's not just me? Please tell me it's not just me. It's funny how often the same sounds are re-used though, some fun different gunshots but a lot of the same clanky clanky is re-used. And drat the clips from mysterious shotgun movie are awesome. Also, not to be creepy, but at one point there was a shot of 90's Gina Gershon I didn't recognize and I can't find it again. Remulak fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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New Adkins episode debuts soon. Can't say I've heard of the guest, I think he's someone that works with Gareth Evans.
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There's a live chat with Donnie Yen tonight at 9:30pm EST on Instagram Live if anyone's interested. 
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Boco_T posted:Now THIS is action Action essentials blood lmfao.
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Basebf555 posted:New Adkins episode debuts soon. Can't say I've heard of the guest, I think he's someone that works with Gareth Evans. gently caress, this episode rules, Jude is like a stunt encyclopedia. Also that Fatal Termination clip... 
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If anyone has an interest in Hong Kong action don't sleep on the Jude Poyer episode. He's a stuntman and choreographer and this isn't a normal interview episode, instead he breaks down great stunts from HK action flicks, including the 3 Moon Lee films and the most insane stunt involving a small child I've ever seen.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:gently caress, this episode rules, Jude is like a stunt encyclopedia. Also that Fatal Termination clip... That's quite something. It must have been too much for some as there is a 1h53 'full' Fatal Termination on Youtube and almost all of that scene was cut out.
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