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hobbesmaster posted:just like on the pc apparently it still doesn't even have a shopping cart, so every purchase, even small dlc bits, has to be done as separate purchases, which can trigger credit card fraud alerts if done too quickly. it also still doesn't support all of the currencies and platforms that steam does, so that obviously effects sales the best tale of bought exclusivity was some vr puzzle game (vr tetris?) that epic bought exclusivity for at the last second, but the game still needed steam installed because it used the steam vr library
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DuckConference posted:yes, this app environment which is one of two viable choices and is basically a requirement to participate in society is just like a playstation. this device that will basically be mandatory for everything from flying on a plane to paying for parking is just like an xbox that is used only for games. hmm yes let me text my friends their concert passes from my nintendo switch. the concert example works though, apple lets you buy physical things without a cut, this about paywalled digital assets aka bullshit skins for your avatar I mean a 30% cut is huge when the work is changing variable in a remote database, but you need some overhead for cc processing and staff to handle fraud or payment disputes, maybe they could add a new 15% iap tier and just for that call it the "EXPLOITIVE BULLSHIT IAP" and make the sure the user sees it.
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The_Franz posted:apparently it still doesn't even have a shopping cart, so every purchase, even small dlc bits, has to be done as separate purchases, which can trigger credit card fraud alerts if done too quickly. it also still doesn't support all of the currencies and platforms that steam does, so that obviously effects sales not gonna defend buying exlusives but i'm also not going to fault epic for not building their own vr platform given that anyone who has a vr headset is guaranteed to have steam or oculus installed already
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Sep 29, 2020 17:19
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the epic store is great, ive gotten lots of good games from there and still haven't given them my credit card yet
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hobbesmaster posted:just like on the pc who would have thought that people would get sick of yet another lovely launcher app getting in the way? i do like GOG galaxy's approach which aims to concentrate all the different stores in one app and for the most part works surprisingly well. GOG is also the only one of these stores with a USP (DRM free) although apparently they're not doing too well financially
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Perplx posted:the concert example works though, apple lets you buy physical things without a cut, this about paywalled digital assets aka bullshit skins for your avatar on the other hand getting $0.70 to flip a variable in a remote database is still a ridiculous amount of money
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Trabisnikof posted:the epic store is great, ive gotten lots of good games from there and still haven't given them my credit card yet
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Endless Mike posted:on the other hand getting $0.70 to flip a variable in a remote database is still a ridiculous amount of money i mean, you could say buying the app in the first place is flipping a variable in a database too and you wouldn't really be wrong either attacking rent seeking in general is an attack on capitalism so good luck with that one
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Sep 29, 2020 17:58
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the most interesting bit about it is how to legally distinguish purchasing an app outright from a content subscription and from buying a fancy virtual hat as iap. which is not necessarily easy to do, but could be a great boon if some legal structure is added to that mess.
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fortnite is f2p. epic made a business decision to make money by selling hats rather than selling game licenses, presumably because they make more money that way. in basically every real sense, buying hats is paying for the game, it's just a sliding scale, pay what you want sort of deal. obviously for fortnite the costs of development were well and truly covered a long time ago and all subsequent income is profit, but that's also true for the 420,000th $69.99 copy of "on the fatality of eternal war" or whatever the kids are playing these days, as well as potentially for every other good that can ultimately be represented as just a stream of information it would supremely stupid if that business decision meant they also got to avoid paying apple a cut that they'd otherwise agreed to pay. there is no good reason to treat iap differently from any other way of purchasing software if you strip all the pablum about security and consumer protection from apple's arguments and ignore the review and distribution and platform-watchdog costs — and there's merit to all that stuff, but i don't think it's critical here — apple's position is that taking a cut of software sales on its hardware is a legitimate part of its business, and that the cut it takes is totally in line with the cut taken elsewhere. and epic basically has to argue that walled gardens are inherently illegitimate and that all hardware/OS makers ought to be obliged to allow arbitrary third-party software distribution. i don't think a judge is likely to ever accept that argument; congress would need to change anti-trust law i think there are some much stronger anti-trust arguments against apple, but epic isn't really in a position to make any of them
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fortnite wasn't even originally what it is now, it was a team shooter with some crafting elements until they copied pubg
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a much more reasonable argument imo is that while Apple is entitled to charge money for their services, the amount they are charging for IAPs is wildly disproportionate to the services they are providing even allowing for their need to make a profit and is only as high as it is because they use their market position to force terms which hobble or block competition. if they had to compete with other payment processors the fee for IAPs would be much, much lower. Amazon is probably the best fit to make that case since it is settled fact that Apple engaged in illegal anticompetitive behavior to break into the ebooks market and part of that was forcing Kindle purchases to use Apple for IAP payment processing. keeping that case from happening is probably part of why Apple has a sweetheart deal with Amazon now. Spotify/Netflix are the second best, especially Spotify since they can directly point to customer harm that resulted from Apple's cut (during the time when you could subscribe to premium from the app the price of premium was higher in the app vs the web to cover the cut Apple took). but nope we get Epic and Epic is a very lovely fit to bring that case for all sorts of reasons.
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Sep 29, 2020 20:07
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epic could easily solve this problem by shipping the actual hat to all if their players irl
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Shifty Pony posted:a much more reasonable argument imo is that while Apple is entitled to charge money for their services, the amount they are charging for IAPs is wildly disproportionate to the services they are providing even allowing for their need to make a profit and is only as high as it is because they use their market position to force terms which hobble or block competition. if they had to compete with other payment processors the fee for IAPs would be much, much lower you keep saying "payment processor" as if apple is charging 30% interchange fees. apple is charging commercial rent for the use of its platform, which it puts billions of dollars a year into creating and maintaining. it would certainly be much cheaper to treat the platform as an obligatory cost center useful only as a bullet point to help close a hardware sale; that's what android manufacturers do, unsurprisingly, since they derive no ongoing benefit from the platform at all. but that's a big part of why android is what it is it makes zero sense to charge iap at a lower rate when it's effectively just a different payment structure for the main product. when an app is a directory for independent products, like a book store, that's different
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Shifty Pony posted:a much more reasonable argument imo is that while Apple is entitled to charge money for their services, the amount they are charging for IAPs is wildly disproportionate to the services they are providing even allowing for their need to make a profit and is only as high as it is because they use their market position to force terms which hobble or block competition. if they had to compete with other payment processors the fee for IAPs would be much, much lower. but apple isn't charging a higher rate because of their market dominance, it's always been the same 30% from when they held no market share. why was 30% fine a decade ago but suddenly now it's not?
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FCKGW posted:but apple isn't charging a higher rate because of their market dominance, it's always been the same 30% from when they held no market share. the idea would be to determine whether it is in fact fine, whether it has been going on for 5 minutes or a hundred years.
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Whatever needs to happen for me to be able to buy videos from the Amazon Video iPad app is what I want to happen.
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FCKGW posted:but apple isn't charging a higher rate because of their market dominance, it's always been the same 30% from when they held no market share. because 10 years ago that was 30% of a $1.99 burp and fart piano today it's 30% of a significant portion of online commerce, and it is reasonable to be concerned that we are diving headfirst into giving two companies a 30% cut and absolute control of a massive swath of consumer spending that doesn't happen to involve a physical object.
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FCKGW posted:but apple isn't charging a higher rate because of their market dominance, it's always been the same 30% from when they held no market share. was there actually a point where there was a market and they didn't dominate it? they basically created the app store model, and before that third-party apps weren't really things that normal consumers bought for their phones.
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i just bought a magic mouse and what an outrageously lovely product. just incredibly bad. lmao. immediate return.
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my bitter bi rival posted:i just bought a Magic Mouse lol
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Sep 30, 2020 01:21
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I could buy this nice logitech mouse that is shaped like the human hand and which features a number of useful buttons or I could buy one half of a tic-tac and pretend that parts of it are touch sensitive
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Sep 30, 2020 01:36
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i hosed up!!! the review sites (lol) said it was the best mouse for mac and i overthought it 
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karabiner sucks rear end too how does anyone do actual work on a macbook jfc  
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lol did you capitalize magic mouse in my post 
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my bitter bi rival posted:i just bought a magic mouse and what an outrageously lovely product. just incredibly bad. lmao. immediate return. the good 'magic' products are the keyboard and trackpad, cosmic balance requires the mouse to be so horrifically bad that it averages out to neutral
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my bitter bi rival posted:lol did you capitalize magic mouse in my post hahahaha not manually, but I don't doubt for a second that if my cursor touched the phrase that ios autocorrect decided to capitalize it. god ios is so bad. it truly astounds me that android is somehow worse lmao ios tried to capitalize android (the first time only). gently caress you, capitalization!
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my bitter bi rival posted:i just bought a Magic Mouse what the gently caress? double wtf, it auto capitalized for me too
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The Management posted:what the gently caress? that’s iOS featuring Siri on iPhone for you
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when I switched to a non apple mouse, I had to install a third party app for my m4 and m5 buttons to do anything. it just wonks!
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Clockwerk posted:when I switched to a non apple mouse, I had to install a third party app for my m4 and m5 buttons to do anything. it just wonks! yeah pretty good that fedora worked better with my peripherals than macos does. a macbook as a self-contained device is great but holy poo poo has my docking experience been a nightmare
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my bitter bi rival posted:yeah pretty good that fedora worked better with my peripherals than macos does. a macbook as a self-contained device is great but holy poo poo has my docking experience been a nightmare you aren't supposed to plug it in _there_
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the best part about being a dumbass nerd is configuring your computer in an extremely specific, stupid, and counterintuitive way and then ree'ing out and needing to download a million github repos any time you want to change your workspace setup even slightly. all i did was buy a desk after 6 months of working from my couch 
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hobbesmaster posted:that’s iOS featuring Siri on iPhone for you automatically capitalizes Centris and LaserWriter, but not performa even though it’s in the dictionary. 
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Laslow posted:automatically capitalizes Centris and LaserWriter, but not performa even though it’s in the dictionary. performas don't deserve caps, works as intended
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Sep 30, 2020 08:46
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performa 6400/200 was my main machine for a long time. many fond memories
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https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1311345253576830978
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you'd think he'd have bigger fish to fry than well actually reply guy-ing small time apple bloggers
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that letter doesn't even really support his point, it's a voluntary concession that suggests that apple really didn't want this to impact general users beyond not taking further app updates
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qirex posted:you'd think he'd have bigger fish to fry than well actually reply guy-ing small time apple bloggers Every voice is equal on that cacophonous hellsite
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