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Billy Gnosis posted:Because Mookie believes he was 100% correct and justified. It's worse than that, I fear. I think he was trying to justify (to himself) how a barely-concealed rape fetish doesn't disqualify him from being "lawful good" by inventing a circumstance in which rape could be "good."
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Yeah, Mookie can make all of the excuses he wants but he specifically designed a scenario where the only 'good' way out of it (as far as he was concerned anyways) was for Stonewater to do what he did. It's... really, really bad! It gets worse once you remember that Mookie does his damnedest to absolve his good guys of all blame for any unsavory actions they take! The more I remember of what happens during that set of chapters the more irritated I get!
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Sep 27, 2020 00:33
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Marin Karin posted:I will give Mookie credit for one thing: He hasn't gone as far off the deep end as Tatsuya to actually portray actively sexual women as brainwashed cultists. Isn't this the guy whose comic started with a womanizing dude making a devil contract to womanize more and the main "feature" were sexy demonesses? The hell?
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Sep 27, 2020 04:14
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Yeah, Sinfest went on a major TERF bender within the past few years.
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Sep 27, 2020 04:17
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GrossMurpel posted:Isn't this the guy whose comic started with a womanizing dude making a devil contract to womanize more and the main "feature" were sexy demonesses? The hell? From what I understand, he changed and seemed to be learning feminism...and then he went full in on TERF/SWERF bullshit.
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Sep 27, 2020 04:18
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Every few years I relearn about Sinfest and somehow it’s a totally different comic. As if the author’s brain is putty in the internet’s hands.
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Sep 27, 2020 06:12
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Tatsuya discovered a very special brand of feminism that posits:
So you can see the result. As much as one could say Mookie's big problem is his lack of self-awareness and introspection, Tatsuya's problem may be the opposite, he introspected a bit too much and also wrong. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 11:05
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He showed great personal growth by changing his worldview to a slightly different one that still allows him to slut shame and be a bigot (but this time he can claim he's pro-women). Thankfully his readership and patreon support shrank accordingly.
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Sep 27, 2020 11:10
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Over the course of a handful of comics in late 2011 the tone and focus of the comic abruptly became hard core second-wave feminist propaganda. And by that I mean all men are evil, no man can ever be good or an ally to feminism (So what is he?), and anyone who is upset about the change in the comic's characters or tone is just a sexist horndog who wants the T&A back. AFAIK Nobody has ever figured out why. Guilt over an impossibly bad breakup? Adopting a new girlfriend's political ideology? So impressionable as to change his political outlook over a few days of research?
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Sep 27, 2020 12:05
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Predators and abusers have learned pretty quickly that in some communities, especially online ones with a younger user base, using the right words lets you waltz in and get yourself into a position of trust as the supposed ideal example within a community. They also get a bonus little crowd of friends desperate for their approval, who'll either never believe accusations, or would minimise/victim-blame anything that came out.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:13
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My current theory is that he was bit by a radioactive scarecrow and endowed with the powers of a man made of straw.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:05
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Note that from every example posted, he still draws pin-up women in the same style he just also presents them as brainwashed sheeple or literal robots. So he’s still drawing the T&A and that’s still the main aesthetic driver of the comic. E: literally drew a line of faceless handmaid sex workers with no personal volition in short skirts and heels, the hypocrisy is both blatant and staggering.
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Sep 27, 2020 18:43
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All these different posts paint the same picture of a completely repulsive individual, wow! Speaking of repulsive!  This dumb Chobits poo poo. Snout knows exactly who she is and where she's from but we're still doing this dumb bit, and you can practically see the switch flip from furious corpse to docile waifu.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:12
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We should probably change the thread title to something reflecting this look back into 00s webcomics. I'm open to suggestions.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:13
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Mookie, wearing his toddler coveralls, looks on in learned helplessness while his new mommy kneels submissively before him.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:23
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SardonicTyrant posted:We should probably change the thread title to something reflecting this look back into 00s webcomics. If we start a Sinfest deep dive I'm yeeting my own spine out.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:25
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I’d say keep this thread restricted to Mookie’s comics and post anything else in the CCCC thread.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:37
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Snout was embarrassed to walk around naked but the naked lady showing off all her stuff to him doesn't bother him at all.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:41
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super sweet best pal posted:I’d say keep this thread restricted to Mookie’s comics and post anything else in the CCCC thread.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:50
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SardonicTyrant posted:We should probably change the thread title to something reflecting this look back into 00s webcomics. Dominic Deegan and its Legacy: wounded tits in a white void It fits both new and old Deegan series.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:51
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Codependent Poster posted:Snout was embarrassed to walk around naked but the naked lady showing off all her stuff to him doesn't bother him at all. That's easy to explain. Mookie would be embarrassed to walk around naked but doesn't mind if objects do it.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:52
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Mookie: Contemplations on the White Void Also how is this the angle Mookie is choosing. THis is worse than the Ink Witch. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 19:52
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What is up with her thighs in the last panel? Does her right leg grow out of her left buttock at an angle, or does she have a huge hanging gut?
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Sep 27, 2020 19:53
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It’s kind of funny how thoroughly our time is being wasted by this arc. The first year of the comic didn’t have much going on but this is even less.
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Sep 27, 2020 20:06
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Her pose in the last panel looks rather pornographic. Also, hey, mookie wrote himself into a new corner: now he can't solve things with text anymore.
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Sep 27, 2020 20:10
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SardonicTyrant posted:What's the CCCC thread? Also sometimes people post good webcomics there instead now.
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Sep 27, 2020 20:13
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SardonicTyrant posted:I'm open to suggestions. The Legacy of Dominic Deegan: Empty, Gratuitous, and Unrewarding
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Sep 27, 2020 20:20
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I don’t get what’s happening. At first I thought the words she left uncovered was some kind of message but they make no sense. Or is it just that she can’t write?
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Sep 27, 2020 20:31
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Drakyn posted:Webcomics: Really hosed-up and gratuitous, but also weirdly beautiful, located in the Cool Crew Chat Central forum. The Bad Webcomics Thread from days of yore. Some say that webcomics are still reposted and discussed there to this day, in an endless cycle of violence, terrible art, and fetishes. I'd be okay talking about old bad webcomics, but only to inform people. Like, no Sinfest edits or recap. I'm not a mod so I can't tell people what to do though. How about : The Legacy Of Dominic Deegan: There but for the grace of dumb
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I am kind of curious whether Sinfest became what it is in stages or all at once - I feel like I remember a period where it was very dopey but aligned with non-TERF feminism at least broadly enough that it was just considered preachy instead of evil.
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Sep 27, 2020 21:37
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Joe Slowboat posted:I am kind of curious whether Sinfest became what it is in stages or all at once - I feel like I remember a period where it was very dopey but aligned with non-TERF feminism at least broadly enough that it was just considered preachy instead of evil. It pretty much was all at once, it hasn’t really shifted ideological positions since. That particular brand of second wave feminism just wasn’t all about hating trans people and sex workers all the time yet.
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Sep 27, 2020 22:18
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Yeah it was specifically the first strip in October 2011 that introduced Xanthe that was the tipping point of just "we're here to talk about second-wave feminism all the time now". The TERF poo poo did in fact come later but just from the moment the girl on the trike showed up, that was it.
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Sep 27, 2020 22:24
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Joe Slowboat posted:I am kind of curious whether Sinfest became what it is in stages or all at once - I feel like I remember a period where it was very dopey but aligned with non-TERF feminism at least broadly enough that it was just considered preachy instead of evil. Since coincidentally there's another thread that's going off-topic with a Sinfest digression right now: Pants Donkey posted:Sinfest’s politics go through roughly three phases.
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Thanks - that makes sense. I think I saw the occasional post-Xanthe strip out of context and didn’t realize how very specific a flavor of feminism he had engaged with.
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Sep 27, 2020 23:44
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If Mookie asked you to collab on a comic with him, would you?
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Sep 27, 2020 23:46
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Miss posted:If Mookie asked you to collab on a comic with him, would you? Define ‘collaborate’ - I’m no comics artist so I assume I’m writing for his art?
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Joe Slowboat posted:Define ‘collaborate’ - I’m no comics artist so I assume I’m writing for his art?
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Hostile V posted:Congrats, you're the de-facto artist 'cuz there's no way in hell he's giving up the writer reins. I mean, to be fair, I'm reasonably certain that with even a little bit of focused practice I could be a better artist than Mookie. Not because I think I could be very good, but because I would at least be trying new things. My anatomy would suck, to be clear, but at least no snouts/Snout. Clearly I have to pull an incredibly pale imitation of Jack Kirby and try to put lots of wild weirdness in the art that Mookie didn't specify, and try to completely change the story just by doing that. Like using his dialogue exactly but trying to make the art tell a different story - or else I'd go mad. E: Wait no I can just say no, why would anyone not say no, why would anyone willingly interact with Mookie Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 01:44
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TheHan posted:All these different posts paint the same picture of a completely repulsive individual, wow! I'll give him credit, this is better than what I was expecting, which was that the lady would just write down the plot for him. It's still not good, of course.
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After DD ended, someone made a "documentary" about it, which is really just some one-sided interview clips of Mookie talking about his comics for 35 minutes. I don't know if he's spoken about the reactions to his comic at length elsewhere online, but maybe interesting to get his perspective on why he thinks people did or didn't like the comic and what he was trying to do with it. There's also a few weird things, like admitting that the Dominic character got him kicked out of his D&D group for being too annoying, or how nearly every anecdote he tells about fan interactions is about how important he is to some girl he just met.
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