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Speleothing posted:In the dream sequence at the train station. Though I guess that's just Harry's projection of how he thought Dumbledore should be The beauty of how vaguely it's written is we'll never know for sure! (I am 100% certain in JK's story souls are real and train stations are where you go when you die)
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I only read Deathly Hallows once, when it came out, so I'm not crystal clear on it.
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Speleothing posted:In the dream sequence at the train station. Though I guess that's just Harry's projection of how he thought Dumbledore should be Actually, Snape's memory reveals Dumbledore intended for Harry to die. King's Cross Dumbledore suggests he figured Harry would survive. I don't like Evil Dumbledore theories but the fact he apparently let Snape go to his death thinking Harry was gonna die, that he and Snape had protected Harry just so Harry could be "a pig for slaughter", was a pretty dick move. Also I'm pretty sure that was the actuaa Dumbledore in soul form. That was the whole point of showing Harry was just fine while Voldemort's soul was the flayed baby.
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Though does seem like given there's absolutely no way Harry will survive as long as Voldemort does, not only because of the prophecy but simply because Voldemort is that petty that he'll scour the earth to find Harry if necessary, so he might as well groom Harry to be a weapon to hopefully finish Voldemort, and bonus if he survives. (and if not, at least he goes out swinging)
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Sep 26, 2020 15:54
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Potter-dome: Baby Baby Voldemort
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MonsieurChoc posted:It is important to remember that Dumbledore is a sociopath who uses people. A wizard George Smiley. I'm still watching Smiley's People and it only makes me agree with this more.
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Let’s all not talk about Dumbledore’s galaxy brain plan to get Harry to lick that snitch to find the Resurrection Stone
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Speleothing posted:We all know that the climax of the book last book is built around dumb technicalities of wand lore, and who the Super Wand really belongs to in a convoluted chain of disarms. Dumbledore's plan wasn't for Harry to become master of the Elder Wand. Dumbledore's plan was to be killed by Snape so that he'd die undefeated and the Elder Wand's power would be broken like that. Draco beating Snape to the top of the tower and getting the drop on Dumbledore and disarming him before Snape could get there to kill him was never part of the plan. That means that when he was trying to talk Draco down before Snape got there, he wasn't just doing it because he thought he might convince Draco to turn on Voldemort, he was stalling for time to let Snape reach them so that Snape would be the one to kill him. Because if Draco got the credit for killing Dumbledore, then Draco would end up becoming a target for Voldemort once he claimed the wand and found it wasn't working at full strength for him.
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He shoulda just had harry do it and simultaneously make a horcrux.
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Sep 26, 2020 18:48
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Would Ron have to chop off his hand to rebirth Harry?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Snape didn't smoke anywhere near enough weed. When he broke the back of that chair he'd run out the day before and professor sprout was light on the last harvest
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Would Ron have to chop off his hand to rebirth Harry? He'd probably be able to persuade that creevey kid to do it.
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I like how Creevey dies and there is exactly zero fanfare to it, like during the final battle Harry just walks past a bunch of bodies and offhandedly thinks "there's Creevey, dead" and then he just moves on. Even Harry doesn't give a poo poo that he's dead so I'm not sure why Rowling thought we would.
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Sydin posted:I like how Creevey dies and there is exactly zero fanfare to it, like during the final battle Harry just walks past a bunch of bodies and offhandedly thinks "there's Creevey, dead" and then he just moves on. Even Harry doesn't give a poo poo that he's dead so I'm not sure why Rowling thought we would. Isn't this exactly as much fanfare as Lupin and Tonks get? And in the movie, Lavender Brown. Who, it cannot be said enough, was played by a black girl until the movie where she had to kiss Ron.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Who, it cannot be said enough, was played by a black girl until the movie where she had to kiss Ron. Huh. Didn't notice that.
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josh04 posted:I'm still watching Smiley's People and it only makes me agree with this more. Yeah, the idea came to me when reading Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (after watching the amazing movie), and it just makes sense. Dumbledore was probably involved in Declare.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:And in the movie, Lavender Brown. 
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josh04 posted:Dumbledore was a-okay with Harry dying, no? Is it suggested that he masterminded that part? As NikkolasKing said, Dumbledore told Snape about this part of the plan, and Snape was rightfully horrified about it. After viewing Snape's memories, there was mention of Harry feeling a kind of burn in his chest from Dumbledore's betrayal, but Harry was too numb with the reveal that he was meant to die to fully process it. Edgar Allen Ho posted:Isn't this exactly as much fanfare as Lupin and Tonks get? As someone who never watched the Half-Blood Prince movie, what a scummy move. 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Isn't this exactly as much fanfare as Lupin and Tonks get? There was a contestant on Pointless Celebrities last night who I'd never heard of and took an instant dislike to; I looked her up and apparently she played 'Lavender Brown'. So reading that just now was a treat. (She was very much not Black.)
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amigolupus posted:As NikkolasKing said, Dumbledore told Snape about this part of the plan, and Snape was rightfully horrified about it. After viewing Snape's memories, there was mention of Harry feeling a kind of burn in his chest from Dumbledore's betrayal, but Harry was too numb with the reveal that he was meant to die to fully process it. They also made her blond and a "daft dimbo" to quote Hermione. I hate the HP movies so I gain great satisfaction out of watching the RiffTrax versions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kXHRm-Oag "Mad with power, Ron declares himself the new Chosen One and is instantly killed by Voldemort."
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From what I recall of the last of the Harry Potter movies, the entire elder wand/Harry is a horcrux stuff is barely mentioned and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if you haven't read the books. Wizard neo-nazis meeting final defeat from a series of labyrinthine technicalities is indeed the most neolib ending ever.
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I had to look it up after finishing the last book to actually understand what happened myself, it's not entirely clear either unless you've been rereading the books very recently (which to be fair I imagine a lot of readers were in anticipation)
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in a just world, Brad Neely would have done Wizard People Dear Reader for all 7 movies and it would be considered the true canon harry potter
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josh04 posted:Having a grand old time, arguing on twitter with people making the spirited argument that the books were 'always bad'. Weird that so many people managed to buy and read them without noticing, imo. children are not known for their critical thinking edit: josh04 posted:I just keep getting told that children are idiots and popular things are often bad as if either of those is an explanation. edit2: Atrocious Joe posted:part of the reason crime got so high in the 1980s is because gangs would assault people on the subway for reading "dumb rear end kids books." Giuliani got big for promising to make it safe to read Ronald Dahl on public transit again. a true Dahl fan wouldn't be in that situation since they would already know about railway safety JethroMcB posted:Man has anybody made a Snape/Heisenberg copyright infringement t-shirt? That poo poo would make money Zetsubou-san fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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I knew they were bad as a kid, but if you've read anything about my upbringing you'd know Im not a representative sample for kids
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Zetsubou-san posted:children are not known for their critical thinking people say this and yet not only did harry potter itself end up with the bizarre phenomenon of "adult cover versions" like an inverse porno, the part of the market harry potter covered cannabalised itself into something called "young adult" that still haunts us today. opinion at the time was that children were more discerning and that's why their fiction as a block ate up the moribund adult genre fiction market.
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Also it was very clearly not just children who read HP. That was why HP became a phenomenon, it was a series beloved by men and women, boys and girls, adults, teens and children, people like my grandmother who was just as into it as me. A lot of great, popular series never fully escape their genre or demographic appeal. Harry Potter clearly transcended those limits. Whether or not that speaks to quality is a different matter but it is interesting.
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They're the sort of book that you don't want to stop reading. Even re-reading them 15 years later, knowing how dumb the endings are, I feel compelled to blaze through and finish those 400 page tomes in a single day. That doesn't change how dumb they are. But they're hard to put down.
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josh04 posted:people say this and yet not only did harry potter itself end up with the bizarre phenomenon of "adult cover versions" like an inverse porno, the part of the market harry potter covered cannabalised itself into something called "young adult" that still haunts us today. I feel that says more about how so loving bad the genre fiction market was Like, Dan Brown was a thing. Matthew Reilly was a thing.
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Reading for pleasure as an adult in the late 90s and early 00s must have been very tough going.
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I anticipate people in 20 years saying the exact same thing about stuff out now. And then 20 years after that....
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Well I mean, being publicly shamed for reading a book with a wizard on it and so on was pretty hosed up. Like, very very weird? Atleast now genre fiction is generally accepted. I mean we had bdsm vampire stuff as being the most popular type of mainstream fiction for a while. It's certainly had an effect on what's socially acceptable. It's better now but yeah it'll probably be more better in 20 years time.
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Zetsubou-san posted:children are not known for their critical thinking This is all children are known for. It is why we send them to buildings so they can specialize their skills of reading and operating textile machines.
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Imagine thinking you're fooling anybody with an adult cover version of Harry Potter. Like come I can see you sitting there reading an enormous 700 page doorstop with big, kid-friendly font, I know what you're reading bro.
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oh boy principal photography on fantastic beasts 3 has started. e: and there's gonna be five of these loving things
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:oh boy principal photography on fantastic beasts 3 has started. Maybe if people stop talking about them and watching them they'll stop making them.
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Why do people care about what others read outside dumb culture war bullshit
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drunk enough to start but not yet drunk enough to be in danger of not finishing
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