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Rev. Bleech_ posted:The worst part of the Jamie Foxx news was seeing Humberto Ramos tweet "now bring back Andrew Garfield". Goddammit Ramos. Garfield was fine and deserved better.
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Andrew Garfield is a living Humberto Ramos drawing
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Oct 2, 2020 05:57
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Vince MechMahon posted:Garfield was fine and deserved better. Prove me wrong!
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Oct 2, 2020 06:00
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He did a very bad job. But the movies were also bad for other reasons.
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Oct 2, 2020 06:19
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I only saw the first Amazing Spider-Man, and I liked it well enough, but I have to admit that as I left the theatre, I was like, "all those character scenes were the same scenes in the first Raimi movie." From the awkward dinner on down, it seemed like they recycled all of them. It was weird.
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Oct 2, 2020 07:30
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Having Garfield give Peter a tough New York accent was certainly an odd choice.
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Oct 2, 2020 13:49
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Garfield is probably the best actor to play the role, but gave the worst performance in the worst films which is just how it works sometimes.
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Oct 2, 2020 14:02
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He was great but they should have set it in college, dude could not pull off high school age. Emma Stone was also fantastic. Martin Sheen and Sally Field were my favorite Ben and May.
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Oct 2, 2020 14:05
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McGuire was a good Parker but a meh Spider-Man, Garfield was a great Spider-Man but bad Parker. Tom Holland actually manages to get both parts of the role down really well.
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Oct 2, 2020 14:10
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Yes Holland has been my favorite for those reasons
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Oct 2, 2020 14:19
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Rumor is Maguire is blacklisted by a lot of big name people over that Molly Bloom/poker stuff on top of already being a generally disliked dick from his "Pussy Posse" and Spider-Man days. He's done like 5 movies in 10 years and the only one you heard of was with his best friend Leo DiCaprio in Great Gatsby, and he had to produce a couple of the others.
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Oct 2, 2020 14:20
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Rhyno posted:He was great but they should have set it in college, dude could not pull off high school age. Emma Stone was also fantastic. Martin Sheen and Sally Field were my favorite Ben and May. I'm convinced they didn't write dialogue for Garfield and Stone who were dating at the time, it just read just 'flirt for X minutes' in the script. They almost had too much chemistry.
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Oct 2, 2020 15:12
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Being an actual couple made their screen relationship that much better.
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Oct 2, 2020 15:14
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Vince MechMahon posted:Garfield was fine and deserved better. Yeah the guy himself was fine he just happened to be saddled with the worst script/plot/everything else possible
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Oct 2, 2020 17:40
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Does anyone have that lol list of "hip young things" that Peter could do in the Amazing movies that some exec came up with? I think it had something like "can we have him be into skateboarding?"
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Oct 2, 2020 17:58
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Hulk Smash! posted:Does anyone have that lol list of "hip young things" that Peter could do in the Amazing movies that some exec came up with? I think it had something like "can we have him be into skateboarding?" He can eat avacado toast, do a tik tok dance and get teargassed by a cop.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:01
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Hulk Smash! posted:Does anyone have that lol list of "hip young things" that Peter could do in the Amazing movies that some exec came up with? I think it had something like "can we have him be into skateboarding?" “A coked up Sony exec” posted:Spidey thought
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Oct 2, 2020 18:15
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That tough mudder part has always stuck with me since part of Spidey's origin is the "gently caress it I'll use my powers to win at wrestling oh no I learned a lesson" so it feels hilarious to just add another NBD sport he dominates at.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:23
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Also Peter graduates in TASM2 so he'd just be on the very, very tail end of the range of millennial.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:24
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I like the exec felt compelled to explain a humble brag.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:30
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As funny as this is, they managed to work the EDM stuff into ASM2 with Electro and it was kind of neat. Broken clocks and all, I guess.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:45
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Yes, thank you! lol still.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:47
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I forgot about the NBD part and now I'm hoping that the excellent NBD joke on BoJack Horseman was inspired by someone reading that email. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcprBCaU34U Apparently a character in the Emoji Movie also has the line, "It's NBD, no big deal!" Someone at Sony has NBD as their giant mechanical spider.
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Oct 2, 2020 20:14
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I see zero% of Spider-man or Peter Parker in Tom Holland's performance.
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Oct 3, 2020 07:21
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I thought Holland was perfect when he got introduced in Civil War, but my estimation goes down in each subsequent film. It is not his fault, the way he's written is a big factor, at this point he's playing Iron Man Jr. more than he is Spider-man.
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Oct 3, 2020 08:17
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I don’t really agree with the idea that Peter should be depicted as a stereotypical nerd. For me Garfield comes closest to my ideal depiction despite the bad movie around him. He should be offbeat, a bit of an outsider, but not pathetically inept or awkward. My ideal Spider-Man movie would be snappy and cool, but not in the cloying, focus tested way where execs try to bandwagon onto stupid teen trends. The current movie industry probably isn’t capable of doing this, but I think in an ideal world an Edgar Wright could pull it off. Or hell, let Joseph Kahn do it.
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nemesis_hub posted:I don’t really agree with the idea that Peter should be depicted as a stereotypical nerd. For me Garfield comes closest to my ideal depiction despite the bad movie around him. He should be offbeat, a bit of an outsider, but not pathetically inept or awkward. My ideal Spider-Man movie would be snappy and cool, but not in the cloying, focus tested way where execs try to bandwagon onto stupid teen trends.  Peter is a scrawny science nerd, not a skateboarding weirdo with a 200 dollar haircut.
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Oct 3, 2020 09:31
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I don't think portraying Peter as an outsider is wrong but the problem was that Garfield's Spider-Man was a tremendously unsympathetic shithead. It's only the chemistry between him and Stone that saves the entire Gwen Stacy/Peter Parker thing from being a loving travesty. The writing was just so scattered and awful that it did almost no favors to him. When he had scenes that weren't written with the central idea of "What if Peter Parker was a complete rear end in a top hat to everyone he knew at all times" he did a great job with them, there's just like 2 of those scenes in his entire movie lineup.
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Oct 3, 2020 09:50
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Lurdiak posted:
Why should we cling to an archetype from 1962? Do you think Iron Man movies should be about Elon Musk fighting communists in the jungle?
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Oct 3, 2020 09:53
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nemesis_hub posted:Why should we cling to an archetype from 1962? Do you think Iron Man movies should be about Elon Musk fighting communists in the jungle? I don't know, maybe because it's the core of the character? I'm not asking for him to dress like that and talk about wheatcakes or go to the hopscotch or whatever, I just think being a shy nerd who gets picked on is a pretty timeless thing, and the interest in science is directly tied to his crime fighting. Bullying still exists, in case you weren't aware, and Spidey's whole thing is being relatable because of his real human problems, dealing with bullying being one of them. Him being some kind of above-it-all outsider just didn't work, and it was one of the many baffling choices in the film.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't think portraying Peter as an outsider is wrong but the problem was that Garfield's Spider-Man was a tremendously unsympathetic shithead. It's only the chemistry between him and Stone that saves the entire Gwen Stacy/Peter Parker thing from being a loving travesty. The writing was just so scattered and awful that it did almost no favors to him. When he had scenes that weren't written with the central idea of "What if Peter Parker was a complete rear end in a top hat to everyone he knew at all times" he did a great job with them, there's just like 2 of those scenes in his entire movie lineup. Garfield's best scene as Spider-man is sadly like his last scene. Peter has lost Gwen, he's defeated the villains but so what? It's all pointless and he is in mourning and nobody on Earth would blame him from walking away from all of it. And then the city needs him because Rhino is going to attack. And it's just seeing this broken down young man, get up, crack a joke to hide his pain and casually walk into battle? It's like the perfect summary of Peter Parker as this everyman hero. In what was probably the most comic accurate Spider-costume put to film. And it occurs right at the end of the movie. There is something so sad about that.
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nemesis_hub posted:Or hell, let Joseph Kahn do it. A super hero film in the style of Detention has been my dream for years.
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Lurdiak posted:I see zero% of Spider-man or Peter Parker in Tom Holland's performance. The "Avengers" bank heist is where MCU's Spider-Man was at its best. The rest of the time MCU Spider-Man isn't really being intentionally funny, but accidentally so. Lurdiak posted:I don't know, maybe because it's the core of the character? I'm not asking for him to dress like that and talk about wheatcakes or go to the hopscotch or whatever, I just think being a shy nerd who gets picked on is a pretty timeless thing, and the interest in science is directly tied to his crime fighting. Bullying still exists, in case you weren't aware, and Spidey's whole thing is being relatable because of his real human problems, dealing with bullying being one of them. Him being some kind of above-it-all outsider just didn't work, and it was one of the many baffling choices in the film. Peter is a nerd but I don't buy him as shy or mega dorky the way Tobey was. Being a nerd or getting picked on high school is relatable but there are lots of different types of nerds and lots of reasons why someone would be bullied or outcast in school, especially if the students mostly grew up together through earlier grades.
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Oct 3, 2020 14:23
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Ultimate Spider-Man is better, and does not have the majority of those boxes ticked.
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Oct 3, 2020 14:28
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It's just so dumb to see people say that Andrew Garfield wasn't like the comics Peter when he absolutely, perfectly, embodied the 80s, 90s, and 00s Peter Parker.  Your glasses are real rose-tinted if you think the snarkass trickster hero that went around punking friends and foes alike throughout the last few decades of publication was depicted through Tobey mumblewhisper Maguire or Tom "gee thank you Mr. Stark Sir! may I please have another Sir!" Holland
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Oct 3, 2020 15:22
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It's almost like this character that's been in multiple continuous weekly publications for nearly 60 years with a ton of different authors and artists has taken on a great deal of different personality traits, roles, and archetypes over that time.
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Oct 3, 2020 16:16
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Fair enough, I can understand if Garfield doesn't necessarily portray the Peter Parker that someone's envisioned, if people will also recognize that the guy from the comics they're envisioning pulls pranks on Johnny Storm, stands up to Wolverine on the regular, and can and will beat the actual poo poo out of Iron Man if pressed. Wanting him to be some nebbish shut-in or doe-eyed milksop is really bizarre.
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Oct 3, 2020 16:32
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Aside from his general demeanor and sense of humour style the one thing that helped define Peter for a long time was the chip on his shoulder. He had an angry edge to him often when things weren't going his way and thought things were unfair. It's not just circumstances or misunderstandings that cause problems for him, sometimes he's actually a bit of a dick! It's why the spider powers went to his head. You hate to see him act that way when it happens but it also makes him so much more real and relatable. They've filed down that edge since and most adaptations and newer versions make him more of a golden boy. In the movies I think the only time you really see it is the "I missed the part where that's my problem" part of the very first movie.
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Oct 3, 2020 16:36
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I don't think it's really terribly useful to try and define an "ideal" Peter Parker that a screen version has to emulate, everyone has a different idea of what they want. Personally I don't like Garfield not because he failed to be the Real Peter Parker or something, it's more that within the movies themselves, he was not the sort of hero I wanted to root for. He's just such an rear end in a top hat, and not in a fun way, and the movie didn't seem to even realise it. Even the whole OMG, he has to LET HIS GIRLFRIEND GO TO UNIVERSITY is such an egotistical dilemma. No, I don't think that made him relatable at all.
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The best on screen Peter Parker was Topher Grace and you know it
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