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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
https://twitter.com/marycjordan/status/1310339870666047488?s=20

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1310388421286920193?s=20

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


CuddleCryptid posted:

I'm honestly wondering if there's going to be a point where they have to say "listen its not fraud because im just a dogshit businessman" or if he would rather just go to prison.

He would never say that himself. He would have his lawyers say it for him and he would suspiciously never mention his business acumen during the trial. Then as soon as the trial was over, he would go back to calling himself the best businessman on the planet. Just like when his lawyer had to argue that a reasonable person would never believe him because he lies so much.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

sexpig by night posted:

brad has literally been stealing from the most powerful man in the world for years and before that he was just a nobody rich boy computer toucher, it's probably just stress and poo poo from, ya know, the crimes

it also just came out that said powerful man isnt that rich and is in gently caress ton of debt with everyone basicaly and the only reason they didnt collect was because he was able to bluff and dodge and they wernt fully sure how deep he was in. so said powerful man is super loving mad and scared and is probably screaming at you on the phone too.


How are u posted:

I'm gonna guess Parscale believes that the house of cards is close to coming tumbling down, and that he'll be in *some* trouble when it does. Seems like the most obvious thing.

possibly. i am curious if anymore of this type of poo poo will happen.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Boris Galerkin posted:

I read the entire NYT article as quoted and one thing I don’t understand. The article talks about how you could declare say a $100M loss one year and use that to avoid paying $100M in taxes the upcoming years. The article also talks about how literally every single business Trump owns/ed including his casinos were reporting tens upon tens of millions in losses. And the article talks about how this was his entire MO: make a big payday and then declare losses and pay nothing in taxes and repeat.

Like, are all those businesses just terribly run and managed or did he keep buying and propping up lovely businesses to grift? Like I just don’t see how you could run a casino at a loving loss so it seems deliberate but that would mean he planned it and I don’t know which is more unbelievable: that he ran a casino at a loss or that he planned it all.

Obviously he didn’t plan any of it.

That’s what you hire people to do. Trump is too busy doing locker room talk to take care of his business.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:

Hoo boy, I got a bad feeling that we’re gonna see some really awful poo poo come out of Parscale’s situation and what drove him to desperation. :smith:

As much as I dislike him, I don't wish mental health issues on anyone. I went as far as knowing and planning how id kill myself but thankfully I got help before I ever acted .

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Boris Galerkin posted:

Like, are all those businesses just terribly run and managed or did he keep buying and propping up lovely businesses to grift?

Yes, that's exactly what it is. Trump doesn't have to plan it or even really understand it - once you reach a certain level of wealth in this country, or at least access to capital, there's an entire industry of very smart people who know the tax code better than the IRS does and all they do is find ways to facilitate tax dodging and financial crimes in ways that are "technically" legal. At least until you get audited but that's not really a threat either.

His entire thing has been building or buying businesses that are allowed to crater so he can use that to avoid taxes on whatever profit he was able to squeeze out of them in the intervening period. It's not unique to Trump, lots of rich assholes stay rich this way but he's obviously the most prominent example.

Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 28, 2020

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Angry_Ed posted:

Turns out the Death Star was actually his house.

when you refuse to place a grill over the thermal exhaust port because you need to fund your 5th luxury yacht

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



“Its confirmed Trumps campaign manager tried to kill himself over the weekend as it is relieved trump only payed $750 dollars in taxes.”

People are going to spit their coffee on the wall.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug

Glumwheels posted:

Can this day get any better?

And weird how the police showed up for a wellness check and no one died :thunk:

In a couple of months we'll get the footage of the police gunning down a black grandma next door to Parscale's because she peeked out the window.

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe
As someone who has frequent suicidal ideation, I sincerely hope Parscale gets another opportunity to try gobbling the barrel of a gun.

gently caress him and gently caress anyone who feels sorry for him.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







It’s very likely parscale was just on a bad bender.

The entirety of that White House has a very strong drug abuse vibe. Hell, Larry kudlow had a thousands of dollars a day coke habit. Jr is clearly on hard drugs live in television.

PuntCuncher
Apr 21, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

As much as I dislike him, I don't wish mental health issues on anyone. I went as far as knowing and planning how id kill myself but thankfully I got help before I ever acted .

Parscale isn’t a victim, he’s cornered.

Gaj
Apr 30, 2006
Its money laundering.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Silly question but how do you owe 100 million to IRS and not have them at your front step

The problem is that rich people's taxes are really really complicated. They submit thousands of pages of documents and have armies of accountants whose job it is to make them as complicated as possible. And they have friends in Congress who defund the IRS or preemptively change the tax law so that they don't violate it any more.

Increasing IRS enforcement funding has one of the best ROIs in government expenditures, but somehow it just never gets done.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

haveblue posted:

The problem is that rich people's taxes are really really complicated. They submit thousands of pages of documents and have armies of accountants whose job it is to make them as complicated as possible. And they have friends in Congress who defund the IRS or preemptively change the tax law so that they don't violate it any more.

Increasing IRS enforcement funding has one of the best ROIs in government expenditures, but somehow it just never gets done.

And when the IRS does want to start poking around, guess who can afford armies of lawyers to fight them every step of the way?

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Mat Cauthon posted:

His entire thing has been building or buying businesses that are allowed to crater so he can use that to avoid taxes on whatever profit he was able to squeeze out of them in the intervening period. It's not unique to Trump, lots of rich assholes stay rich this way but he's obviously the most prominent example.

Gaj posted:

Its money laundering.

That’s what I thought the article implied but that would/should also mean that he’s not “really” $500M in the hole unless he (or his people) completely hosed up money laundering as well.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1310389339877236740

clearly he is.


makes me think this probably was related to trump poo poo.

He bought into the cult and was monumental in making this nightmare all possible. gently caress him. I hope he tries again.

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Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Sep 28, 2020

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

PuntCuncher posted:

Parscale isn’t a victim, he’s cornered.

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1310389339877236740

clearly he is.


makes me think this probably was related to trump poo poo.

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

A Terrible Person posted:

As someone who has frequent suicidal ideation, I sincerely hope Parscale gets another opportunity to try gobbling the barrel of a gun.

gently caress him and gently caress anyone who feels sorry for him.

Yeah gently caress this guy. He can be blamed for broke-braining a poo poo load of people towards Trump via their digital strategy in 2016. He was interviewed as part of Frontline's The Facebook Dilemma investigation and the man was absolutely brazen. He deserves whatever is coming to him.

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TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




I really don't want to laugh, but this guy is a huge shithead so :lol:

THINGS GOIN SUPER WELL IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN

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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/702894623761498112?s=20

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1310389339877236740

clearly he is.


makes me think this probably was related to trump poo poo.

Dude's afraid he's going to get Epstein'd.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
i am 1000% okay with mr brad parscale blowing his brains out and i would encourage everyone to encourage him to follow through on his urges

too much is at stake to allow him to live with himself. id much rather send the tram over the maga freaks rather than humanity as a whole

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SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Boris Galerkin posted:

I read the entire NYT article as quoted and one thing I don’t understand. The article talks about how you could declare say a $100M loss one year and use that to avoid paying $100M in taxes the upcoming years. The article also talks about how literally every single business Trump owns/ed including his casinos were reporting tens upon tens of millions in losses. And the article talks about how this was his entire MO: make a big payday and then declare losses and pay nothing in taxes and repeat.

Like, are all those businesses just terribly run and managed or did he keep buying and propping up lovely businesses to grift? Like I just don’t see how you could run a casino at a loving loss so it seems deliberate but that would mean he planned it and I don’t know which is more unbelievable: that he ran a casino at a loss or that he planned it all.

Trump had a management team that ran his casinos. But they all died in a helicopter crash and Trump took the helm. His management style seems to be a lot like the Sears system where businesses he owns are placed in competition with each other. To top this off he didn't give much of a poo poo about the two he had because he pined for a third (can't remember which, but it was one of the big well known casinos) and when he got it, the competition from it destroyed the other two. Then the infighting he seeded with the staff hollowed out the third


Duh hur hur ok Captain Photoshop.
Those papers he shopped in there, those were all blank like those files he presented in 2017, aren't they?

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Sep 28, 2020

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



SocketWrench posted:

Trump had a management team that ran his casinos. But they all died in a helicopter crash and Trump took the helm. His management style seems to be a lot like the Sears system where businesses he owns are placed in competition with each other. To top this off he didn't give much of a poo poo about the two he had because he pined for a third (can't remember which, but it was one of the big well known casinos) and when he got it, the competition from it destroyed the other two. Then the infighting he seeded with the staff hollowed out the third
I begin to see why Parscale may be worried.

Othin
Nov 20, 2002

Hair Elf

Holy poo poo, this reminded me of 22,000 years ago when Trumps big plan was to have tax returns simple enough to fit in a postcard.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Cheering someone on as they’re having a suicidal breakdown is just the sort of thing I’d expect from Trump and his ilk, so can we not?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

SocketWrench posted:

Dunno, even the Joker won't mess with the IRS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4

The Joker pays his taxes and hates Nazis. He is an infinitely better human being than Donald John Trump, Large American President Man.

text editor
Jan 8, 2007
https://store.joebiden.com/I-Paid-More-In-Taxes-Than-Donald-Trump-Vinyl-Stickers-2-Pack/

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Nessus posted:

I begin to see why Parscale may be worried.
He doesn’t have to worry, he’s not competent like those guys were

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

BigglesSWE posted:

Cheering someone on as they’re having a suicidal breakdown is just the sort of thing I’d expect from Trump and his ilk, so can we not?

Sorry mate, pobody's nerfect.

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011




$7.50

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Phobophilia posted:

i am 1000% okay with mr brad parscale blowing his brains out and i would encourage everyone to encourage him to follow through on his urges

too much is at stake to allow him to live with himself. id much rather send the tram over the maga freaks rather than humanity as a whole

Parscale is not a net positive for the trump campaign

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

BigglesSWE posted:

Cheering someone on as they’re having a suicidal breakdown is just the sort of thing I’d expect from Trump and his ilk, so can we not?

This isn't a "suicidal breakdown," this is "Nazis realizing that the Soviets are knocking on their doors in Berlin." It was an attempt to escape scrutiny.

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eke out
Feb 24, 2013




dnd needs more moderators

Caros
May 14, 2008


I caught the nyt article on my phone and was like, wow, trump paid $750 million in taxes? That is way more than I expected but... oh. Yeah, okay, that makes more sense.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Boris Galerkin posted:

I read the entire NYT article as quoted and one thing I don’t understand. The article talks about how you could declare say a $100M loss one year and use that to avoid paying $100M in taxes the upcoming years. The article also talks about how literally every single business Trump owns/ed including his casinos were reporting tens upon tens of millions in losses. And the article talks about how this was his entire MO: make a big payday and then declare losses and pay nothing in taxes and repeat.

Businesses and individuals can "carry over" large losses over multiple years to offset income. If you, as an individual, for example, took an enormous bath on a stock you bought, you can carry over that investment loss for years to offset the income you otherwise made. Businesses can do the same.

This usually is not a problem because most people don't want their businesses to do badly and the effects of massive losses can often be felt for years, so it makes sense to allow those losses to reduce tax liability in later years.

What you see in the Trump article, however, is that Trump and his family are utilizing every tool for self-dealing that they possibly can (like aggressively classifying personal expenditures as "business expenses," or paying themselves (or companies that they own) "consulting fees" and still running the businesses into the ground, either through ineptness or just neglect.

I don't know how much this affects the minds of individual, low-information voters, but it's basically a case study in how no one with real financial knowledge should ever have started dealing with him in the first place. It's also another reminder of how this guy should never have been put in public office because self-dealing is the only thing he does remotely well.

This reminds me of coworkers I used to have back in 2008 (or whenever the Apprentice started taking off) who were wondering why anyone would get in business with Trump. The man's books even brag about his business practices that all involve self-dealing, squeezing contractors, and stiffing business partners and creditors. Add this to another pile of stories about how people in NJ and NY had written off Trump as a flimflam artist decades ago.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

evilweasel posted:

Parscale is not a net positive for the trump campaign

parscale has already been pushed out of the campaign, but whatever culture he cultivated remains and should hopefully continue to drag down the trump campaign even after a large caliber exit wound is found in his dome. its sudden emergence should continue to throw it into disarray

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Trazz posted:

This isn't a "suicidal breakdown," this is "Nazis realizing that the Soviets are knocking on their doors in Berlin." It was an attempt to escape scrutiny.

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=pTu6WScR5SY&video_start=0&audio=mrhCuHSpRy8&audio_start=0

you mean like this?

Phobophilia posted:

parscale has already been pushed out of the campaign, but whatever culture he cultivated remains and should hopefully continue to drag down the trump campaign even after a large caliber exit wound is found in his dome. its sudden emergence should continue to throw it into disarray


he isnt dead.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Sep 28, 2020

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



I'm trying to figure out "why Parscale" particularly with this news

Like yeah he's probably helped the tax fraud scheme and probably is tied up in it, but why your campaign manager (more importantly, your digital troll/ finance guy)?

My only thoughts are that Parscale was cooking the campaigns books and almost all of it went into Donald's pockets, or that Parscale was involved in potentially shady poo poo with Donald's taxes, campaign contributions from "foreign benefactors", or something of the like

I just find it odd it's the digital guy who flips out and not the accountants

Something very shady and very hosed is going on, and Parscale knows something... :thunk:

TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Sep 28, 2020

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BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Is there anything at all that points to his actions being in any way related to Trump shenanigans and not, say, alcohol+stress+drugs or what have you?

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