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If they are limited to 50 players max per server. How many instances are they having to spin up for the free fly periods? It can't be a small cost. For that matter I would love to see their AWS bill.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:07
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monkeytek posted:If they are limited to 50 players max per server. How many instances are they having to spin up for the free fly periods? It can't be a small cost. For that matter I would love to see their AWS bill. Chris Roberts claimed about 30,000 unique accounts daily and up to 100,000 unique accounts at the highest point of events. Of course, that isn't daily concurrent, but free fly periods could probably have 10,000 or so people online at the same time.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:16
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MedicineHut posted:The Angry Joe gang reacts to Crobbers ramblings Thanks for the captioning. 
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Sep 15, 2020 17:21
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quote:If the community were more mature then CIG's communications would be no problem at all! quote:That is because of the haters, brigading, and trolls that we've seen for YEARS and YEARS and nothing has been done about them. We are FED UP with this poo poo. You want a place where you can discuss things critically without getting those attacks? Lets first deal with the REAL problem, then we can try and heal the wounds that have been left gaping for loving YEARS here. quote:Yep. If we don't deal with the haters, then the people who are here because they love this game and CIG are going to have less and less patience for negativity of ANY kind, no matter how well intentioned. quote:Those attacking people (like myself) who are zealously in support of Star Citizen exist BECAUSE of the haters, trolls, and cult-of-scam-citizen brigaders who are allowed to participate here. Remove them properly, ban them, prevent them from coming here and ruining this community, and people like us will have no complaints and we'll be happy to contribute to your constructive criticisms. quote:Lies are intentional. You are wrong. You cannot accept it, but you are actively part of the problem here. quote:How about the hundreds of things they HAVE delivered, in quality and quantity. What about the things they're doing that NO COMPANY DARES DO?
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Sep 15, 2020 17:25
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Sep 15, 2020 17:26
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Sunswipe posted:"Noteworthy." it is noteworthy. the problem is that they'll either not work, work poorly, be hard to click because of the fuckhuge "insight" text, or be less convenient than pressing a key. and also it'll take them 17 years to add them to the other ships.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:27
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Whole lot of "heal the wound" "pull the knife out of the wound" talk going on here. Anyone else getting a really creepy vibe?
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Sep 15, 2020 17:30
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MedicineHut posted:The Angry Joe gang reacts to Crobbers ramblings He totally rips them a new one, but the whole "I don't think its a scam.... but they're selling virtual land in a game that doesn't exist and its horseshit" Yeah the word for that IS "scam" Just call it what it is. Maybe in year-1 Roberts had an inkling to make a game, but here in 2020 its very clear he's not even trying. CIG exists to get money from backers, not to make games.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:39
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monkeytek posted:Whole lot of "heal the wound" "pull the knife out of the wound" talk going on here. quote:When it matches nearly word for word the attacks of absolute haters and trolls who have nothing but ill will for this community and CIG and the game itself, no, it really is not pathetic.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:40
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DigitalPenny posted:What gets me this was a reply to why air is randomly scattered around in the game and doors dont work. The doors work fine! In fact everything works better than you can imagine!!! (Ignoring the result that if its not fun, its not fun, and so "this isn't a bug its a feature" actually means the game design itself is rotten, but Roberts can't see that) monkeytek posted:If they are limited to 50 players max per server. How many instances are they having to spin up for the free fly periods? It can't be a small cost. For that matter I would love to see their AWS bill. Ahhh, I think you're on to something. Running servers is expensive. This explains everything! Roberts is designing the game to be as un-fun as possible to save on server costs!
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Sep 15, 2020 17:40
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SHUN THE NON BELIEVER SHUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN
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Sep 15, 2020 17:47
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I have my magnifier out but still cannot see: Fun
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Sep 15, 2020 18:10
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Zaphod42 posted:He totally rips them a new one, but the whole "I don't think its a scam.... but they're selling virtual land in a game that doesn't exist and its horseshit" I think they want to do without the raging backers and the threats in the comments. But yeah, they pretty much said "I don't think it's a scam, but really it is".
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Sep 15, 2020 18:19
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JugbandDude posted:Going back in time, since Store Citizer was announced in 2012, I have: thats fun, because since sc was announced i... 1) Moved back to my parent's place because my job then made me sick 2) met, loved and lost my dreamgirl (she is married to an actor from switzerland now) 3) got hospialized because of a complete breakdown 4) found a new job which is okay i guess 6) Bought two motorbikes 7) Adopted the lifestyle of a hermit lol, i wish you all the best in any case!
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Sep 15, 2020 18:27
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peter gabriel posted:chrispire.txt That power conduit is powered by the worst type of electricity.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:29
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:That power conduit is powered by the worst type of electricity. It's shrinks by a third every decade
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Sep 15, 2020 18:37
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Bumble He posted:thats fun, because since sc was announced i... should've bought an 890?
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I like how in Star Citizen, the people who have expectations and want results and want accountability are the people who need to be removed.  Like, outside of the CEO posters who agree everything is ok, I hope they realize the absence of these people is why you are nearly a decade into development with almost nothing working, and the ceo is attacking backers and going on tirades about ship rooms that have gas levels in them and that it's totally working just not really, and how dare you question them. SC1 could have been done by now as a freelancer clone with a new paint job. SC2 could be who knows what. By claiming to be great does not make one great, which is exactly what CR does. Like seriously, what kind of MSDOS level skills do people think he has to contribute to any modern game engine? What kind of 90's level programming makes him the purveyor build the most complex MMO the world has ever seen? When he played his game once and looked like he never used a computer for a decade, never saw his own game running before, and was bewildered even buy stuff like the chat system, what filled you with confidence? Nearly a decade in and you've got what amounts to amateur hour level programming and modding with good artists behind it. No MMO or even a framework for one. Random kitbashed systems that aren't linked or have the bare minimum of connectivity to the point some things just don't work outside of singular expectations that were specifically programmed in for that one system. The complete and utter ability to show a roadmap... realize this isn't something that shouldn't have ever not existed. This is like core level foundations for what needs to be built and when and how. This isn't just something you make suddenly 8 years in. The only thing... the literal only thing, CIG wants is to convince you that they are making progress y so you keep spending money. Actual progress is not required, and can even hurt the appearance of, fake progress. This is 8 years of faked progress to convince you that a project is doing good enough to spend money on. Now even faking progress is progress, because something has to come together. But there's no core to any of it, no big goal. Each milestone is just "convince people this feature works great", and you all know how that goes. Without advanced knowledge, the game is so shoddy you're getting tutorials about how to kill people in non combat zones while you can't even figure out hope to operate an elevator panel. Sure you can save it, and contrite to fake progress, but both of these is years... decades or more, away. Even if they tried to get stuff in and made a genuine effort... you're looking at a decade at least to get a solid core and maybe half of the junk promises so far.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:41
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yeah but chris made a post the other day that says they're working on pipes and stuff you can't rush dreams?
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Sep 15, 2020 18:47
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Inacio posted:it is noteworthy. https://imgur.com/a/BlvZqPU yep lol
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The Titanic posted:I like how in Star Citizen, the people who have expectations and want results and want accountability are the people who need to be removed. quote:Its a good drat thing you don't have accountability then. Your trying to hold them accountable for things they've no need to be held to. If people like you were making an impact on CIG, you'd be harming the very game you claim to want not to fail.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:51
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I know y'all don't know me because I mostly lurk, but I just wanted to apologize for doubting any of you. It's not that I expected Star Citizen to be good but I thought there surely had to be some comedic hyperbole going on. There was not, and if anything y'all are underselling what a pile of poo poo it is. It occurred to me while manually uninstalling (since they can't even get that right after 7+ years) that a game hasn't made me this angry since I was a controller-throwing child.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:56
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Not only have the been working on a new roadmap since January, but it's actually been a TOP PRIORITY from Crobbear himself. A ROADMAP TOP PRIORITY FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS 10 YEARS INTO DEVELOPMENT IT STILL DOESN'T EXIST Nicholas fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 19:15
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Inacio posted:yeah but chris made a post the other day that says they're working on pipes and stuff you can't rush dreams? I liked his post because it showed that Star citizen will never be a CIG product. It's a CR product. If they lose CR they're going to lose all that sweet backer money also. And this isn't a dream so much as a kick the can down the road as long as possible. And yes, they can continue do that. Nothing says they are making a fun experience where an inordinate amount of time is spent talking about how a bullet will pierce a ship and affect a system and eventually it will break and people will have to put on suits to go solve the problem while argon levels are going bonkers. Like the thought here is that in a fight, one bullet is going to cause this cascade of gameplay things you see. Like the guy attacking you is just going to stop because his one bullet hurt you, and give you time to do all this movie-level stuff that will never happen. What will happen is ships will shoot at each other until one of them goes boom. I guess in the aftermath the one that didn't go boom can do all this great cinematic stuff and heal their ship in a super tedious way... but what about your second battle? What about the 100th kill you've made, and you know that you have to climb back into your suit to get to the no pressure zone to hold you mouse button down on the damaged component until a "fixing" bar goes to 100%? Everything CR has ever said sounds great until you actually put it into context of a video game. Where you have to do "some action" pretty often. Everything he describes is a movie thing. Where the heroes do it exactly once, and it has meaning because "drama". But in a video game, where you could be replaying the same movie sequence over and over 100's of times or more... it's not so awesome. But that would take somebody asking CR about how he sees this stuff going down for like your dozenth fight, and how that's going to be fun to keep people playing the game and how it will somehow all tie back together. Maybe in like some kind of design document or something where all this is laid out and makes sense. It's all good though. This stuff isn't made to be fun, it's made to make it sound like it's something more than it is (hitting use on a broken piece of wall until it is healed).
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Wintermutant posted:I know y'all don't know me because I mostly lurk, but I just wanted to apologize for doubting any of you. It's not that I expected Star Citizen to be good but I thought there surely had to be some comedic hyperbole going on. There was not, and if anything y'all are underselling what a pile of poo poo it is. It occurred to me while manually uninstalling (since they can't even get that right after 7+ years) that a game hasn't made me this angry since I was a controller-throwing child. Wintermutant, his eyes open.
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The Titanic posted:But that would take somebody asking CR about how he sees this stuff going down for like your dozenth fight, and how that's going to be fun to keep people playing the game and how it will somehow all tie back together. Maybe in like some kind of design document or something where all this is laid out and makes sense. The sad part is, the developers in the company are also probably reading this stuff for the first time. It's either Crobbler's last night's dream or something he thought up at some point, maybe thrown around in a meeting or a chat specifying that "it's not a joke!" and... that was it. No design document, no details of how it would fit in the game context, no consideration of the complexity it adds to the mechanics, the new hellscape of bugs it will introduce, the tediousness, the slowdown of the action. Or the fact that technically they can't even properly implement basic stuff on a level beyond tier zero. It's still the logic of "just do it, alright I'm heading out now, see ya".
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Sep 15, 2020 19:32
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Popete posted:Star Wars Squadrons is gonna own and you nerds are gonna be stuck playing Star Citizen free train events One does not simply play Star Citizen free train events.
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Sep 15, 2020 19:51
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ah still going hard with that tape deck in a toyota look from the early 90's I see oh and ping... pinging in space... like a submarine ? give it up crobbler, no one wants to play submarine hunter in SPACE you total git
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Sep 15, 2020 20:08
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AbstractNapper posted:The sad part is, the developers in the company are also probably reading this stuff for the first time. It's either Crobbler's last night's dream or something he thought up at some point, maybe thrown around in a meeting or a chat specifying that "it's not a joke!" and... that was it. Or the fact that even if it worked perfectly from a technological standpoint, it would never happen during gameplay in a million years. It's funny, but Chris doesn't know what a movie is OR what a game is. I'm not sure how you go through life imagining you have these "passions" and the whole time you're scamming others, you're primarily scamming yourself.
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Sep 15, 2020 20:19
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Inacio posted:yeah but chris made a post the other day that says they're working on pipes and stuff you can't rush dreams? Star Citizen: It's all pipes dreams from here on.
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Sep 15, 2020 20:41
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Wintermutant posted:I know y'all don't know me because I mostly lurk, but I just wanted to apologize for doubting any of you. It's not that I expected Star Citizen to be good but I thought there surely had to be some comedic hyperbole going on. There was not, and if anything y'all are underselling what a pile of poo poo it is. It occurred to me while manually uninstalling (since they can't even get that right after 7+ years) that a game hasn't made me this angry since I was a controller-throwing child. Ayyyy it's legit shite
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Sep 15, 2020 20:43
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All that poo poo that Chris wrote about his "room system in combat" is not even 'never been done before'. It's just a Chris Roberts way of making a poorly thought out 'sim' version of a system of which is already in Sea of Thieves. Sea of Thieves you go into combat with another ship and has you get hit, you get holes that allows water to start to full your ship. Someone on your crew has to patch these holes before you take on to much water and sink. Once the holes are fix, or as they are being fixed, the water must be bailed out. All while you maybe still in combat - which, unlike Star Citizen - can include enemies boarding you ship and fight man to man. (Or they may just look to steal your chests). This is all relatively fun due to it being executed with a level of gameplay balance and presented in a fun stylistic way. Am I right about that, that really that is what Chris is saying - that he wants to be more like Sea of Thieves?
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Kosumo posted:All that poo poo that Chris wrote about his "room system in combat" is not even 'never been done before'. someone insert that picture of chris in the space submarine looking up towards the 'ceiling' being like "SHHH EVERYONE SHUT UP OR THEY'LL HEAR US AND DROP SPACE-DEPTH CHARGES!" did i dream that?
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Star Citizen is the video game re-enactment of Sunset Boulevard. Croberts is Norma Desmond. The backers are Max. Sandi is Joe.
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Blue On Blue posted:someone insert that picture of chris in the space submarine looking up towards the 'ceiling' being like "SHHH EVERYONE SHUT UP OR THEY'LL HEAR US AND DROP SPACE-DEPTH CHARGES!" Are you thinking of the scene from the WC movie?
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Sep 15, 2020 21:35
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peter gabriel posted:I have my magnifier out but still cannot see: It's just next to "Finished"
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Sunswipe posted:Are you thinking of the scene from the WC movie? probably, it sounds stupid so most assuredly it was in his movie
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Sep 15, 2020 21:44
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Kosumo posted:All that poo poo that Chris wrote about his "room system in combat" is not even 'never been done before'. Now imagine that each component (bucket) you use to fix the ships systems (holes) costs a few dollars and that's closer to the SC experience.
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Blue On Blue posted:probably, it sounds stupid so most assuredly it was in his movie Oh, it was. I can't find the scene on Youtube, but there's a sequence where the good guys have to stay quiet in their spaceship so the space cats can't hear them in the vacuum of space. It's mind-blowingly loving stupid. And I'm pretty sure Ben Lesnick has written at length about why actually, no, it totally makes sense and you just don't understand Chris Roberts' brilliance.
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