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ROFLBOT posted:I have no reason to think im some weird outlier who just happens to know an overly large group of people who dont use their real names on FB. youre fundamentally misunderstanding what a fake account is to facebook
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They will. Yours aren't deleted because they're actually being used for Facebook, you just think you're somehow evading the system with a pseudonym (you're not, lol). A proper fake Facebook account would be one that just sits doing nothing except accumulating Oculus game purchases, and that can get dinged because Facebook can't make a link between those purchases and a Facebook user acting like a real person. Guess what my FB account does? gently caress all. Pretty sure theres nothing in the TOS that says you need to make a minimum number of posts/likes/whatever. Think about it, its not in FB interest to delete accounts other than for the usual fake news/hate speech etc... and theyre not even good at that...
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Out of curiosity I just fired up my VPN and tried to log into a very fake account I made in character for a high-concept ARG thing I was doing concurrent with a tabletop call of cthulhu thing. I haven't touched it in half a decade. It gave me the option of mobile or email recovery or uploading ID. I chose email, which I also had to recover from the untouched email address associated, and then logged in fine.
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Sep 17, 2020 04:49
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Wait, when the Myst remake says it's coming out for Oculus, does that mean I'm SOL as an Index owner? Because if the barrier between me and Myst in VR is loving Facebook I think I might actually resort to terrorism.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:18
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ROFLBOT posted:I have no reason to think im some weird outlier who just happens to know an overly large group of people who dont use their real names on FB. I've heard it has to do with how long you've had a fake account... older ones that haven't already been flagged for some reason get by their detection methods but with AI/machine learning new ones are rooted out in short order. They've also plainly stated that content on fake accounts is lost if they close them so fake accounts are a risky gamble at best unless you already have a working one. The privacy issue is one thing however many despise facebook for being straight up loving nazis that use/allow their platform to be weaponized to forward the chud agenda so even a working a fake account is not a work around for supporting racist genocidal right wingers
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Junk posted:Wait, when the Myst remake says it's coming out for Oculus, does that mean I'm SOL as an Index owner? Because if the barrier between me and Myst in VR is loving Facebook I think I might actually resort to terrorism. Nope, there's a store page on Steam for it right now.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:22
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Junk posted:Wait, when the Myst remake says it's coming out for Oculus, does that mean I'm SOL as an Index owner? Because if the barrier between me and Myst in VR is loving Facebook I think I might actually resort to terrorism. Good news https://store.steampowered.com/app/1255560/Myst/ Even if it wasn't gonna be on steam, you could use Revive, but you'd have to create a FB account. Luckily, with Cyan already putting Obduction on Steam and supporting OpenVR, odds are we're gonna be taken care of here too.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:23
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ROFLBOT posted:Guess what my FB account does? gently caress all. Pretty sure theres nothing in the TOS that says you need to make a minimum number of posts/likes/whatever. Think about it, its not in FB interest to delete accounts other than for the usual fake news/hate speech etc... and theyre not even good at that... Completely and utterly wrong. Facebook might not ban hate speech and fake news, but they absolutely have the tools to nuke that poo poo on-demand if it wasn't such a big money-earner for them. Fake accounts that just get a few Oculus purchases are not revenue-making products for them. quote:Many responded to the news by suggesting that people who don’t want a Facebook account should just make a fake account solely to use with their headset. But that won’t fly, Facebook says. You may not do a lot with your Facebook account, but I'd bet good money it's doing a whole lot to track you elsewhere by association. Also holy gently caress you should all be just a wee bit concerned at the idea of a system-level fitness tracker in a Facebook VR device. That sounds you're hearing is the keening wail of health insurance companies experiencing pure ecstasy.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:26
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Contemplating getting a Reverb G2, a little worried about the lack of capacitive buttons, but for now am still very happy with my Rift S. It did everything I wanted for an upgrade from the Vive, comfort, better controllers, and improved resolution. Still I think the best value/money PCVR headset.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:31
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Junk posted:Wait, when the Myst remake says it's coming out for Oculus, does that mean I'm SOL as an Index owner? Because if the barrier between me and Myst in VR is loving Facebook I think I might actually resort to terrorism.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Completely and utterly wrong. Facebook might not ban hate speech and fake news, but they absolutely have the tools to nuke that poo poo on-demand if it wasn't such a big money-earner for them. Fake accounts that just get a few Oculus purchases are not revenue-making products for them. Again, i dont know what to tell you but if FB are nuking low-value fake accounts theyre not doing a very good job of it. This conversation reminded me of another fake account i set up 6 years ago (i think it was to autologin to some website, IDK) The profile has no friends, no personal info, no photos (other than the profile one you can see posted below), no posts and only a handful of likes for some bands for whatever reason. Here is what the activity log looks like  Hasnt been logged in to for 6 years until today (back when i used to use one pw for everything!) Zero data value to FB. Still exists. If that is what is required to use a Quest or whatever, i dont see that as a bridge too far. Maybe you do, fine dont buy one.
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Sep 17, 2020 07:02
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ROFLBOT posted:Again, i dont know what to tell you but if FB are nuking low-value fake accounts theyre not doing a very good job of it. We're telling you that your so-called fake accounts you use to socialize with your wife and friends actually aren't.
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Sep 17, 2020 07:09
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Neddy Seagoon posted:
Don't they get that information already from smartphones? edit: hell they already had a good proxy, they know what games you own and how many hours in each. So they could look at number of hours of (list of active games like Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, etc) per month to have an estimate of same. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Sep 17, 2020 07:46
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I've had two obviously fake FB accounts that I used for FB games that were banned, but they only had each other + me as friends and I never bothered to try to contest the ban. I have no idea if contesting the bans with some photoshopped ID would have worked but Im probably not going to risk any games catalogue on that gamble.
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Sep 17, 2020 07:47
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Hadlock posted:New thread title?
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DO IT you cowards! etc I have to pour in later in the Carmack talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmY26pOE-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mFEGah27c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgkoc12x3BE Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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Sep 17, 2020 08:19
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Turin Turambar posted:DO IT you cowards! Huh, thats interesting. So the reason 90hz isn't enabled right now for reviewers is at the last minute they realized there was a conflict with the guardian system still running at 72hz. Also good to see he's really pushing for a wireless link, maybe theres some hope of an official solution down the line.
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Sep 17, 2020 08:36
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Pistol Whip 2089 on steam when?
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Sep 17, 2020 08:42
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Hadlock posted:New thread title? Don't worry, just go along with it now and that requirement will eventually get bored and move on to job interviews, emergency room lobbies, voter registration... I think we might owe Bargefink a collective apology.
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Sep 17, 2020 08:52
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Tom Guycot posted:Huh, thats interesting. So the reason 90hz isn't enabled right now for reviewers is at the last minute they realized there was a conflict with the guardian system still running at 72hz. I still haven't watched it, being at work and all that... but I read on Reddit that they aren't using close at all the power of the XR2 chip, because of thermal limits and battery consumption of the fan.
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It's fairly hilarious watching everybody trip over themselves to make excuses for Facebook so they can get a $300 VR headset when just a few weeks ago everybody was so outraged that Facebook hosed them over in a way they'd pinky-promised not to.
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The folks who were outraged left. I know that the announcement killed VR interest from my personal circle of friends stone dead, but they're not constantly yelling about it. They're just not considering Oculus stuff and/or planning to sell what they already have.
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Obviously people are still outraged about it; that's why we're still getting multiple arguments about it every page. But most of us who don't like it just aren't going to buy one, and beyond that there's not much more to say; it would take actual consumer protection laws in the US to change things and we're not going to get those by complaining here. Fortunately we've switched from Oculus to Pico at my work so I won't be using one there either, though that's more due to Pico's headsets being half the price than any ethical or privacy concerns.
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If someone hates Facebook and that's why he won't use a FB account, he shouldn't buy a Quest 2 even if a Facebook account wasn't needed. -It's a product designed and engineered by Facebook employees, it's 100% a FB product -the profits will go to FB coffins -the Oculus account was also a FB controlled account.
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I just want roflbot to imagine waking up tomorrow and seeing his account locked for fraud and all of his purchases linked to it gone. I'm sure there's a way to get it back, but imagine that your scheme finally fails. Do you still feel the same way? Can you see why others aren't comfortable making fake IDs to play games?
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TACD posted:It's fairly hilarious watching everybody trip over themselves to make excuses for Facebook so they can get a $300 VR headset when just a few weeks ago everybody was so outraged that Facebook hosed them over in a way they'd pinky-promised not to. Honestly don’t care either way mate, my next headset will likely be a G2 - i have no interest in a Quest. What i am pointing out is this idea that you have no choice other than to use a FB account with all your bona-fide personal details as if there is literally no way to game FB at all, is rubbish.
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ROFLBOT posted:Honestly don’t care either way mate, my next headset will likely be a G2 - i have no interest in a Quest. What i am pointing out is this idea that you have no choice other than to use a FB account with all your bona-fide personal details as if there is literally no way to game FB at all, is rubbish. A pseudonym for a Facebook account, that you're actively using for actual Facebook purposes, is about as effective as a false moustache. You're really not as clever as you think with this one and have gamed squat. NRVNQSR posted:Obviously people are still outraged about it; that's why we're still getting multiple arguments about it every page. But most of us who don't like it just aren't going to buy one, and beyond that there's not much more to say; it would take actual consumer protection laws in the US to change things and we're not going to get those by complaining here. What's impressed me is how thoroughly brazen they've gotten. How can you not look at them adding system-wide fitness tracking and wonder what it's actually recording  .
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Turin Turambar posted:If someone hates Facebook and that's why he won't use a FB account, he shouldn't buy a Quest 2 even if a Facebook account wasn't needed. Those are the reasons why people with ethical concerns about Facebook shouldn't get one. Account linking and ToS changes are issues for people with privacy concerns about Facebook. If FB could get all the data they want from the existing accounts and ToS then they wouldn't be making these changes; they're making them because they get them access to significantly more of users' private data and because they allow them to bypass regulations that would have limited data sharing between the different accounts. Again, these changes are why the Quest is no longer available for sale in Germany - it's not meaningless change for the sake of change, reducing users' privacy and bypassing consumer protections is their direct goal.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:A pseudonym for a Facebook account, that you're actively using for actual Facebook purposes, is about as effective as a false moustache. You're really not as clever as you think with this one and have gamed squat. Did you miss the part where i posted my other fake still-active account, the one with no information in it, no activity, no posts, no logins for 6 years? why yes, you did.
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ROFLBOT posted:Did you miss the part where i posted my other fake still-active account, the one with no information in it, no activity, no posts, no logins for 6 years? I think it’s just that your anecdote is worthless and nobody cares about your single account hat has avoided problems.
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I'm a bit worried with the IPD thing, some reviewers said they could notice more chromatic aberration because their real IPD was in between two of the three possible settings.
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I'm pretty sure the account linking thing is far more about internal politics at Facebook than account sharing. Facebook could correlate Oculus accounts and Facebook accounts a million different ways, but most people probably used the same email addresses in the first place, and they bought the databases along with everything else, and the original TOS would have had a boilerplate "if we get acquired they get your data". If you take a look at the stuff they've announced it becomes a lot more clear: they've got Horizon, they have Messenger, they straight up want Oculus users to be Facebook users mostly because it radically changes how internal divisions will be perceived and funded. Oculus users don't mean poo poo to the bulk of the company, only Facebook users do. Carmack does a great job of honestly laying out how crazy political Facebook can get in his most recent unscripted talk, but even without that, the same is true of any sufficiently large and dumb company, and Facebook is nothing if not dumb as hell.
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Turin Turambar posted:I'm a bit worried with the IPD thing, some reviewers said they could notice more chromatic aberration because their real IPD was in between two of the three possible settings. Three locked IPD settings seems like a terrible decision and I can't see it surviving to another headset. It seems like the worst of both worlds; the wear of mechanical changes combined with the distortion from lenses not aligning with your eyes. "Move the lenses not the screen" is a sensible compromise for the IPD problem and I can see more headsets using it going forward, but surely most of them will do so with a slider.
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chaosbreather posted:I'm pretty sure the account linking thing is far more about internal politics at Facebook than account sharing. Facebook could correlate Oculus accounts and Facebook accounts a million different ways, but most people probably used the same email addresses in the first place, and they bought the databases along with everything else, and the original TOS would have had a boilerplate "if we get acquired they get your data". No, they actually couldn't from a legal standpoint (behind closed doors... eh, who knows...), and it's why they're forcing a Facebook account requirement on new users. And the reason why is why the Quest is currently not for sale in Germany. NRVNQSR posted:Three locked IPD settings seems like a terrible decision and I can't see it surviving to another headset. It seems like the worst of both worlds; the wear of mechanical changes combined with the distortion from lenses not aligning with your eyes. "Move the lenses not the screen" is a sensible compromise for the IPD problem and I can see more headsets using it going forward, but surely most of them will do so with a slider. My assumption on how it would surely work is three physical distances and then software IPD to fine-tune. Is it really just three hard settings and nothing more?
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Giving facebook money is still grimy whether you use a "fake" account or not. Additionally, they will have your real identity when you buy a game with a credit card if they don't already (they do). In conclusion, gently caress you.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:
The three settings also change the position of the image shown on screen, so it's moved left or right the appropriate number of pixels. But several reviewers have said they expected or hoped a software-ipd setting to fine tune it, and there isn't. Let's hope they take the feedback and do it later. In other news, I ordered mine in Amazon with the normal (non-battery) elite strap. I will try to attach somehow my own portable battery (used before for Quest 1 counterweight). With the improved screen, I can see starting to use it for movie/netflix watching, something that seemed silly with the Quest 1.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:No, they actually couldn't from a legal standpoint (behind closed doors... eh, who knows...), and it's why they're forcing a Facebook account requirement on new users. And the reason why is why the Quest is currently not for sale in Germany. Privacy laws are the reason why Germany halted imports but it doesn't make sense to me that data gathering would be their motive. Oculus is hobby-scale right now and they're seeking growth, entire ecosystem growth, not how the couple thousand people with quests swing their arms in a dozen games once a fortnight. There's nothing worse than an auth system migration, and Facebook gets better data than that when you go to the bathroom. Political motivations, under the guise of synergy, is what that reads to me as. Especially when you look at how they're minimising the oculus brand from being a company brand to a product line brand. And yep, three settings, but it's been speculated that they'll add more in software down the line. So yeah, if it doesn't work for me I'll just return it.
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Nocheez posted:Is the Index really that unique that is has a big slider on the bottom of the headset for adjusting the IPD? The polemic comes in that precisely Quest 1 had that system, and Quest 2 doesn't. Index, like Quest 1, has two screens, the slider moves everything, lenses and single screen. Quest 2 has a single screen, like Rift S, so it cannot be done easily.
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Nocheez posted:Is the Index really that unique that is has a big slider on the bottom of the headset for adjusting the IPD? A mechanical slider adds manufacturing and software complexity and every company in VR right now seems to wants to get rid of it. It's why the one on the Index only goes up to 70 instead of 72 like the Vive because it saves them dev time/money/qa time. The extra 2mm doesn't seem like much but for those of us who are the hammerhead member of the street sharks it's a big deal and all of the companies going "Ehhh, most people have an IPD of 64 so close enough" really sucks.
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