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This Is the Zodiac
Feb 4, 2003

anime tupac posted:

e: imagine expecting to see your cat and instead you're greeted by this monster fractal apparatus with its eyes constantly widening beyond measure and you just want it to go away
It's not so much looking at an actual cat and seeing a monster fractal apparatus, as it is "trying to imagine what a cat looks like and your brain telling you it's a monster fractal apparatus"

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Gripweed posted:

What's the deal with 8 Films to Die For? Is that stuff any good?

All I know is Lake Mungo only came to the US via 8 Films To Die For aka After Dark Horrorfest.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

All I know is Lake Mungo only came to the US via 8 Films To Die For aka After Dark Horrorfest.

That’s the only one I ever saw. Think it was a yearly film fest output like ten years ago? But not sure if it’s still around.

Lake mungo is absolutely worth watching though

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
I watched most of the ones that came out in the collection that year and none were nearly as memorable.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

All I know is Lake Mungo only came to the US via 8 Films To Die For aka After Dark Horrorfest.

Oh poo poo, yeah, I remember I could only find Lake Mungo in a 4 pack. The other 3 were not good. I'd forgotten that was part of the 8FTDF... collection? Label?

Ambitious Spider posted:

That’s the only one I ever saw. Think it was a yearly film fest output like ten years ago? But not sure if it’s still around.

Lake mungo is absolutely worth watching though

I keep seeing 8FTDF movies in DVD clearance sections.

Yeah Lake Mungo is fantastic.

Bert of the Forest
Apr 27, 2013

Shucks folks, I'm speechless. Hawf Hawf Hawf!
Re: Nicolas Cage pairings with Mom and Dad, while neither are straight forward horror each share a bit more in common with Mom and Dad in other regards:

Trespass - A pseudo home invasion thriller where Nicolas Cage and his wife navigate the situation with varying levels of madness and distress. I remember enjoying this one well enough and it’s not overtly comedic. Could pair well as a Nicolas Cage Marital Problems night.

Drive Angry - Much more of an action film but I remember two things, that they are driving away from hell itself and that Nicolas Cage is indeed, very angry. Pairs well as a Nicolas Cage Rage night.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

gey muckle mowser posted:

another poster brought up Jake being trans too, and the more I think about it the more I like that reading. I went in having read the book, which explains things more explicitly, so I wasn’t looking for those themes while watching it. Not sure I’m on board with the second half of your spoiler though, I think the film can be an exploration of Jake’s complex thoughts and feelings and memories without needing a diagetic explanation like drugs/hallucinations.

I’m glad people are liking it, I thought it was really great too.
Yeah it was me, and to be honest, I'm just digging more into on the rewatch. The film ends with Jake making a great discovery. His final monologue begins with, "I accept. I accept it all."

There is a thread for it down a ways.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


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Bert of the Forest posted:

Re: Nicolas Cage pairings with Mom and Dad, while neither are straight forward horror each share a bit more in common with Mom and Dad in other regards:

Trespass - A pseudo home invasion thriller where Nicolas Cage and his wife navigate the situation with varying levels of madness and distress. I remember enjoying this one well enough and it’s not overtly comedic. Could pair well as a Nicolas Cage Marital Problems night.

Drive Angry - Much more of an action film but I remember two things, that they are driving away from hell itself and that Nicolas Cage is indeed, very angry. Pairs well as a Nicolas Cage Rage night.

Drive Angry is a lot of fun but it's incredibly gazey/horny in a way that might not fly well with everyone's sensibilities.

Popelmon
Jan 24, 2010

wow
so spin

anime tupac posted:

I thought the original was fun as hell, but wasn't sure how an update would manage that, given that the timeline has apparently moved forward. Is it still 80s schtick?

It's an 80's horror sequel made for the Tick Tock generation. It kinda feels like a whole season of American Horror Story compressed down into one movie. That might not sound appealing but it really works. Killer Queen is the perfect sequel for The Babysitter and they work really, really well as a double feature if you're having a few beers while watching them.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

One of the AfterDark films Mulberry St was a vampire story where it was a rat infestation and I vaguely remember liking that one. But I might have just been responding to the idea.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy
Late to the party, but Green Room was intense

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqPnIcDW9g0

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit

Ambitious Spider posted:

Late to the party, but Green Room was intense

If you enjoyed Green Room's raw energy you'd probably also enjoy Blue Ruin by Saulnier.

Hold the Dark however was a weird letdown that I can't recommend in good conscious to anyone.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Ambitious Spider posted:

Late to the party, but Green Room was intense

this is the horror thread sir not the thriller thread :colbert:

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

TheOmegaWalrus posted:

If you enjoyed Green Room's raw energy you'd probably also enjoy Blue Ruin by Saulnier.

Hold the Dark however was a weird letdown that I can't recommend in good conscious to anyone.

i loved Hold the Dark. Better than Green Room even. Maybe I liked it more since, it the first Saulnier I saw, but that cast was so good.Been going though my netflix queue and I'm pretty sure blue ruin is on there, so i'll probably get to it in the next few days

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Kvlt! posted:

this is the horror thread sir not the thriller thread :colbert:

Calm down there Sonic the Hedgehog

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
tbh I feel like siege movies like Green Room, Us, The Purge, Assault on Precinct 13 etc kind of sit on a weird boundary between action, thriller and horror where you could conceivably call them any of the three and not be wrong.

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How do you tell the difference between a horror and a thriller?

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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The spooky music

WeaponX
Jul 28, 2008



Gripweed posted:

How do you tell the difference between a horror and a thriller?

How many ghouls does the film have?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The Silence of the Lambs is the best horror film ever made

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Gripweed posted:

How do you tell the difference between a horror and a thriller?

There are three types of thrillers:Spy, Erotic, and the kind people argue if they're actually horror movies or not.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Lid posted:

The Silence of the Lambs is the best horror film ever made

That's a funny way to spell, Tammy and the T-Rex

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


Get ready for Price Time, Bitch



If it has Michael Jackson in it it's a Thriller.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 14, 2020

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ambitious Spider posted:

There are three types of thrillers:Spy, Erotic, and the kind people argue if they're actually horror movies or not.

but what about Memento?

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Gripweed posted:

How do you tell the difference between a horror and a thriller?

after a bit of thinking, i feel like realistically speaking, thrillers are basically a name for the result of injecting action-movie elements into a "dark" (but relatively grounded, ie no supernatural elements) genre without going fully into action territory.

like, when you think of movies that are called thrillers rather than crime dramas, or horror movies, that's the common thread. for example, The 25th Hour would be considered a crime drama, but Heat is a thriller, because the latter has a lot more spectacle-filled shootouts in it. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is a horror movie, whereas Silence of the Lambs is a thriller, because the latter is about a heroic protagonist hunting the serial killer down, rather than the film just following the serial killer as he butchers people.

i think siege movies lay on a weird spot where you could conceivably argue them as full-on action, full-on horror, or thrillers, and Green Room is hard to pin down even within a hard-to-pin-down subgenre. it kind of bounces through all three at varying points in the movie. hell, the first act, before poo poo goes down, isn't even any of the three, it starts out as an indie mumblecore drama about a punk band. like i almost feel like its genre is "Green Room" more than anything.

WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Sep 14, 2020

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Hollismason posted:

If it has Michael Jackson in it it's a Thriller.



I would say that there’s at least one documentary with him that’s straight horror.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Gripweed posted:

How do you tell the difference between a horror and a thriller?
As mentioned, most thrillers don't really have horror elements. But thrillers often focus on a character who is an equal number to the threat. Like the TV series Criminal Minds includes a bunch of creepy horror supervillains who do poo poo like turn people into human puppets, but the show focuses on basically a superhero FBI team. So, it's not horror. The reason something like Silence of the Lambs feels a bit more like horror is because Starling isn't a superhero. The whole setup of the movie is that she's way over her head with this stuff and always at risk of going too deep with Hannibal. But obviously it floats the line.

I think where Green Room kind of floats on the line for me is that horror usually dealt with antagonistic forces that seem entirely insurmountable and not mundane (An unstoppable slasher, the devil, the inescapable existential nightmare that is being Frankenstein's monster, Ronald Reagan). As loving tense and terrifying as Green Room is, you get a sense of the captives and their own anxieties. The film makes the choice to make them mundane and not just ghouls.

But also Green Room's like really loving scary.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Criminal Minds is a publically digestoble torture porn to be honest. I put the whole thing in the same binas The Collector for series that are irredeemably narcissistic and nihilistic on the idea of pain and suffering.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Green Room made me feel the chills and thrills of a genuine spook-a-doodle, so I'm going to dub it an Honorary Horror Movie.

Unrelated, I recently watched Female Vampire because I thought I'd give Jess Franco another chance. I was totally underwhelmed with Bloody Moon but... at least that was a horror movie. Female Vampire barely qualifies as a movie, let alone a horror movie. I was expecting it to be similar in pacing and tone to something like a Jean Rollin movie, but it was literally just a softcore porn movie. It doesn't even really have a conclusion, it just sort of ends? At this point I wonder if I should even keep going with Franco's catalog, even though I'm a little curious about Jack the Ripper. But that's mainly for Klaus Kinski.

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
What about a movie like shutter island or freaks? It has horror elements but at the core it seems more of a thriller.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Or things like Collateral or Mulholland Drive or Children of Men or *googles* ... X-2: X-Men United?

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
I’m very mad that only Xtro 3 is on Amazon Prime, give us the full trilogy Bezos :argh:

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
I think you could call any David Lynch movie, with the exception of like three of them, a horror movie. Shutter Island is psychological horror, Freaks is "horror" in maybe the same way the old Grimm's fairy tales were "horror". Freaks is a moral fable where the bad guys meet a horrific end and poetic justice is served, and if it were a true story it would be horrible but it has that horror movie dream logic where you root for the freaks.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I think Green Room is a horror because it made me scared more than just about any horror movie I've seen. I don't think there's any real difference between it and any "lost in the woods and at the mercy of a psychotic group" movie is the setting.

I just rewatched Silence of the Lambs and like gun to my head I'd categorize it a "thriller" but also I don't mind putting it on the horror shelf at all and I feel like its weird that we split hairs with "thrillers" and yet like 4 out of giallos I see are basically thrillers.

Ultimately this is an argument that goes nowhere every time and now I've once again become part of the problem. I'm gonna go watch Hannibal and Red Dragon and judge them on their inferiority to teh series and lack of Laurence Fishburne more than when its genre is.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

STAC Goat posted:

I think Green Room is a horror because it made me scared more than just about any horror movie I've seen. I don't think there's any real difference between it and any "lost in the woods and at the mercy of a psychotic group" movie is the setting.

Seriously. Imagine if you replaced the Nazis with a group of hillbillies terrorizing a group of hikers and you have yourself a generic slasher movie. It transcends the slasher/home invasion template but it's definitely informed by those types of movies and remains close enough to the formula to be considered a horror movie.

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


If you put Halloween masks on the nazis in Green Room you'd basically have any movie in the vein of The Strangers etc.

I watched the Babysitter sequel, it was a lot of dumb fun

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Shadow in the Cloud might be the dumbest, most hilarious movie I've seen this year. It's like nine kinds of movie all crammed into 80 minutes and none of them make sense. I can't wait to watch it again. It was rewritten from a Max Landis script and it shows, but it's worth watching in spite of that. It's...a lot.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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RenegadeStyle1 posted:

What about a movie like shutter island or freaks? It has horror elements but at the core it seems more of a thriller.

You can't argue that Shutter Island is not a horror movie while saying that The Cabinet of Dr Caligari is. And it is.

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Bert of the Forest
Apr 27, 2013

Shucks folks, I'm speechless. Hawf Hawf Hawf!
Semantic arguments do indeed inevitably go nowhere but are admittedly very fun to think about and discuss.

I’d say horror is on a sliding scale dependent on several factors, roughly something like:

How powerless the protagonists are
How scared/fearful characters are
How fantastical/larger than life the threat is
How severe the threat is (life or death or goosebumps-grade social ostracization)
How prolonged suffering is/isn’t
How dark/spooky the general tone is

If something is like a zero on every factor then sure, I’d likely not consider it horror. But it’s not all or nothing. Green Room deals with very fearful and mooostly powerless protagonists, dealing with a grounded threat albeit with some exaggerated elements like some killer hound trainer and a conniving suave leader figure. The threat is life or death, with plenty of prolonged suffering, and it’s a plenty dark n spooky movie. Fits the bill well enough for me!

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