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Captain Hygiene posted:Lol, I refuse to believe Smash has cornered the smelly gamer market i'm not entirely sure it's cornered it overall, but it's sure as gently caress the worst out of fighting games as a genre in that regard. i've heard some stories about specific FGC people who are just foul as hell to be around (the aforementioned Marn) but i've never had a horrible stank experience going out to locals to play tekken or guilty gear; meanwhile, whenever i've even been in the same building as a smash tourney, i could smell those fuckers from several rooms away. pokemon players, as noted, can be just as bad (which only adds more fuel to my suspicion that the problem is Nintendo cultivating this bullshit)
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Oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing that they're a major stank force in the gaming community, just questioning exactly how much of it they make up.
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Oct 1, 2020 21:53
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Maybe it's just the fact that I utterly suck at them, but I've never understood fighting games. It takes a certain type of mind to be pulling off joystick spins and 7-button combos all frame-perfect, remembering a near-chess-level list of moves and counters, all while their fighty mens are punching each other, when I can barely manage a hadouken. The fact that Smash seems designed to be the perfect casual fighting game, yet its "hardcore" fandom is so...strangely obsessive. Maybe it's balance.
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Oct 1, 2020 21:54
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They flock to melee though, which has all the twitchiness of a proper fighting game but also gives you a y axis to play on. I know other smashes have a following now, but from what I hear they're not as bad as the melee folk
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Oct 1, 2020 22:03
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I dont think you can blame Nintendo for smash. Thet very specifically say they want nothing to do with the competitive fighting scene
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Oct 1, 2020 22:14
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:adults who are hardcore Nintendo fans do not tend to be very stable people, in my experience. Fishmech once had a huge meltdown because someone mentioned offhand that the Master System outsold the NES in Europe, as if pointing it out was some kind of personal attack.
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Cobalt-60 posted:Maybe it's just the fact that I utterly suck at them, but I've never understood fighting games. It takes a certain type of mind to be pulling off joystick spins and 7-button combos all frame-perfect, remembering a near-chess-level list of moves and counters, all while their fighty mens are punching each other, when I can barely manage a hadouken. play Tekken Tekken looks intimidating if you pick certain characters or gently caress around in the move list too much, but there's multiple characters who are just dirt easy to do well with if you understand stuff like whiff punishing (ie: if the other guy tries to hit you and misses, use the recovery time to get a free hit) my specific advice is pick Paul and learn to love the deathfist, because it does like a third to half a lifebar in damage in one falcon punch, and you can make him look really hilarious in the costume editor (my current Paul is Guy Fieri and I have another who's nearly naked except for a bright pink speedo, and they're wonderful to troll with)
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CharlestheHammer posted:I dont think you can blame Nintendo for smash. They've added competitive modes and held tournaments for the last few games so I don't know if this is really the case anymore. Cobalt-60 posted:Maybe it's just the fact that I utterly suck at them, but I've never understood fighting games. It takes a certain type of mind to be pulling off joystick spins and 7-button combos all frame-perfect, remembering a near-chess-level list of moves and counters, all while their fighty mens are punching each other, when I can barely manage a hadouken. Every couple years I see some cool fighting game and think "this is when I get into fighting games". Then I spend 3 hours practicing my chosen character and raise my success rate on throwing a hadoken from 10% to 22% and give up for another few years. If you've developed the muscle memory for that poo poo when you were 12 it's probably pretty easy to pick up a new fighting game, but if I try to pick up a fighting game it's like watching my mom trying to play Mario Galaxy. Smash is cool because the movement is similar to a platformer and the inputs for all of the attacks are really simple, so I can jump around the stage and do all my cool attacks 2 minutes after picking up a character, as opposed to regular fighting games where even after hours I'm still awkwardly shuffling around and fumbling my basic specials. Don't get me wrong, if you want to play competitively it sounds like it requires just as much muscle memory stuff as any fighting game, it just doesn't require it to actually have fun with the game.
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Fartington Butts posted:Pokémon players have turd-throwing fights. Who wins a turd throwing contest? Either way, you get covered in poo poo, but if you are the "winner", you can claim victory because it's your own? Edit: Re fighting games I actually like the button mashing part of it. Youmadly move the stick and press random buttons and occasionally you see your fighter do something cool you weren't expecting. It doesn't work against people who are actually good/know what they are doing. But it's a fun laugh if you aren't taking a video game too seriously. I also like how if you are playing someone who thinks they are good, often you can beat them by being so awful/childish at the game that all their fancy moves don't work against you. I play video games wrong. BrigadierSensible has a new favorite as of 02:01 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Sakurai said ages and ages ago that he sees smash less as a fighting game and more as a platformer and that's part of why it has floaty gravity and simple combos and all kinds of edge saves, and the playerbase just plugged their ears and went LALALA ITS SERIOUS BUSINESS CANT HEAR YOU
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Oct 2, 2020 04:09
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I want to play Mario as a life simulator where I never have the motivation to move out of the starting position, and there's nothing you can do to stop me Miyamoto-san 
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As a relatively old person with an exhaustive interest in video game history, I'm only interested in Smash as a vehicle for shoving super obscure love notes to the medium in the faces of angry twerps.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I want to play Mario as a life simulator where I never have the motivation to move out of the starting position, and there's nothing you can do to stop me Miyamoto-san If you don't move in Mario 1 you get killed by a Goomba. Clearly Mario Bros is a metaphor for how laziness leads to a slow creeping death
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Oct 2, 2020 04:41
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Pastry of the Year posted:As a relatively old person with an exhaustive interest in video game history, I'm only interested in Smash as a vehicle for shoving super obscure love notes to the medium in the faces of angry twerps. Yeah it always gets a smile out of me when I notice a Nintendo game referencing some super obscure game or bit of trivia, just because they love their own history and haven't forgotten the details they put into their games over the years.
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Oct 2, 2020 04:44
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https://twitter.com/playcenterwd/status/1311733555760967680 He mad.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Yeah, one version of the story is the town blacksmith could read well and people would gather to listen to him, and when the main characters finally get married they rang the bells in celebration. It’s such a cute thing. There were the equivalent of fan merchandise too like you’d see at a convention today, like painted fans and playing cards. I realise this is an old post, but what do you mean by 'kiwi' type? All our 'CHUD's care about is 1080
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The Moon Monster posted:l Give Mortal Kombat 11 a shot if you get the itch again. It’s really approachable since most specials have the same template (two directions and an attack button) and the story mode is great for teaching you a large chunk of the characters. You’ll probably get turbofucked playing online but you can become competent enough to absolutely clean the floor with your friends pretty easily. Plus it’s a great game for when you’re hanging out with people (drat I miss hanging out with people) because everybody loves Mortal Kombat.
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Piss Meridian posted:I realise this is an old post, but what do you mean by 'kiwi' type? Maybe they mean kiwi farms people? Edit: removed gendered reference
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Maybe I'm a loving idiot, but how does this ruin the game? They added another character (out of what, forty at this point? And they've been adding another every three months?) with a unique moveset, that's it. Is just the presence of a mascot from another franchise insulting or something?
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It's Steve! From minecraft! The game for babies! I don't know. People are dumb and stupid.
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Steve is usually used as a example of a joke character because "he just swings a sword or pickaxe" and to be fair he still looks like a joke character. So people get mad at this perceived terrible thing while in actuality it looks like a ton of effort went into making him both work and be interesting to play. In short, nothing is bad, people just mad.
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The only argument against the character I can understand is that Minecraft really has nothing at all to do with Nintendo besides being on a Nintendo console at some point. However, Smash Ultimate specifically now has several characters who fit that bill like Snake, Bayonetta, or Banjo/Kazooie, so it's a bit late to start complaining about that now. edit: And you could argue that even the characters I just listed are at least icons of gaming in some way, whereas Steve Minecraft is just the default skin that you replace with your own skin five minutes after launching the game. Minecraft is an iconic game, but the default Minecraft skin dude isn't really what comes to mind when you think of it. Were that the discussion being had, I could at least sympathize even though at the end of the day who cares the game has like 60 characters just play someone else. Unfortunately it is not, because a small subset of the internet are huge whiners who just want to be mad at something without coming up with a reason why first. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 14:16 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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I think the Minecraft guys is kind of a sucky addition but on the other hand who cares.Ugly In The Morning posted:Give Mortal Kombat 11 a shot if you get the itch again. It’s really approachable since most specials have the same template (two directions and an attack button) and the story mode is great for teaching you a large chunk of the characters. You’ll probably get turbofucked playing online but you can become competent enough to absolutely clean the floor with your friends pretty easily. Also not a fan of gore porn. But aren't the controls similar to Injustice? That's one of the fighters I tried and gave up on. The Moon Monster has a new favorite as of 15:14 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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The Moon Monster posted:I think the Minecraft guys is kind of a sucky addition but on the other hand who cares. Yeah, it has similar controls, though I’ve never been able to get super into Injustice even though I absolutely love MK. I dunno if it’s from the game itself or because DC characters just don’t do it for me.
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Injustice 1 was weirdly unforgiving on some stuff, Injustice 2 on the other hand plays smooth like butter and lets you beat the hell out of Superman with a Ninja Turtle.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, it has similar controls, though I’ve never been able to get super into Injustice even though I absolutely love MK. I dunno if it’s from the game itself or because DC characters just don’t do it for me.
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Soulcalibur 2 was the only fighting game I has halfway decent at. Mainly cause all I had to remember was a few back + B moves, and get the hang of timing attacks. Thing is, when the fight is on, and my adrenaline gets going, all I can do is button-mash; I don't even remember to block. Doesn't help that I don't have a console anymore...and that, as I get old, I seem to get worse at video games. Also, Smash Bros is a great game, but only if you play it drunk, with several other people at your level of skill and/or drunkenness. 4- player all-Jigglypuff deathmatch forever.
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CJacobs posted:If you don't move in Mario 1 you get killed by a Goomba. Clearly Mario Bros is a metaphor for how laziness leads to a slow creeping death
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Isn't it like conventional wisdom that the 1-1 Goomba has killed more people in video games than any other single baddie?
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Biplane posted:Mental Illness, Loners Only, No Medication Talk about a Final Destination!
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Game agnostic character indifferent button mashers represent! 
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sick of Applebees posted:Maybe they mean kiwi farms people? Yes, it was a lazy farms ref. As for Minecraft, fighting game stream Maximillian Dood pointed out the people who grew up with Minecraft are 18-20 now. Smash is a celebration of gaming from Pong to Sans, to leave Minecraft out would be ignoring a huge shift in gaming. I’ve seen people taking about buying Smash now because of it.
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It's arguable that Minecraft is the game that was the biggest influence over 2010's gaming. If there's any franchise that's earned it's place in Smash, it's definitely Minecraft.
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It's because they think Mincraft is a game for children and filthy casuals, and not a respected NintendoTM branded property. If it had been some obscure NES character like the wizard fron Fire 'n Ice then they'd be creaming themselves.
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No they wouldn’t, those kind of “fans” would be griping that a character from Earth n’ Air didn’t get in instead. Phy posted:Isn't it like conventional wisdom that the 1-1 Goomba has killed more people in video games than any other single baddie? 1-1 Goomba for Smash!
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This is truly one of the most embarrassing things I've seen.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:1-1 Goomba for Smash! No actual attack moves and is weak overall, but touch him anywhere other than directly on top and you get +100% damage
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When Jigglypuff sings to stun other characters Steve pulls out a bed (from Minecraft naturally) and places it real quick and hops in like he's just choosing to sleep or something, and if you don't think that's the funniest way to animate that then I think your sense of humor is incompatible with video games
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Nostradingus posted:This, plus the endless "leaks" that are always, always wrong. Im reading this thread from the beginning and lol
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:adults who are hardcore Nintendo fans do not tend to be very stable people, in my experience. I have to suspect part of it is because the rest of the FGC was built up out of the arcades where bad behavior would be more likely to be punished (shunning/getting banned from a arcade for being disruptive/etc), and the lower entrance cost and wider proliferation of machines (in arcades or corner stores or wherever) resulted in a far more diverse player base. Whereas Smash grew up more in the living rooms/basements of suburbia, you'd be playing with your friends so bad behavior would be more likely to be tolerated, and then the real obsessives get on forums/Game FAQs/4chan and got themselves into a self-reinforcing feedback loop.
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