COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Crazy stuff, I know!

gradenko_2000 posted:

is there anything to Bob Woodward being an intelligence officer prior to becoming a journalist?

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

I agree with what someone else posted earlier that he and Bernstein were not intelligence themselves but played by intelligence to intentionally reveal the wrongdoings of Watergate, as evidenced by their inability to any useful journalism before or since

Larry Celona on the other hand

Wheeee posted:

nut posted:

For my morning crack ping, I took a chance listening to a Kantbot podcast. The most recent is about JFK but they go all over the place and here is the greatest crack ping I've gotten from it so far:

Allen and John Foster Dulles worked as corporate lawyers for Sullivan & Cromwell before they ever joined the government, ultimately ending up as head of CIA and Secretary of State, respectively. After WW1, Germany was left not only with huge reparation payments they had to make, but also with the task of rebuilding Germany itself. Somehow, Sullivan & Cromwell secured the position to provide most, if not all, of the loans to post ww1 Germany, many using junk bonds.

Following history, the Nazis rise to power in a country that is ultimately owned by Sullivan & Cromwell. Despite the horror of the Nazis, corporate elites did not want to walk away from such lucrative contracts. For me, this pretext really reframes Allen Dulles' time in Bern as a member of the OSS, where one of his largest priorities is maintaining back channels to keep these unethical financial relationships alive.

gh0stpinballa posted:

iirc in the devils chessboard they say roosevelt wanted to fire dulles and dulles had a bunch of contacts talk roosevelt out of it time and again. but dulles was known as a guy who would run off and disobey orders so he could smuggle out nazis and such who would prove useful contacts in the years ahead, while sending falsified reports back to washington. operation paperclip was basically his payday for putting in so much work protecting nazis he knew he could do business with.

Wheeee posted:

nut posted:

he actually had his own nazi saving project called Operation Sunrise!

Wheeee posted:

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

The Nazis, for those not aware, were very interested in the occult- specifically Hitler and Himmler, and this is well documented. As far as how the occult factored into their motivations, that is harder to say, and that is evidently a bridge too far.

Douglas Dietrich was an interesting guy when I first read about him years ago, kind of like John Lear as far as putting out tons of disinfo and then maybe one or two things that are probably real. He claimed to work in document destruction at the Presidio under Michael Aquino. The fake stuff is not hard to figure out- his explanations for Roswell and the Battle of Los Angeles, pretty much anything Pacific Theater he talks about is the stuff of imagination. He does say one thing about Nazi Germany, and empires throughout history in general. This is not my theory:

The basic idea is that there is an entity/deity/powerful cosmic or mystic force that is satisfied by bloodshed and human suffering. This might be analogous to Moloch, maybe not. By providing forth the 'negative' energy of human suffering (and perhaps animal suffering as well)- fear, sadness, misery, the entity or beast or whatever is satisfied and as long as you satisfy it, it will favor your undertakings, so to speak. Dietrich says this manifests in the colonial ambitions of perhaps the Roman Empire, Great Britain certainly, and Nazi Germany's rise was an attempt to essentially steal away 'control' of that demonic entity by feeding it more souls and more death and more pain.

Ultimately, after Germany's defeat (and subsequent integration of German leadership into the US/NATO) the power that came away with the greatest dedication for misery and death was the United States, who as a result has current stewardship of the entity. The entity doesn't do anything good for the actual people who's nation it has in its thrall outside the small group who are intentionally consecrating it and are aware of the intent behind a military action or killing. Dietrich said it's akin to having a giant in a pinky cuff- the giant can snap it any time it wants and escape your "control", and it is never fully satisfied, and to have control over it is ultimately a problem for just about everyone. It's quite devilish.

Crazy stuff, I know!

Turtle Sandbox posted:

It sounds like the "cosmic entity" is a stand in for what is actually just the entirety of human actions on the planet taken in aggregate.

Helsing posted:

I think you'll find that the entity contacted John Dee on March 26, 1583 and gave him instructions to found a Luciferian world empire; later a breakaway faction of Dee's descendants crossed the oceans to erect a vast occult patterned streetscape on the banks of the Potomac; one day they'll flip the secret switch on the large hadron collider and a gateway to the entity's dimension will open deep inside the Gotthard base tunnel.

WEH posted:

Kyoon didn't even get popped for the conspiracy poo poo, they just wouldn't stop posting threads everywhere. Cuppy was happily contained.

Free Cuppy Tea.

Mameluke posted:

LK is the cabal's representative in C-SPAM and cuppy was posting truth

Helsing posted:

Gotthard tunnel

Happy Thread posted:

Can a mod please explain why that is a perma-worthy offense

Perry Mason Jar posted:

There were pages of people chastising others for "egging on mental illness" by engaging with cuppy thoughtfully or encouragingly, whereas apparently a permaban is presumably non-damaging? Let cuppy alone.

Helsing posted:

I think you'll find that the entity contacted John Dee on March 26, 1583 and gave him instructions to found a Luciferian world empire; later a breakaway faction of Dee's descendants crossed the oceans to erect a vast occult patterned streetscape on the banks of the Potomac; one day they'll flip the secret switch on the large hadron collider and a gateway to the entity's dimension will open deep inside the Gotthard base tunnel.

Fried Watermelon posted:

John Dee worked for Queen Elizabeth I and used rituals and psychedelic substances to communicate with "Angels". With the information they received he urged the Queen to create a "British Empire".



It's not surprising to think that the Nazi's also used psychedelics to communicate with "entities". This communication has been going on for thousands of years through the use of entheogens by many different cultures.

CIA also pursued communication with entities and using the Astral Plane during the 70's. They tried to use anything for an advantage.

I'd like to know who Epstein was trying to communicate with using his temple on his island.

nut posted:

try to stop me from taking drugs

Professorjuggalo posted:

I love cuppy but they had a clear chance to scale it back or switch lanes on that stuff but instead decided to reload with that legendary intro, even if I wanted them back too that grave is dug

taqueso posted:

You are going to be a super embarrassed intelligence outfit if your enemy has been astral spying on you and you didn't even think it was possible.