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Almost Smart posted:So if he loses in November, does he try to slog things out in court and hope his crooked justices just hand him the presidency, or does he cut bait and resign so President Pence can pardon whatever he's able to pardon in the meantime? I think he's old enough to drag things out to the point he never sees a day behind bars regardless, but that's not going to help his lovely kids who are also probably up to their balls in tax fraud and other shady dealings. It really depends. If it's narrow enough in the right places, he will likely drag things out in court and who the gently caress knows what happens at that point. If it's clear he's been blown the gently caress out, I think most establishment GOP types will cut their losses and go on to screech about Biden's incoming admin. Paracaidas posted:If the standard is "plenty of conservatives will still back him", then yes, Stealing this so I can show it to the inevitable "nothing matters" types in my life. I don't think anyone here thinks his true believers will be swayed by this but this poo poo does matter to people who merely voted for Trump thinking he was the lesser of two evils when he ran against Clinton. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Almost Smart posted:So if he loses in November, does he try to slog things out in court and hope his crooked justices just hand him the presidency, or does he cut bait and resign so President Pence can pardon whatever he's able to pardon in the meantime? I think he's old enough to drag things out to the point he never sees a day behind bars regardless, but that's not going to help his lovely kids who are also probably up to their balls in tax fraud and other shady dealings. I was going to jokingly say "if he loses he'll leave office without a fight if he gets a tax amnesty deal from the IRS", but then I realized I wasn't joking. He's going to do what every exec about to be ousted does - get himself a golden parachute.
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stillvisions posted:I was going to jokingly say "if he loses he'll leave office without a fight if he gets a tax amnesty deal from the IRS", but then I realized I wasn't joking. Yeah this, either that or continue course and just do his usual legal flailing and drag out any lawsuits against him funded by endless right-wing grift money until he dies.
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Did someone leak them to the NYT, because it doesn't seem like something you could get through a FOIA request.
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Sep 28, 2020 00:19
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There's lots of useful stuff in there. You can hammer him on the paying 750 dollars for years because that's an easy number that resonates with your typical low info american. Plus he's going up against a guy who's legit one of the least wealthy senators who's built an image about using trains. but this is the funniest thing from it all. https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1310356254922027010?s=20 "he's deducted more for hair care than the average american makes in a year" is a great line if Biden can remember it. BigBallChunkyTime posted:Did someone leak them to the NYT, because it doesn't seem like something you could get through a FOIA request. it seems that way, since they refused to release them to trump's lawyers in order to protect the source's identity.
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evilweasel posted:The biggest reason he’s still trying to get re-elected is because that’s what’s happening if he loses. This is a huge attack line right here. Also, a friend of mine looked up some average tax rates for 2016. If you had an AGI between $25-50k, your average federal taxes were just over $1,800. Donald Trump paid $750. That’s a massive hammer to beat someone over the head with.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Did someone leak them to the NYT, because it doesn't seem like something you could get through a FOIA request. Yes. They specified someone who had “legal access” to them (I.e. not a hacker).
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Did someone leak them to the NYT, because it doesn't seem like something you could get through a FOIA request. Yeah. We don't know who though. "In response to a letter summarizing The Times’s findings, Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, said that “most, if not all, of the facts appear to be inaccurate” and requested the documents on which they were based. After The Times declined to provide the records, in order to protect its sources, Mr. Garten took direct issue only with the amount of taxes Mr. Trump had paid."
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Groovelord Neato posted:The IRS also shouldn't be giving anyone a check in the tens of millions of dollars (poo poo it'd be crime if it was in the hundreds of thousands). Uh, having professional experience with the IRS I'm not willing to put a ceiling on how bad they might screw up so I'm not for limiting repayment as a rule (and if people had paid some of the ludicrous IRS bills I've seen the IRS WOULD have owed them 6 figures back when fixed), but in Trump's case you'd think they'd be more skeptical, yeah. I half suspect it's because he's had the lawyers to keep dragging this thing out compared to most people who'd have been hit with audits that this thing is still going, it's also one of those scenarios (abandonment of a business interest) where there's a lot of hay to be made on what happened. Add in the Republicans have hacked away at the IRS's ability to investigate (which, surprise surprise, means they audit more poor people than rich ones because it's cheaper) and of course him taking over as president and you get the mess the NYT describes. stillvisions posted:I was going to jokingly say "if he loses he'll leave office without a fight if he gets a tax amnesty deal from the IRS", but then I realized I wasn't joking. I don't know if you can get "pardoned" from owing the IRS, it's not actually criminal per se unless fraud is alleged (which probably is TRUE, but the audit doesn't depend on that anyway). They could make it so the IRS can't charge him and put him in prison for the lying, but I don't think you can casually waive collection, at least in any way that an incoming different administration couldn't overrule.
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Solkanar512 posted:This is a huge attack line right here. I decided I didn't hate myself enough so I popped into /r/AskTrumpSupporters and as expected there's responses ranging from "NYT has more made up anonymous sources" to "Good, he understands taxes are too high, that's who I want working for me" to "he's a real estate magnate, they all have tax returns that look like this"
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evilweasel posted:Yes. They specified someone who had “legal access” to them (I.e. not a hacker). My guess is somehow this is due to the various Deutsche Bank litigations recently.
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Sep 28, 2020 00:27
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Why can someone cheat on their taxes and be president but people in Florida can't vote if they haven't paid unspecified fines? (This is mostly rhetorical.)
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Oxyclean posted:Why can someone cheat on their taxes and be president but people in Florida can't vote if they haven't paid unspecified fines? I know it's rhetorical, but it's worth acknowledging that there's multiple classes of crimes in this country. The class of crimes committed largely by wealthy educated professionals in suits is punished at a much lower rate and severity than crimes committed largely by poor, working class, and desperate people. If you're a banker and you find a crooked way to ratfuck ten thousand people out of a thousand dollars each you'll be better off legally / punishment wise than someone who breaks into one house and steals a thousand dollars. I will be shocked - shocked - if Trump ever experiences any punishment for tax malfeasance. If anything, there's millions of people who will view it as simply "being smart", "outsmarting the system", "being good with money", etc., even if the actions were objectively against the law. If you stole $10,000 out of your local school's bank account, you'd go to jail. If you illegally avoid $10,000 in school taxes, lots of people are going to think you're a smart good business person. Chimp_On_Stilts fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Chomposaur posted:I absolutely know folks who thought he was a successful businessman. I think part of his appeal was that he'd come in as an outsider and run the country like a cutthroat businessman, cut hard deals with other countries, etc. Yeah I grew up in DE where we were close enough to see and feel the ramifications of his lovely business practices firsthand but it seems like people outside the East Coast didn't really have a sense of who he was until the Apprentice blew up. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Silly question but how do you owe 100 million to IRS and not have them at your front step Be rich.
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Almost Smart posted:So if he loses in November, does he try to slog things out in court and hope his crooked justices just hand him the presidency, or does he cut bait and resign so President Pence can pardon whatever he's able to pardon in the meantime? I think he's old enough to drag things out to the point he never sees a day behind bars regardless, but that's not going to help his lovely kids who are also probably up to their balls in tax fraud and other shady dealings. He drags it out until he dies and leaves it for his family to clean up, which they do badly, and Eric somehow goes to jail over it. It's the Trumpiest thing possible.
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Angry_Ed posted:Wasn't this story not even real/accurate because it comes from the Republicans recent investigation which actually did more to expose even more shady Trump dealings? I think it was that thing where she paid a firm that hired Hunter that money and like...yea no poo poo Hunter's also corrupt but that's a pretty huge difference than 'this oligarch literally cut Hunter a check' yea.
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Do you think that he accepts that he’ll be dead inside of ten years because of his terrible health? I’m divided on him just thinking about it as the inevitable end to his hedonism that he doesn’t really care about because it’s more than five minutes into the future and him refusing to believe that he’ll ever die as he apparently believes that he is in the best health of his life and looks better than he ever has.
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MadDogMike posted:I don't know if you can get "pardoned" from owing the IRS, it's not actually criminal per se unless fraud is alleged (which probably is TRUE, but the audit doesn't depend on that anyway). They could make it so the IRS can't charge him and put him in prison for the lying, but I don't think you can casually waive collection, at least in any way that an incoming different administration couldn't overrule. I mean yes, but that hasn't stopped Trump before from trying, has it? Even if this election is decisive against Trump, he can make things really bad for the lame duck period, and things could get really ugly. He's going to have demands for a smooth (well, relatively smooth) transition of power to happen and for him not declare to his followers this is a coup and to act accordingly. If he has any point of contest over the election, he's gonna use it, and that leaves the US with two options - drag him bodily out from office and a possible armed revolt happening, or he shakes Biden's hand and waddles out the door. You know he's gonna try and negotiate something to stop him from doing the former. November to January is gonna be a hell of a ride no matter who wins, but especially if Trump loses. The only hope is he's not equipped to actually full on sabotage things and his handlers will quietly smile nod and hope he forgets.
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I feel like people are forgetting how much Trump stands to make post-presidency. Speaking fees will get him out of debt.
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FizFashizzle posted:There's lots of useful stuff in there. You can hammer him on the paying 750 dollars for years because that's an easy number that resonates with your typical low info american. Plus he's going up against a guy who's legit one of the least wealthy senators who's built an image about using trains.
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Technowrite posted:I feel like people are forgetting how much Trump stands to make post-presidency. Speaking fees will get him out of debt. Obama couldn’t make that much by 2022.
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Technowrite posted:I feel like people are forgetting how much Trump stands to make post-presidency. Speaking fees will get him out of debt. There's no way he crawls out of a half-billion hole on speaking fees.
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sexpig by night posted:he's just not gonna pay it If the IRS seized a Trump property to pay off this debt, which one do you think would piss him off the most?
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Also remember that he has stiffed the bill on (likely) every single one of his rallies from 2017 to date.funkymonks posted:If the IRS seized a Trump property to pay off this debt, which one do you think would piss him off the most?
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funkymonks posted:If the IRS seized a Trump property to pay off this debt, which one do you think would piss him off the most? Mar-a-lago because I imagine it's his home address now.
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Wark Say posted:Also remember that he has stiffed the bill on (likely) every single one of his rallies from 2017 to date. is that just the policing cost for host cities, or does that include contractors and vendors?
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Chomposaur posted:Growing up in NJ, there was definitely more general awareness of his scummy failed business poo poo, but I reckon to a lot of people he was just The Apprentice Guy who had his name on a lot of buildings and projected success. Also grew up in NJ and comparing someone to Donald Trump was a well-worn schoolyard insult used against dim-witted spoiled kids who moved into the new construction McMansions.
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stillvisions posted:I mean yes, but that hasn't stopped Trump before from trying, has it? I'd be much more scared if he had the military's loyalty, but he doesn't, and the nation's police are (by design) not collectively organized enough to pull off a coup, and his cultists are too cowardly to put up serious resistance. You'll have some lone-wolf attacks which will be scary, but I very much doubt he'll be able to pull off some kind of mass violence enough to stay in power. This isn't to say he couldn't get a 6-3 decision saying Democrats are illegal, but he's simply not staying in the Big Chair through violent means.
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When my tax bill for 2016 came due, I got hosed so hard by it. I somehow KNEW that I was paying more than Trump at that point. Nice to know that I was right. Schoolteachers have to pay for their own supplies and this orange turd can write off millions in business losses for years? That's going to burn really bright for some voters. Also, if he'd just taken his inheritance and put it into a money market account, he would be so much better off than he is right now. He's a lovely businessman. He's failed at everything he's ever done. The next step in his routine is to declare bankruptcy and walk way, which is what he'll do after he loses the election.
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Judakel posted:"That makes me smart!" Why bother wasting your time on this when you could talk about the pandemic? People knew he wasn't paying a million dollars, but people didn't know that he was paying less than what a minimum wage worker pays (which is about $1809 for a single job minwage worker)/
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Technowrite posted:I feel like people are forgetting how much Trump stands to make post-presidency. Speaking fees will get him out of debt. Half a bil in speaking fees from people he has blackmail on.
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