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bawfuls posted:Tatis went 1 for 12 in the series and is in the midst of quite a skid. Is Mookie gonna snag the MVP in the final week? Outside of ~The Dodgers~ I'm not sure why Mookie would win it over Freeman, who is beating him in all three slashline stats, wRC+, K%, BB%, and fWAR:  e. Actually wow I keep looking at this and I didn't realize Freeman was this good this year. I've basically heard nothing about him in the MVP race: it's all been Mookie and Tatis. Is it just big market/narrative hype or something? Freeman's offensive numbers are loving insane.
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bawfuls posted:Tatis went 1 for 12 in the series and is in the midst of quite a skid. Is Mookie gonna snag the MVP in the final week? Freddie Freeman won’t win it but there’s a case to be made for him. edit yes, beaten
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euphronius posted:Is frank the only other two league MVPer when Mookie wins
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Sydin posted:Outside of ~The Dodgers~ I'm not sure why Mookie would win it over Freeman, who is beating him in all three slashline stats, wRC+, K%, BB%, and fWAR: bawfuls fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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bWAR cares way more about defense than fWAR, yeah. It is interesting that BRef has Mookie as worth 0.7 dWAR but Fangraphs has him at -0.5 Def value. loving defensive stats, man.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Defensive Metrics Are Bullshit
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I don't think there's yet been a clean way to put the data into WAR, but the Statcast outs above average strikes me as the best of the available defensive metrics. All I know is you can not convince me Mookie has been below replacement level on defense, that is an absurd result. edit: maybe people are discouting Freeman's .372 babip? It's probably just "no one cares about Atlanta" though Don't worry though, Bob has assured Freddie will win it now https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1306379855156506624 bawfuls fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Chamale posted:It's so obviously a move to increase playoff revenue and decrease the incentive to pay free agents. I hope the union has the balls to go on strike if they need to for a better bargaining agreement. I don't see how expanded playoffs means teams would spend less. The big payroll clubs will still compete for the top FAs, and there would be like twice as many teams with a shot at the playoffs who would have more of an incentive to sign some guys. Seems like the larger playoff field would drive up FA spending, if anything. This might blow your mind but Bob Nightengale is wrong about something  (Tatis is 9 for 45 this month)
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Why spend money when the entire thing is a crapshoot based on the indefatigable randomness of 1-3-5-7 game samples
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The Pussy Boss posted:I don't see how expanded playoffs means teams would spend less. The big payroll clubs will still compete for the top FAs, and there would be like twice as many teams with a shot at the playoffs who would have more of an incentive to sign some guys. Seems like the larger playoff field would drive up FA spending, if anything. You don't need to spend a lot to get into the playoffs, you just need to be slightly better than less than half the other teams. Once you're in the playoffs it's mostly a crapshoot that any team has a chance of winning. It gives owners an excuse to not spend money to push the team to the top cause "hey we made the playoffs last year!".
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lol at having to explain the crapshoot nature of the MLB postseason to a Giants fan that's a bit too on the nose
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The crap shoot nature was acceptable when legit good teams made the pakyofds only
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yeah legit good teams like the 88 win Giants and 83 win Cardinals
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bawfuls posted:yeah legit good teams like the 88 win Giants and 83 win Cardinals Wild card is garbage
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You think Harper, Machado, Rendon (or guys who got mega-extensions like Trout, Arenado, etc) would've got less money if there were more playoff teams every year? Not being contrarian, I legit don't understand the argument.
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euphronius posted:Jesus Mookie was ridiculous in 2018 
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The Pussy Boss posted:You think Harper, Machado, Rendon (or guys who got mega-extensions like Trout, Arenado, etc) would've got less money if there were more playoff teams every year? Not being contrarian, I legit don't understand the argument. edit: although I think over time those guys would lose out as well. If there really is no incentive to be any better than .500 then why bother with anyone who's reached free agency at all? bawfuls fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Popete posted:You don't need to spend a lot to get into the playoffs, you just need to be slightly better than less than half the other teams. It’s really not even that, if there’s 16 team playoffs there’s probably only 3 or 4 exceptionally bad teams who start the season as confident non-contenders. You can always go to the media and fans after winter meetings and say with a straight face “I feel good about our playoff chances with the squad we’ve got, and once we get there anything can happen.” Of course, they all say this already, but now it actually won’t be a lie. General Dog fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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bawfuls posted:yeah legit good teams like the 88 win Giants and 83 win Cardinals They won the world series therefore
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Well Yu just got a huge boost to his Cy chances given deGrom's start tonight.
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Popete posted:The Dodgers clinched tonight??? Didn't we start the season like 2 weeks ago? The season only has 2 weeks left????? This is an insane abbreviated fake season. Unless the Giants outlast the Dodgers in the playoffs, in that case it's Real.
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So are the Jays just coasting knowing they have an 8th seed pretty much sewn up and will take this time to heal up Rowdy and Teoscar for the playoffs? Because I can't really fault them for that. But yikes! https://twitter.com/KOAS1963/status/1306400990954958848
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I love watching Luke Voit hit dingers but tonight was especially majestic: 47 degrees! 178 foot apex! 7 second hang time! https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1306400473960853506?s=20 
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Ammat The Ankh posted:This is an insane abbreviated fake season. Unless the Giants outlast the Dodgers in the playoffs, in that case it's Real. They’ve also been stomping the entire league all season, they’ve only lost like 2 series and back to back games maybe like 3 times. Even if it wasn’t hellworld it’s still pretty impressive.
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Inspector_666 posted:I love watching Luke Voit hit dingers but tonight was especially majestic: It's pretty amazing that Voit and Urshela are both 100% legit star players and they got them for nothing.
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Buxton hit his 10th home run tonight which if you project that out over an entire season would be 15 for him this year. Pretty nice for a guy who would be hitting 8th or 9th in our normal lineup
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IcePhoenix posted:Buxton hit his 10th home run tonight which if you project that out over an entire season would be 15 for him this year. Pretty nice for a guy who would be hitting 8th or 9th in our normal lineup The closest he came to a full season, 2017, had him put up similar numbers to this year. As we've been saying since he came up... is this the year Byron Buxton figures it all out?
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bawfuls posted:I don't think there's yet been a clean way to put the data into WAR, but the Statcast outs above average strikes me as the best of the available defensive metrics. All I know is you can not convince me Mookie has been below replacement level on defense, that is an absurd result. Defense in WAR is based on an average fielder. It's saying he's been slightly below average, which isn't that absurd in sss
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IcePhoenix posted:Buxton hit his 10th home run tonight which if you project that out over an entire season would be 15 for him this year. Pretty nice for a guy who would be hitting 8th or 9th in our normal lineup should have been 11 if not for the weak "stuck ball" ruling 
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Don't a lot of defensive stats take multiple seasons to be regarded as stable? I feel like just in general, even if the stat is decent, fielding stats in an abbreviated season are just going to be innately shaky
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A talking coyote posted:They’ve also been stomping the entire league all season They’re just playing the West teams though aren’t they?
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A talking coyote posted:They’ve also been stomping the entire league all season, they’ve only lost like 2 series and back to back games maybe like 3 times. But yeah they've only played West teams cause it's 2020. The best team they've played is SD, going 6-4. They will see Oakland for the first time next week (when playoff seeding reeeeally won't matter). Otherwise their competition has been pretty soft, such is the nature of this season. What's wild is they have a .700 winning percentage despite how many good Dodgers haven't really played well this year. Bellinger, Pederson, Lux, & Muncy are all having kinda down years at the plate. Buehler has never looked right and is now struggling with a blister. Kenley is really inconsistent, etc. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Milovan Drecun posted:Defense in WAR is based on an average fielder. It's saying he's been slightly below average, which isn't that absurd in sss I mean, it’s absurd to me, a person who has watched every dodgers game. Defensive metrics are trash
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