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WeedlordGoku69 posted:Don't the Godzilla cards count as the same as their originals for deck purposes? I would just rule it so that the TWD licensed card and the generic card count as the same card. They have the original names on them, below the main name box, so to use the same method they'd have to print the TWD name on the cards. They could rule them the same without doing so, but it would be new ground. Again, not impossible, they just haven't shown a inclination towards doing so. And lol, the Walkers are generic zombie tokens, but done in a rules-wise hamfisted way for enhanced Brand Awareness.
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aren't they just legal in commander, legacy, and vintage? it's not like you'll be able to roll up to FNM and play with them
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Len posted:aren't they just legal in commander, legacy, and vintage? it's not like you'll be able to roll up to FNM and play with them Yeah but commander is real, real popular. Also they announced they'll be actively looking to pair the magic game system with other brands going forward, and heavily implied more things just like this are already in the works. E: basically:
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I mean, I saw a Ravinca setting guide for D&D 5th Edition, so the crossovers are happening both ways.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:Don't the Godzilla cards count as the same as their originals for deck purposes? I would just rule it so that the TWD licensed card and the generic card count as the same card. mark rosewater (one of the poor people between the fanbase and the management) has said they can do exactly that if/when they get reprinted on his blog
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Super Waffle posted:I mean, I saw a Ravinca setting guide for D&D 5th Edition, so the crossovers are happening both ways. They're both Hasbro products and all the mtg settings guides I've seen (they do one for most worlds) were free releases since they know people will do it anyways. If any two brands actually have synergy it's mtg and dnd, given that the former is the spawn of the latter. I daresay those guides are actually good marking. Dnd is also a lot more flexible wrt most anything, really. This would be like sitting down to a traditional swords and sorcery game of dnd and someone comes in and their character is Glenn from The Walking Dead. E: well speak of the devil Aranan posted:Seems like this isn't restricted to just Magic over at WotC. Actually I think these will all do fine and probably don't belong in the thread. WotC saying they'll just release cards and declare them to be the same card should ameliorate a substantial part of the criticism. They'd've probably avoided a lot of this if they had explicitly said so up front as they were dancing around it and they've never done it before. They've also got to print the cards, but baby steps. Fantastic Foreskin has a new favorite as of 03:40 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Volcott posted:They call exodia the forbidden one but he's not actually forbidden, just cumbersome. Funny thing is that so many of Yugi's signature cards aren't tournament legal, if that Dragon Ball Abridged short is any indication. (I think Pot of Greed is basically its Black Lotus) I'm not sure if Exodia is, though. Thing is that it's easy to see it coming from a mile away. I remember watching an episode of the anime where a henchman's gimmick is having three full Exodia sets in his deck and lots of milling cards to assemble a set as soon as he can.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is that so many of Yugi's signature cards aren't tournament legal, if that Dragon Ball Abridged short is any indication. (I think Pot of Greed is basically its Black Lotus) I'm not sure if Exodia is, though. Thing is that it's easy to see it coming from a mile away. That hemchman's strategy was always illegal, just because you've only ever been allowed one copy of each Exodia card. So it's never really been a strong deck, but it is a hilarious gimmick. All of Yugi's famous cards have pretty much all been tournament-legal. Sure, he's got stuff like Pot of Greed and I think Graceful Charity that were banned, but basically everyone on the show used them for much the same reason they're now banned: it's a really easy way to get some momentum going when you don't have any. Which is great for when you're writing stories about those card games and you need your hero to be able to bounce back from near defeat, but not so great for a real card game. Most signature cards you can think to name in a big character's deck in that show are tournament legal, and some of them have evolved into whole deck themes of their own. The one exception I can think of, which Kaiba used to win a big duel late in the original series, was Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. Chaos Emperor Dragon was actually the reason Yu-Gi-Oh got an outright banlist in the first place, because it was capable of completely insane plays with such little kickoff (you just needed to remove a Light and a Dark monster in your graveyard from play) that at the time there just weren't ways to counter it. Chaos Emperor Dragon getting banned was actually such a big deal that it was a minor plot point in an episode of Yu-Gi-Oh GX, in fact.
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They had to split the Winged Dragon of Ra up into like six cards to cover all the nutty stuff it got to do as the Final Boss Monster.
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Byzantine posted:They had to split the Winged Dragon of Ra up into like six cards to cover all the nutty stuff it got to do as the Final Boss Monster. Yeah, they're still coming out with new cards to depict all of the Winged Dragon of Ra's bullshit. And it's still not actually good, it's the worst Egyptian God Card and basically none of them are worth playing. In fact, Ra is so bad that it's generally advised that you use some of his support cards without even having Ra itself, they're actually more useful if they don't have the Winged Dragon of Ra as their endgame. My favorite instance of show-game non-synergy is Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Because it's an iconic card that got a bunch of support so it could be more viable, and Kaiba uses some of those cards in the show... but he's the only person in the world who owns that card. So it's never stated, but it can only mean that in-universe there's cards being printed for exactly one person to ever use.
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Kaiba owns three of the Blue-Eyes cards to be precise, and it's actually a plot point that he tore the only other one in half so no one else could use it. Figuring Pegasus prints additional support cards just because Kaiba pays out the nose for them. It's pretty common in these games that big setpiece cards like Egyptian Gods are typically waaay more trouble than they're worth. Actually that's also a thing in the show too; the Egyptian God Cards are all described as basically evoking actual gods and bring down major consequences for frivolous use.
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Cleretic posted:My favorite instance of show-game non-synergy is Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Because it's an iconic card that got a bunch of support so it could be more viable, and Kaiba uses some of those cards in the show... but he's the only person in the world who owns that card. So it's never stated, but it can only mean that in-universe there's cards being printed for exactly one person to ever use. Weren't Pegasus's Toon cards also exclusive to him?
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Serperoth posted:Weren't Pegasus's Toon cards also exclusive to him? On top of a couple of his most broken cards as backups, yes. I think a later show implies they were eventually released to the public, probably having been toned down. Funny thing is that Pegasus is already cheating out the rear end since his Millennium Eye lets him literally read minds, and when that gets disabled Yami points out that Pegasus is a lousy duelist even with his overpowered deck because he's become so reliant on it. Weevil also tosses a full set of the Exodia cards overboard rather than let any potential opponents get them. (Though it does make some sense, since they don't fit Weevil's deck and style)
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Serperoth posted:Weren't Pegasus's Toon cards also exclusive to him? Ghost Leviathan posted:On top of a couple of his most broken cards as backups, yes. I think a later show implies they were eventually released to the public, probably having been toned down. Funny thing is that Pegasus is already cheating out the rear end since his Millennium Eye lets him literally read minds, and when that gets disabled Yami points out that Pegasus is a lousy duelist even with his overpowered deck because he's become so reliant on it. The Toon decks make a fair bit of sense in that it's Pegasus, the actual creator of the game, using them. They spent a lot of time in-universe workshopping them, which you can actually see when he turns up in later episodes with updated Toon cards--not just new cards, but updated older ones. It makes complete sense that that's how they handled it, and it lets them showcase new cards in the archetype without getting stuck with the 'but why does Paladin of White Dragon even exist' problem Kaiba had. Plus, it ABSOLUTELY plays pretty well to the target audience to sell them the pitch of 'these are cards so powerful only the game's creator gets to use them, and now YOU can buy them'. Most of the 'big' characters in the series avoid the issue. There's some instances (two different rivals in GX have explicitly unique decks, but both of them are shown to have it because of connections to Pegasus; the protagonist gets unique cards in the second season, but Pegasus outright states they just haven't been released yet when he sees), but for the most part they have the sense to make it clear that your heroes aren't the only ones with these cards. Hell, the first season of GX has an undercurrent of a redemption arc for Joey's deck, by showing that in the right hands those cards are actually pretty terrifying.
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The main problem is the anime focuses on making one big chunky boy for drama but that’s just not what the actual card game does. The anime basically has no removal so cards that are insane in the anime actually kind of suck when you can just kill it by some other method Hilarious wing dragon of Ra sphere mode sees competitive play because it can be used as spot removal
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I can't seem to find a video, but early on in Arc V one of the villains does an actual realistic combo (X-Sabers). It takes forever, was super annoying, and ends up summoning and recycling the same card like 4 times. I feel like they put it in there just to shut up that nerds that wanted real combos in the anime.
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The Cock Magic episode of South Park is probably one of the more realistic examples of a card game depicted as an epic duel, iirc the boys are more impressed by combinations of cards being played rather than any specific one being deployed. (also the card being played by a trained chicken. And followed up by Stan's dad shooting his dick off) Merchandise-selling shows tend to have a bit of a challenge in showing off characters and plot devices, depending on what they're trying to sell.
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There was a 90s jrpg ad I vaguely remember. It was a two page ad with a house that had an overgrown lawn, newspapers piled up, and a starving dog. The implication was that Shadow Madness(?) was such a good JRPG you would forget about your life
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have I got a trove for you I think they're doing spooky-ish games for October and last month's theme was embarrassingly horny print ads and boy, the 90s edge-geniuses (who, it always has to be said, were working their side of the street well into the early 2000s) were all over that.
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Pastry of the Year posted:have I got a trove for you Oh God I remember too many of these. Checking out all the gaming magazines I could find at the library and trying to convince my mom that they were acceptable reading, hoping she'd never see any of the ads     This one's pretty funny though, you can get what they're going for but the texturing and color makes it come across as gross hairy butt instead of sexy butt.
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This one always struck me as dumber than the rest.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:This one always struck me as dumber than the rest. I remember back in the day Gamer Dudes Uncomfortable Playing Girls were pretty common. A sentiment that seems like it's largely disappeared, or I've just insulated myself from the communities they hang out in.
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buddhist nudist posted:I remember back in the day Gamer Dudes Uncomfortable Playing Girls were pretty common. A sentiment that seems like it's largely disappeared, or I've just insulated myself from the communities they hang out in. I remember it being a discussion point in favor of male protagonists. Girls are willing to play male characters, boys don't like playing female characters, and providing a choice of male of female character is hard, so it just makes sense that all protagonists be male. Except Laura Croft. Turns out boys are willing to have a female protagonist if the POV is staring at her butt the whole time. Male gaze to the rescue!
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Facebook Aunt posted:I remember it being a discussion point in favor of male protagonists. Girls are willing to play male characters, boys don't like playing female characters, and providing a choice of male of female character is hard, so it just makes sense that all protagonists be male. Heterosexual men are gross.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I remember it being a discussion point in favor of male protagonists. Girls are willing to play male characters, boys don't like playing female characters, and providing a choice of male of female character is hard, so it just makes sense that all protagonists be male. i'm like 90% positive it was on these forums i read someone saying they make female mmo characters because "if i'm going to be staring at an rear end for hundreds of hours it's going to be female" How Rude posted:Heterosexual men are gross. basically this
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buddhist nudist posted:I remember back in the day Gamer Dudes Uncomfortable Playing Girls were pretty common. A sentiment that seems like it's largely disappeared, or I've just insulated myself from the communities they hang out in. I was working in retail for the Streefighter 2 launch on SNES. Both of the managers were hell of into it, so we all got at least competent at the game, and could play customers if it was slow and you were caught up on cleaning and other bullshit. I never got anywhere on their level, even after a year or so I sucked compared to the pros. But I had figured out that gamer dudes hate losing to female characters, so I got good at Chun-Li. I may have consistently lost - badly - to our assistant manager, but against 90% of the customer base I could make them look bad. With Chun-Li. people would rather get demolished by Ken or Ryu than take a close loss against Chun-Li. It was hilarious.
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Sadly, Konami effectively killed off the MGS franchise, our last, best hope to achieve butt parity
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Captain Hygiene posted:Sadly, Konami effectively killed off the MGS franchise, our last, best hope to achieve butt parity One of the great unforced errors in all of gaming history.
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I've never watched Yu Gi Oh in my life. Someone explain to me how you can have a show about people playing a card game. Like, I'm using Magic as a substitute in my head and it sounds ridiculous. Do the cards come to life and stomp around or something?
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Eclipse12 posted:I've never watched Yu Gi Oh in my life. Someone explain to me how you can have a show about people playing a card game. Like, I'm using Magic as a substitute in my head and it sounds ridiculous. Do the cards come to life and stomp around or something? I googled Yugioh and it sounds like someone took peyote and then wrote a script based on their visions. They do come to life and stomp around. quote:The plot follows the story of a boy named Yugi Mutou, who solves the ancient Millennium Puzzle, an ancient cursed game possessed by the spirit of a pharaoh who serves as the Judge of Evil. Yugi awakens a gambling alter-ego within his body that solves his conflicts using various games. Most of the incarnations of the franchise involve the fictional trading card game known as Duel Monsters, where each player uses cards to "duel" each other in a mock battle of fantasy "monsters".
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Eclipse12 posted:I've never watched Yu Gi Oh in my life. Someone explain to me how you can have a show about people playing a card game. Like, I'm using Magic as a substitute in my head and it sounds ridiculous. Do the cards come to life and stomp around or something? Yeah they come to life and there's a lot of yelling. It's goofy as poo poo but in a fun way. This playlist showcases the show's tone nicely.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I remember it being a discussion point in favor of male protagonists. Girls are willing to play male characters, boys don't like playing female characters, and providing a choice of male of female character is hard, so it just makes sense that all protagonists be male. What the gently caress is this dumbass bullshit? Do you even think or do basic research before you post this horseshit? It’s Lara.
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Eclipse12 posted:I've never watched Yu Gi Oh in my life. Someone explain to me how you can have a show about people playing a card game. Like, I'm using Magic as a substitute in my head and it sounds ridiculous. Do the cards come to life and stomp around or something? Yes, basically. In the show the game is computerized so huge hologram monsters fight it out. (Plus the original has some cool "Egyptian magic was real" stuff)
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oldpainless posted:It’s Lara. It’s “Yanny”.
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They stomp around as holograms so the action is like pokemon, but even in universe they're just playing card games at each other.
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Eclipse12 posted:I've never watched Yu Gi Oh in my life. Someone explain to me how you can have a show about people playing a card game. Like, I'm using Magic as a substitute in my head and it sounds ridiculous. Do the cards come to life and stomp around or something? there's a little bit of that, but it's not the main focus. really they just try to make the act of playing a card game as intense and dramatic as possible
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