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GoGoGadgetChris posted:this show is so good it makes HBO's the Watchmen look like Alan Moore's the Watchmen Amazon Boys is to Moore's Watchmen as HBO's Watchmen is to Ennis' Boys 
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Sep 16, 2020 19:55
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Bust Rodd posted:Watchmen pretty clearly had a message that ended up, uh, becoming completely hyper relevant only a few months after it was being criticized as “heavy handed”. More  black female cops now
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Sep 16, 2020 20:07
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Bust Rodd posted:Nah, The Boys is extremely entertaining but I really don’t get the sense that it’s trying to “say something”, just trying to tell this awesome story. ahahaha what the show is so filled with social critique it's amazing there's screentime for anything else.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:07
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Man I forgot how bad HBO Watchmen's ending was. Classic Lindelof.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:09
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Utgardaloki posted:ahahaha what Yeah I think that’s incidental to the narrative as opposed to deliberately interwoven into the narrative the way it is in Watchmen. I think both shows are poking the bear, but The Boys is doing it as a backdrop to their story, whereas I think Watchmen was using its story as more of a backdrop for social commentary. I think both shows are approaching a lot of the same ideas from the exact opposite ends of the entertainment spectrum and I love both shows for their strengths, not their weaknesses.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:10
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Arglebargle III posted:Man I forgot how bad HBO Watchmen's ending was. Classic Lindelof. His better half is crushing it with Lovecraft, though!
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Sep 16, 2020 20:11
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DogsInSpace! posted:Or he brings out an 80s boombox and plays some Peter Gabriel. Sadly he chooses "Sledgehammer" so the message gets muddied. The Ozzy cover was great. Honestly that whole Under Cover album was perfect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brz9N0O_DD8
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Sep 16, 2020 20:16
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok I thought you were saying "People cannot consent to supes due to power imbalance" which is completely different from "Homelander isn't emotionally stable enough to have real relationships" It's kind of an interesting question, at least in Homelander's case. No one's going to say you can't consent to sex with The Rock because he's bigger and stronger than you, but then we live in a society and there are systems that can theoretically protect you if The Rock tries to threaten you into consent. With Homelander, there is basically no possible way to stop him if he feels like doing something awful. It's like the boat episode of Always Sunny -- sure these girls could say no, but y'know, we're out here at sea, no one's around to help them, things could turn really ugly all of a sudden, so they're not gonna say no because of The Implication. Homelander basically spends his entire life on a boat, in that sense.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:17
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Phenotype posted:It's like the boat episode of Always Sunny -- sure these girls could say no, but y'know, we're out here at sea, no one's around to help them, things could turn really ugly all of a sudden, so they're not gonna say no because of The Implication. I have never watched Always Sunny but I thought it was a comedy? What the christ.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:22
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Pixelante posted:I have never watched Always Sunny but I thought it was a comedy? What the christ. Its a black comedy. The whole point is the main characters are terrible people. Its like Seinfeld taken to its extreme conclusion.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:24
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Pixelante posted:I have never watched Always Sunny but I thought it was a comedy? What the christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE
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Sep 16, 2020 20:35
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Just waiting for Homelander to bust out the most perfect CCH Pounder impression of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOJTzrBies Also, that’s the best analogy. Homelander is 100% a superpowered Dennis Reynolds.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:38
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Pixelante posted:I have never watched Always Sunny but I thought it was a comedy? What the christ. The two important things to keep in mind with It's Always Sunny are A) as stated, they are all terrible people doing terrible things and B) their schemes and terrible deeds basically always blow up horribly in their faces. Which is where the comedy comes from. It's been forever since I saw this episode, but I can say with almost 100% certainty that they do not get laid on a boat at the end of the episode.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:40
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Pixelante posted:I have never watched Always Sunny but I thought it was a comedy? What the christ. Dennis Reynold's job is to be the abyss gazing back at the other characters.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:41
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Phenotype posted:It's kind of an interesting question, at least in Homelander's case. No one's going to say you can't consent to sex with The Rock because he's bigger and stronger than you, but then we live in a society and there are systems that can theoretically protect you if The Rock tries to threaten you into consent. With Homelander, there is basically no possible way to stop him if he feels like doing something awful. It's like the boat episode of Always Sunny -- sure these girls could say no, but y'know, we're out here at sea, no one's around to help them, things could turn really ugly all of a sudden, so they're not gonna say no because of The Implication. With Homelander specifically there are some insanely hosed up power dynamics. He is a sadistic sociopath that maims and murders on a whim and is utterly broken emotionally when it comes to intimacy. He murdered a guy just for talking to Maeve. I feel like it's totally different with your "average" supe. Who yeah, could theoretically kill their partner about as easily, but because they don't impulsively commit gratuitous acts of violence over the smallest emotional slights, their partners never feel threatened and they have no issues with consent or coercion. Like Annie and Hughie or Maeve and her girlfriend.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:42
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Beef Stew posted:With Homelander specifically there are some insanely hosed up power dynamics. He is a sadistic sociopath that maims and murders on a whim and is utterly broken emotionally when it comes to intimacy. He murdered a guy just for talking to Maeve. I feel like it's totally different with your "average" supe. Who yeah, could theoretically kill their partner about as easily, but because they don't impulsively commit gratuitous acts of violence over the smallest emotional slights, their partners never feel threatened and they have no issues with consent or coercion. Like Annie and Hughie or Maeve and her girlfriend. I don't disagree, but the power dynamics I'm talking about don't have anything to do with the personalities involved. Sure, Starlight or Maeve could murder their partners, but they'd send other supes after them and throw them in No Lunch Supermax or something -- there would be consequences for their actions, so it's not much different than any normal human having to obey the law. But there are no real consequences for pretty much anything Homelander does, because they don't have any way to enforce them. Even if he actually was the friendly All-American hero he's impersonating, there'd still be The Implication, because he can do anything he wants and no one can stop him.
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Sep 16, 2020 20:55
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Phenotype posted:I don't disagree, but the power dynamics I'm talking about don't have anything to do with the personalities involved. Sure, Starlight or Maeve could murder their partners, but they'd send other supes after them and throw them in No Lunch Supermax or something -- there would be consequences for their actions, so it's not much different than any normal human having to obey the law. But there are no real consequences for pretty much anything Homelander does, because they don't have any way to enforce them. Even if he actually was the friendly All-American hero he's impersonating, there'd still be The Implication, because he can do anything he wants and no one can stop him. Ahh ok I see what you are saying. That's definitely true as well, there's literally no way he could even be theoretically held accountable for anything he does and everyone knows that. To change the subject slightly, I wonder if Homelander really does think he's totally untouchable though. Like virtually indestructible, sure, but he seems like a pretty intelligent guy. Definitely moreso then his comics counterpart. I wonder if the thought hasn't crossed his mind that it would be pretty uncharacteristic of Vought, who seem to be very good at covering their asses and seem to have a contingency plan for every disaster, not to have some kind of emergency option in case their most dangerous and valuable investment goes rogue. I know he's been kept partially in line up until this point because he enjoys the status quo and being a rock star loved by millions, but I wonder if the idea that Vought might have a way to deal with him if he goes too far might not also be somewhere in the back of his mind. Then again he is a total narcissist that's probably never even experienced physical pain, and he seemed to have no issue attempting to physically intimidate the literal CEO. So probably not.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:16
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:I haven't seen this mentioned yet but I just don't get Ashley. He did straight up say to her that she's back after being fired to do whatever the gently caress he told her too. She's there because she doesn't want to die, that's pretty much it. She's kind of a lovely corporate PR person, but after HL brought her back she's pretty much stuck with doing what he says or he brutally murders her.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:20
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Becca says "when I found out I was pregnant I went to Vought, not you" should be the end of the conversation in regards to Butcher's disposition, but then again half of the people watching TV and movies seem media illiterate. ugh I hate her she's worse than Skyler
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Sep 16, 2020 21:22
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Dennis Homelander is cannon Ha, nice!
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Sep 16, 2020 21:28
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i am untethered & my rage knows no bounds
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Sep 16, 2020 21:44
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My favorite Homelander line is “that baby is an accessory” from Season 1. The utter contempt Starr puts into the word “baby” is great.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:46
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Has anyone gone through the math and determined how many calories supes burn to do things? I mean, I understand it's all magic, or whatever, but I'm curious what the caloric cost would be to eye laser a person in half. That's probably a lot of milk HL would have to drink.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:48
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If there is one thing i have trouble beleiving it`s that there would be any serious resistance to letting supes work for the military in the first place. I don`t see the twin towers in this version of New York so i assume 9/11 happened. Don`t tell me Bush jr and Cheney of all people would be against letting all-american patriot Homelander and the Vougth corporation participate in Iraq or Afghanistan? The only thing that could have kept them out until the super-terrorists show up would be the fear that they would be too effective and reduce profits of the defense industry. But that`s easily solved by letting Homelander obliterate allegded terrorists every now and again to lift moral, but otherwise running the wars as normal.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:49
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All this talk of supe relationships and no one brought up the dude who had his dick broken off while bangin icicle girl.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:55
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It's conceivable to me that the military would not tolerate a weapon it couldn't control, especially when it's already the most powerful military on Earth.
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Sep 16, 2020 21:58
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Sure, but in the hysteria following 9/11 hardly anyone in the US goverment was thinking rationally. Relastically it would be the White house begging Vougth to get involved regardless of that the military leaders said, not Vougth having to wage a long pr-campaign over several years to be allowed to kill abroad under the US flag.
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Sep 16, 2020 22:20
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The 9/11 analog in the comics is that the plane Homelander abandons goes on to destroy the brooklyn bridge.
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Sep 16, 2020 22:33
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Bust Rodd posted:Nah, The Boys is extremely entertaining but I really don’t get the sense that it’s trying to “say something”, just trying to tell this awesome story. Watchmen pretty clearly had a message that ended up, uh, becoming completely hyper relevant only a few months after it was being criticized as “heavy handed”. Uhhh what? This show has tons to say on multiple socioeconomic issues.
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Sep 16, 2020 23:07
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Baudolino posted:If there is one thing i have trouble beleiving it`s that there would be any serious resistance to letting supes work for the military in the first place. In the Boys universe, I think the pushback is that it makes them look less competent. But this probably applies to police as well, what good are cops when you have supes? Think about how much police unions would have to twist themselves in knots to justify their existence?
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Sep 16, 2020 23:25
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spacetoaster posted:Has anyone gone through the math and determined how many calories supes burn to do things? I mean, I understand it's all magic, or whatever, but I'm curious what the caloric cost would be to eye laser a person in half. They talk about this in the first season, A-Train's trainer makes him stop and drink some packet and says that if he doesn't get 3000 calories an hour he'll pass out.
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Sep 16, 2020 23:37
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spacetoaster posted:Has anyone gone through the math and determined how many calories supes burn to do things? I mean, I understand it's all magic, or whatever, but I'm curious what the caloric cost would be to eye laser a person in half. Wikipedia says industrial cutting lasers run on kilowatts of power to cut steel at point blank range for <1 cm depth and <1 cm diameter. 5000 kW *1 second = 1200 dietary calories. I couldn't find an equation for this, but multiply that by however many orders of magnitude it would take to overcome heat dispersion from across a room at the diameter of his eyes and you have an idea of how much breast milk he would need to drink. Also I've read that a major limitation holding back military lasers is that scattering and heat dispersion get way worse in even mild weather conditions- so him shooting down a plane in the middle of a storm is extra absurd. Hopefully now I've annoyed an actual physicist into giving us the real answer.
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Sep 16, 2020 23:37
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He could be getting an IV of pure butter and it wouldn’t be enough. It’s like when Tony Stark claimed whatever number of gigajoules out of his arc reactor, which is impossible even with perfect conversion of matter to energy, and that was his cave/box of scraps reactor.
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Sep 16, 2020 23:55
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Phenotype posted:Even if he actually was the friendly All-American hero he's impersonating, there'd still be The Implication, because he can do anything he wants and no one can stop him. If I recall correctly in the comics Homelander at the beginning was the friendly All-American Hero and probably would've stayed that way cause he recognized that Vought was a gravy train and had no reason to stirr poo poo cause he had it good. This all changed due to Black Noir playing mind games with HL just so he could get the kill order he'd been told all his life was his entire reason for existing. I wonder if they switched out Homelander and Black Noir's personalities and that's why he's like he is in the Amazon series
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Sep 16, 2020 23:56
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AlternateAccount posted:He could be getting an IV of pure butter and it wouldn’t be enough. The arc reactor opens a portal to an alternate dimension of pure energy. I don't know anything about comic books.
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Sep 17, 2020 00:07
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Tip posted:The arc reactor opens a portal to an alternate dimension of pure energy. Generally Marvel doesn't even try to align with real science. I still remember during Iron Man II, when Stark triumphantly announced he had invented a new element. Uhhhh yeah.
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Sep 17, 2020 00:33
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It's right next to the dimensions of red punch laser force, and replacement blood and meat.
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Sep 17, 2020 00:35
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Rando posted:The 9/11 analog in the comics is that the plane Homelander abandons goes on to destroy the brooklyn bridge. Which is bizarre because Ennis mostly uses this as an excuse to make really unsubtle comparisons to the twin towers - complete with panels that zoom in on them - while being Islamophobic.
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Sep 17, 2020 00:44
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Avasculous posted:Also I've read that a major limitation holding back military lasers is that scattering and heat dispersion get way worse in even mild weather conditions- so him shooting down a plane in the middle of a storm is extra absurd. I'm not an actual physicist, but from what I've read on the subject that problem is more of an issue over significant distances, and Homelander was pretty close to the plane, so that's easily hand-wavable. The energy generation thing is way more relevant.
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boo_radley posted:"Why does Ashley simply not report Homelander to Human Resources? Surely Vought has a process for this!" Well I was thinking something more along the lines of "I need to quit to pursue my love of bluegrass banjo music" (or something else I don't care what) and then running like gently caress. "My grandma on the other side of the country needs me to take care of her" Something. I would run like gently caress, personally. I also love the Homelander- Dennis Reynolds mashups. Edit- seaborgium posted:He did straight up say to her that she's back after being fired to do whatever the gently caress he told her too. She's there because she doesn't want to die, that's pretty much it. Yeah, ok I can buy that. Zazz Razzamatazz fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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