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tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
love the direction ricardo's character seems to be going

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Patware
Jan 3, 2005

i'm cracking up that there was a big long conversation about how one of the best boxers in history was also one of the most boring in history

and then we get this

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Yeah, somehow that conversation just keeps getting more prescient, holy lol


I do also like that Ricardo briefly puts forward taking hits as an option to up the excitement but immediately goes no, that's dumb.

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021
So basically Ricardo is Saitama now. I'm perfectly fine with this.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
He's been the undisputed champion for close to 13 years now. Of course he's probably got his way of doing things down to a science. Imagine if you worked on the same company, doing the same job for that long. A job that, while it might require for you to constantly perform some manner of self-actualization, has the same bare-rear end basics that never, ever change. You're gonna say "Wark, that's every job out there, you dumbass. Shut up and go back to your guitars/violin, you loving nerd!".

Here's the thing, though: Martinez is like that Karen Kim lady from Kill Bill when The Bride finds out she's pregnant...

Karen Kim, badass one-scene character posted:

Not that I need to at this range, but I'm a brain loving surgeon with this shotgun.

... he's El Diablo. He's Quetzalcóatl. He's the motherfucking Huitzilopochtli. When you get those nicknames and earn them, people tend to put you on a pedestal and you hafta keep a certain appearance. You have a rep to keep. Which obviously he has to find exhausting more than a little at times, so of course Martinez is gonna want to break outta that stiff point once in a while, but changing all of a sudden is not how most lauded veterans do things. So he's gotta try to do things his own way. He's got a rep to keep, after all.

And moreover, breaking out of a "rut", even if an insanely successful one, is hard as hell.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
he's too good at boxing to look cool. It's tragic.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
This may be the reason for his lack of ambition.

But honestly he probably needs try and unify his title in all of the boxing organizations and or move up or down a weight class. (Though that might be hard as Richardo is fairly old for a boxer.)

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
Either way, now we get to see Morikawa's side of the time old question, "How Would You Beat Floyd Mayweather".

Let's hope it's not too ridiculous and someone actually tries it in real life the next time Mayweather fights, for the lulz. =P

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken

Huzzah! posted:

chapter 1312
Ricardo briefly considers stealing a move from Ippo's playbook, getting punched in the face

He didn't get punched in the face, he avoided it. It's even explicitly stated as such.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Ricardo is also pretty clear that he can avoid punches like this on a whim, as getting hit would be 'letting himself get hit'

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Ricardo sucks and I hope he loses and cries a lot about it and everyone laughs at him

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

Vagabundo posted:

He didn't get punched in the face, he avoided it. It's even explicitly stated as such.

Try reading what Huzzah actually wrote.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Ah, the lament of the dominant champion. Hopefully Ricardo gets punched at least once.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
I dunno, if this is supposed to be as accurate to Mayweather as possible, the punches should be fast and weighty, but not like, Takamura-heavy. Mayweather has fragile hands, remember, and a lighter punch works psychologically to goad the other guy into going, "how am I losing to this guy that's not even punching me that hard?"

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I dunno, if this is supposed to be as accurate to Mayweather as possible, the punches should be fast and weighty, but not like, Takamura-heavy. Mayweather has fragile hands, remember, and a lighter punch works psychologically to goad the other guy into going, "how am I losing to this guy that's not even punching me that hard?"

its not an explicit mayweather reference. its just a coincidence a few of us noticed cuz we were talking about him and a fighter that uses the philly shell came up in the story right afterwards. i woudln't read any more into it

Huzzah!
Sep 15, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.
https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1305676326720827392

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
Just in case you don't click through and read the tweet right before those two:
https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1305676063398227968

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Oh wow, I might legit buy that.

Adnor
Jan 11, 2013

Justice for Daisy

Is it the LatAm Spanish dub? That's so cool.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Fabricated posted:

Oh wow, I might legit buy that.

Yeah, I can't remember the last time I actually purchased anime (especially with so much ending up on Netflix now anyway), but having all Ippo animations to skip through like a porno rewatching my favorite matchups would be pretty sweet. That goddamn season 1 theme music still gets to me :shobon:

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012
I have never seen dvd’s for this show and the dub isn’t great either (no surprise given the era), so that’s really cool they decided to do this.

Hopefully it sells well and they make more of the anime, but y’know skip a majority of the fights during Ippo’s OBPF era cause they really suck.

Actually just thinking, did anything really noteworthy or good happen until Volg won his championship match? Feels like the series really stalled around then for years and years.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

once again, i want to dive lost mind

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Asuron posted:

I have never seen dvd’s for this show and the dub isn’t great either (no surprise given the era), so that’s really cool they decided to do this.

Hopefully it sells well and they make more of the anime, but y’know skip a majority of the fights during Ippo’s OBPF era cause they really suck.

Actually just thinking, did anything really noteworthy or good happen until Volg won his championship match? Feels like the series really stalled around then for years and years.

Yeah that was definitely Ippo's Dark TimesTM. Miyata's last big fight was OK until the cop-out ending. Itagaki getting his poo poo wrecked in bullet time was pretty funny too. But Ippo himself had been boring for years before finally giving up the belt, and none of the other 3 gym mains have done anything of note in at least as long. The entire thread was pretty shocked at how good that random Volg fight was, it was like reading the manga from 10 years earlier.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Yeah honestly I prob would have bailed and picked this up again a couple (more) years down the line if the Volg fight hadn't been so good because by that point it had just been a few years of sub-par or just terrible fights and languishing plot.

Right now I am still only kinda catching up once every 2-3 months or so with it.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
the anime can still show those fights and truncate them a ton fwiw, so it might not be too awful. hni is so weird with this. whenever i talk to ppl i genuinely like, can't FULLY recommend the series bc of its length and extremely varying quality

the first 400 odd chapters are sublime, the next 400 are pretty awful, the third 400 are mostly good.

Bisse
Jun 26, 2005

Did not think Ricardo would be taken in this direction, but it makes so much sense and i'm loving it so far.

The HnI anime is a solid recommend imho, agreed on the manga though. Longer than One Piece and some serious dips in quality.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Just skip a few hundred chapters and come back for ippos retirement like I did

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Takes No Damage posted:

Yeah that was definitely Ippo's Dark TimesTM. Miyata's last big fight was OK until the cop-out ending. Itagaki getting his poo poo wrecked in bullet time was pretty funny too. But Ippo himself had been boring for years before finally giving up the belt, and none of the other 3 gym mains have done anything of note in at least as long. The entire thread was pretty shocked at how good that random Volg fight was, it was like reading the manga from 10 years earlier.
I think the Aoki's brother reveal was a more recent turning point. The thread actually changed that day.

BHB
Aug 28, 2011
Ippo's retirement and now very clear return are really artificial and dumb, but the events surrounding it have been pretty good and it's what got Morikawa to actually get the story moving again so I'd call it a net positive

Centzon Totochtin
Jan 2, 2009

Patware posted:

once again, i want to dive lost mind

i have never stopped rolling go

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
with a little perspective and time i'd unironically say most everything from the first alf fight onwards has been really good. i was getting testy for a while because i really just didn't trust that the story would be handled well, but it absolutely has imo. its obvious ippo will come back, but there's some interesting meta story going on w/ the author talking about himself i think and his own motivation for continuing to write

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Also there is a new chapter. http://hni-scantrad.com/eng/lel/?manga=Hajime+no+Ippo&chapter=Chapter+1313#page=1

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
So Morikawa's idea to beat Mayweather is "punch moar"

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I'm pretty certain the idea comes more from a place like not letting him take the lead for/"drive" (please note that I know precious gently caress-all about boxing terminology) the match. Like to gently caress up McCallum's flow.

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012
It seems to me that it's more the idea of not falling into self inflicted mindgames. Be willing to take the risk and fight on your terms or he's just going to control the pace of the match.

He thinks Ricardo has seen through everything he's done, so he's too afraid to make a move and how he's getting wailed on.

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

go the gently caress to sleep sendo

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Basically, while he'd definitely take damage opening up to fight Ricardo, he's got the entirely wrong mindset, Ricardo is trying to get him to fight for selfish, non-strategy reasons. But he's convinced himself that leaving the defensive will open him up to a counter. Ricardo wants to be the kind of boxer Gonzales or Sendo are, but he also admits that, frankly, if he was getting hit like that, it'd be on purpose, as he's too good of a boxer to actually fall into a slugging match like that, and his own pride wont ever let him box 'stupid'

It's incredibly fascinating for the character, He wants someone at his level to challenge him, but quite frankly there's no one at his level. If he was seeking a greater challenge he'd have to move up a weight class, but it's very likely that he's at a healthy, natural weight where he is, so pushing up a weight class would essentially be 'boxing stupid'

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
It's neat but the obvious telegraphed solution to this is to power through his punches with burning samurai spirit to overwhelm his mechanically perfect defense.

Bisse
Jun 26, 2005

Fabricated posted:

It's neat but the obvious telegraphed solution to this is to power through his punches with burning samurai spirit to overwhelm his mechanically perfect defense.
Ricardo is already showing himself taking stupid risks for stupid reasons. Sure he didn't get hit this time by Billy's rights when he knowingly jumped right into a trap to wring out a fiery moment. But i'm sure whoever faces him next will exploit his Desire for Fire in some fashion to nail that crucial first hit and knock him off center.

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Bisse
Jun 26, 2005

SwissArmyDruid posted:

So Morikawa's idea to beat Mayweather is "punch moar"
If you haven't tried any martial art, its hard to really understand how terrifying it is to stand at the business end of punches from a good boxer. That poo poo hurts even when blocked, and your mind will start imagining what will happen if you get hit. Everyone has a breaking point for how long they can stand cornered and defend against punches like that, tension exhaustion pain and fear will get to you and you'll want to do something to break the tension. So this is actually a reasonable way to open up a defense. However it'll burn through your stamina fast, and also its a cartoonish scenario to have a top defender pushed permanently against the ropes against an opponent that's just magically so much better that any move except total defense will get him hit.

Bisse fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 16, 2020

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