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The_Doctor posted:And my take on how B5 hyperspace works is ‘don’t think about it’. The show is pretty good about having hyperspace follow the rules consistently. I'm pretty sure the rules they laid out were at least physically plausible based on the physics of the mid-90s, but the jumpgates were designed to make the story work. Beyond those and instantaneous communication with faraway places, the human technology shown was all things that could realistically be made to work. The military aspects of the show were generally realistic, with the huge exception of having ships fight each other within visual range. That's not how anyone even then thought that space battles would work, but you kinda have to do it that way to create something that's interesting to watch.
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B5 hyperspace is simple I think. It's an alternate spatial dimension or universe where distances are shorter. It has no features whatsoever so you have to navigate using beacons from jump gates. There's a current in it that gradually pulls everything in one direction if you have no propulsion. And that's pretty much it.
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# ? Sep 20, 2020 16:47 |
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The_Doctor posted:Mine the area directly in front of the jumpgate. Calm down there Rom
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# ? Sep 20, 2020 19:08 |
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People always talk about brining wormholes but has anyone tried brining wormholes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMykKojRQ8
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# ? Sep 22, 2020 18:56 |
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S3ep11 - Ceremonies of Light and Dark “Tell the ships, we’re open for business.” Halfway through the series! And at that halfway point, everything’s changed. No longer part of Earth, and new uniforms for the command staff. I’d been wondering when they’d turn up since they’re very prevalent in show merch/promotional images. Exactly halfway through the show’s run, we’re now in part 2 I guess. The line above served as a nice mirror to Takashima’s final line in the pilot movie. The station is now coming to terms with Babylexit. It’s amazing the remaining Nightwatch have gone undetected, because they’re clearly nuts. Like homicidally off their rockers. So, you know, true to life. It’s not about change, it’s about wanting to kill people who aren’t straight white men. The meeting looked an awful lot like a Proud Boys/Boog hangout, and their plan seemed particularly daft. Right wing splinter group takes hostage, expects entire force to capitulate. No, sorry. The hostage call to the crew seemed weirdly dumb. Garibaldi or Ivanova at least should have been able to look at a room that size with the very unique large blue ringed things on the floor and go ‘oh that’s part of oxygen recyc, let’s start looking there’. That it takes them that long to listen to the background sound, and slowly piece together, plus Marcus coming in at the right moment to give them the other half of the info. But I guess forensics aren’t high on their skill set. The rebirth ceremony was a nice touch, even if some of the confessions felt weaker than others. I’m giggling imagining Delenn puzzling over Franklin’s confession as he left. “I might have a problem? That’s it? With what? His grin door sticks sometimes? With one of his staff? What kind of problem?!” Also yay Ivanova/Talia onscreen confirmation. No little pieces of fruit this time. Londo being a magnificent bastard with Refa. Did he even really poison him? It genuinely doesn’t matter, it’s like Sinclair’s bit with G’kar and the transmitter way back. It’s good insurance either way. Lol at the way Delenn just walks into the super secure password reset. And the comedy’ AI beat doesn’t really go anywhere. Harlan Ellison is no Holly. Marcus beating up an entire bar to get info seems like overkill. And then Lennier busts in with his fedora and his pure, perfect love for Delenn. Oh dear. Not bad, some bits better than others. It’s all downhill from here in this second half of the show, right?
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# ? Sep 25, 2020 14:22 |
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So now that you're halfway through, where do you think this is going?
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# ? Sep 25, 2020 14:48 |
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ultrafilter posted:So now that you're halfway through, where do you think this is going?
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# ? Sep 25, 2020 16:32 |
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But seriously, I’m guessing the Shadow war will occupy the rest of the season at least, probably some/most of the next. The opening narration talks of ‘the year of the Shadow War’ and they’re not actually at war yet, although it’s drawing very close on the horizon. Wrapping up the aggressive Centauri expansion soon if Refa plays ball with Londo’s request to break off ties with the Shadows. Psi-corps will be in there somewhere, being tied up with the Shadows. Maybe taking the Shadows out will remove a large amount of Bester & co’s power. Clark’s fascist grip on Earth obviously needs dealing with, but that’s a much more insidious beast to kill, but they’re tied to Psi-corps as well, so it might all fall like a house of cards. Post that, I don’t know. More exploration of the Vorlons would be interesting. We’ve got things to look towards, namely Londo as Emperor, and G’kar losing an eye. Morden’s head on a pike would be nice.
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# ? Sep 25, 2020 21:30 |
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*warble warble* ~interesting~ *warble warble*
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# ? Sep 26, 2020 00:39 |
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Babylon 5 was good when it came out but really sucks on rewatch and has not aged at all. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 03:00 |
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I disagree, it is what it is but the strong points are still strong.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 03:39 |
Just finished a rewatch with my kids, and it worked well for all of us.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 08:56 |
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Dalael posted:Babylon 5 was good when it came out but really sucks on rewatch and has not aged at all. Counterpoint: I’m enjoying it immensely, and it’s been oddly prescient in places. Occasionally it looks more than a little ropey, but I’m a Doctor Who fan, and that’s my bread and butter. A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 09:56 |
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I only started watching it this year but I think it's aged pretty well. Its concerns are generally either pretty timeless or extremely relevant in 2020, and on the visual effects side it obviously hasn't blown me away but on the other hand there are only a few times it's pulled me out of the story to think "this looks bad"
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 10:20 |
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I'd recommend leaving this discussion to the blind watchers. We don't want anyone accidentally hinting at something they shouldn't.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 10:35 |
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I think it's fair to say the effects often suffer from being rendered on a series of toasters in 1995 and a lot of the set design in particular looks cheap. But there's a lot more to a show than the visuals. Now and then it aggressively reminds you it's the 90s too. Whether that's a feature or bug is entirely subjective.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 17:47 |
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Now I’m halfway through season 3, the CGI looks a hell of a lot better than it did S1. The only time it goes back to terrible again is when they’re combining a live action shot with CG.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 18:18 |
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It definitely improves throughout, and I think the artistry of the scenes make up for a lot of the rough edges of the effects. But I'm not going to fault anybody who thinks the CGI looks rough, it was 25 years ago so of course it does.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 18:37 |
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The mid-90s were a time of tremendous progress in computer graphics, and the same budget would get you a lot more in 1996 than in 1994.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 18:37 |
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B5 is also firmly in the subgenre of theatrical sci-fi, like classic Trek or the original Twilight Zone. Star Wars is absolutely about effects, though not necessarily exclusively so, and it would never attempt something like Trek's "Spectre of the Gun" episode, where the effects were terrible but that wasn't the point. Dinging B5 on the quality of its effects is like complaining that a Shakespeare play doesn't have any car chases. I'd argue that most of the flaws in S1 are connected with one or two of the directors being in "action" mode, perhaps in part because they thought the dialogue was bullshit. Yes, if you ignore the reason for which the episode exists and concentrate your time on trying to do something you lack the resources to do, the resulting episode doesn't come out very well. So while it's true that an episode like Severed Dreams is great, and that the effects and action portions of the episode are all effective, the heart of the episode is about characters, choices, changes, and relationships. One might compare with classic Trek's "Balance of Terror." There's action, there's space battles, but every single important thing in the episode has to do with characterization, decision-making, and character conflict. B5 allows characterization and decisions to develop and resonate across five full seasons instead of being episodic.
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Narsham posted:B5 is also firmly in the subgenre of theatrical sci-fi, like classic Trek or the original Twilight Zone. Star Wars is absolutely about effects, though not necessarily exclusively so, and it would never attempt something like Trek's "Spectre of the Gun" episode, where the effects were terrible but that wasn't the point. Yeah, I find that the low-budget effects actually gives the show a certain timeless look, since it feels kinda like watching a stage play. You just need to fill in the details with your imagination and not take the tiny sets too literally.
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The_Doctor posted:Now I’m halfway through season 3, the CGI looks a hell of a lot better than it did S1. The only time it goes back to terrible again is when they’re combining a live action shot with CG. This, as I understand the situation, is due to the same missing masters issues that make an HD remaster impossible. Of course, different people involved give different reasons why that is, so confirmed details are sketchy.
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# ? Sep 27, 2020 19:00 |
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Lemniscate Blue posted:This, as I understand the situation, is due to the same missing masters issues that make an HD remaster impossible. Still, the 4:3 version on Vudu makes those composite scenes look a lot better than the widescreen version even though they're probably from the same transfer, just not zoomed in and cropped. I can't recommend the Vudu version enough to anyone who has that option.
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The_Doctor posted:The only time it goes back to terrible again is when they’re combining a live action shot with CG.
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Narsham posted:...Trek's "Spectre of the Gun" episode, where the effects were terrible... Wait, what ? That episode is aggressively stylistic, but it's gorgeous. It's not trying to look realistic, and that is the point - the whole environment is a construct, a stage for a morality play. It may not be the most visually appealing episode, but it's certainly the most effective use of design in TOS.
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mllaneza posted:Wait, what ? That episode is aggressively stylistic, but it's gorgeous. It's not trying to look realistic, and that is the point - the whole environment is a construct, a stage for a morality play. It may not be the most visually appealing episode, but it's certainly the most effective use of design in TOS. Yeah but it only happened that way because the original plan to film on some regular western style sets fell through. It's much better the way it aired, but that wasn't the original plan.
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Ayin posted:The crop+zoom treatment is a cruel joke and I am still mad about the dvds. You can at least understand the crop and zoom - B5 was shot in 16:9 preservation but the CGI was rendered only in 4:3 to save time and money, so they couldn't do a full widescreen release without remastering the effects - but there were non-CGI shots in a couple of S5 episodes that were stretched from 4:3 to 16:9. That's just unforgivable laziness.
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mllaneza posted:Wait, what ? That episode is aggressively stylistic, but it's gorgeous. It's not trying to look realistic, and that is the point - the whole environment is a construct, a stage for a morality play. It may not be the most visually appealing episode, but it's certainly the most effective use of design in TOS. I agree. I also like the effects in B5. But they are not always “good” effects for a value of good that’s more concerned with hyper-realism than theatricality. Some people hate that episode either because they don’t appreciate the difference or they don’t like theater. My point was that classic Trek and B5 fit into a theatrical tradition. Compare to the “new” Star Trek movie franchise, which definitely does not fall into the same tradition. “This is a big fight scene with effects and Kirk on a motorcycle” doesn’t compute in classic Trek (plus there’s not enough shirt-ripping).
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# ? Sep 28, 2020 14:47 |
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I just found this in a box at home. I have the vaguest memory of it being in a collection of trading cards my dad bought once.
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# ? Sep 28, 2020 16:12 |
The_Doctor posted:I just found this in a box at home. I have the vaguest memory of it being in a collection of trading cards my dad bought once. Wow. The shrunken-down version totally looked (to me) like someone photoshopped Ivanova onto a Crucifixion painting. The halo, the pose, everything. I never noticed that visual parallel before now.
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ConfusedUs posted:Wow. The shrunken-down version totally looked (to me) like someone photoshopped Ivanova onto a Crucifixion painting. The halo, the pose, everything. S1: It's actually the crop that's creating the parallel. The control mechanism of the Great Machine is based on Vitruvian Man. And Doc, congrats on your money find. As I recall there were only 100 of each of the signed B5 S2 trading cards.
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# ? Sep 29, 2020 08:54 |
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Jedit posted:S1: It's actually the crop that's creating the parallel. The control mechanism of the Great Machine is based on Vitruvian Man. Oh, I assumed whoever had the card before had got Christian to sign it at a con or something. Huh, neat.
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# ? Sep 29, 2020 08:59 |
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The_Doctor posted:Oh, I assumed whoever had the card before had got Christian to sign it at a con or something. Huh, neat. It could be - I'd do a Google search to be sure, I was posting in a few minutes before firing up the work PC (God bless WFH, I'm in a meeting). But I'm pretty sure that was the image used for her autograph card.
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# ? Sep 29, 2020 09:10 |
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While we're waiting for a reaction to 3x12, add me to the list of posters who have been inspired to do a rewatch because of this thread. Keep it up!
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Epinephrine posted:Keep it up!
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 02:21 |
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Hey thread! I’ve just moved so haven’t been in a position to watch any episodes lately. Hopefully soon though, when I’m settled.
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 12:08 |
Nice flex
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# ? Oct 17, 2020 14:02 |
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sebmojo posted:I disagree, it is what it is but the strong points are still strong. Yah, it IS 90s as gently caress, but mostly in a good way.
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# ? Oct 18, 2020 13:40 |
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Grand Fromage posted:B5 hyperspace is simple I think. It's an alternate spatial dimension or universe where distances are shorter. It has no features whatsoever so you have to navigate using beacons from jump gates. There's a current in it that gradually pulls everything in one direction if you have no propulsion. And that's pretty much it.
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Hey Aardvark, are you still watching?
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