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Invisible Clergy posted:Ryona. Don't google it if you aren't already familiar; it will make you sad. Thankfully the first result I got was harmlessly adorable.
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Kavak posted:The ink allows plausible deniability, but those marks on her look awfully bruise-like... I also thought those eyes and expression don't look like someone rolling their eyes either but maybe that's just spending too much time in this threqd
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Oct 3, 2020 16:13
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No fair, he didn’t give the cat a tiny gross human body and face. I thought you liked this style Mookie!
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Oct 3, 2020 16:15
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The main issue is that he obviously considers it 'his personal style'. It's why, even with the tracing (or very close copying of references), the hands are meaty stumps and Luke Goss' eyes and mouth are significantly larger. It does, almost, look like what other cartoonists do when they exaggerate features. What this means, though, is that he's really not looking to improve; he's just trying out different arrangements and refinements of the Deegan Anime Features. And when he reaches the limits of that approach, by trying out stuff like shading... 
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Oct 3, 2020 16:42
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He said as much in that "documentary" video. He thinks people who criticize his art for staying the same over 11 years do it because they're mad at him for not changing his style, and doesn't even consider that it's because his art should have improved after doing it for so long.
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Oct 3, 2020 20:04
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Lol what the gently caress is this "Put the romance back in necromancy". Not this poo poo again, he's really obsessed with sexy necromancy lately
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"Putting the romance back in necromancy" is a strong thread title but might get the thread closed.
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SardonicTyrant posted:"Putting the romance back in necromancy" is a strong thread title but might get the thread closed. He's gone full "Subtext is for cowards" with his fetishes after yesterday.
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Oct 3, 2020 20:13
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There was never any subtext, only justifications.
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Robot Style posted:He said as much in that "documentary" video. He thinks people who criticize his art for staying the same over 11 years do it because they're mad at him for not changing his style, and doesn't even consider that it's because his art should have improved after doing it for so long. As a point of reference, here's Pascalle Lepas' art in 2003:  And here's Pascalle Lepas' art in 2020:  Or another, here's Kate Ashwin's art in 2003:  And here's Kate Ashwin's art in 2020:  And finally, here's Michael Terracciano's art in 2003:  And here's Michael Terracciano's art in 2020:  To be excruciatingly fair, there's some technical improvement in Mookie's art too, he seems to have finally dropped the anime snoutfaces for example, but man. It still sucks so much.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Lol what the gently caress is this Does he even realize he's used this joke like three or four times? Also...flute was clearly a dick in the reference pic he traced.
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TheHan posted:Does he even realize he's used this joke like three or four times? Also...flute was clearly a dick in the reference pic he traced.
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he's not lazy, he's subverting the ArtEvolution trope E: I was joking but then I thought I'd check and...  yeah it... the new scribbles definitely got a bit cleaner than the old scribbles. did mookie write this himself Dabir fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Oct 4, 2020 |
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Didn't Buckley get caught editing the CAD wiki page once? I guarantee you Mookie's fingerprints are on at least of few DD public pages, he's just never been called out on it like Buckley because... Let's be real, more people care about Buckley and CAD.
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I think if Mookie was editing his tvtropes page it wouldn't say things like this:  but then...I can't see anyone besides Mookie seeing a theme in Dominic Deegan. So who knows!
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TheHan posted:I think if Mookie was editing his tvtropes page it wouldn't say things like this: The desperate attempt to make meaning out of anything you've spent hours reading is common, and some people don't know how to closely read for the unconscious bad ideas of Dominic Deegan, so are left looking for an actual thematic point made intentionally. Also lol at the idea that 'knowledge' is ever part of Dominic Deegan. Things being so shallow as to be instantly understood by nerds, more like. Real depth of complexity is for people who actually go into a field of expertise, nerds get by with loving Loving Science and puzzling out lore intentionally built to be understood. Tlon, Ukbar, Dumbass Tertius.
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Joe Slowboat posted:The desperate attempt to make meaning out of anything you've spent hours reading is common, and some people don't know how to closely read for the unconscious bad ideas of Dominic Deegan, so are left looking for an actual thematic point made intentionally. I’m feeling personally attacked 
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Lol what the gently caress is this i really don't like that his satyrs have shaved assholes
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Regalingualius posted:I’m feeling personally attacked I'm so sorry you were flung into this hell. Only literary theory can save you now.
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TheHan posted:I think if Mookie was editing his tvtropes page it wouldn't say things like this: The character page entry for Siegfried feels very Mookie in tone though, it's falling over itself talking about what a bad evil guy he is.
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Mookie definitely wrote some entries on pages referencing Deegan himself, even if some of the entries on the main page are mildly critical of it after being edited by other tropers.
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Mookie ruined Inktober early this year, I see.
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Moving away from bukkake ghosts, let's dive back into the storm of souls! Chapter 12 The Storm of Souls Part Nine  Hard jump cut to Dominic experiencing some sort of weird magical effect before pulling an Obi-wan. I guess this is what happened because his mind got burned in the magic fireball.  I'm not sure what the best revisions here are supposed to do except recap things we already knew. That middle one is Jayden and Luna by the way. I forgot up until this moment that Karnak was a human raised by orcs, that's the pseudo-indigenous Orcish garb he has on in panel two. So here for reasons I don't really understand it's revealed that Claude Hark's weird face was actually a breather mask he was using. But as far as I understand it he never left this plane so I don't know why he needed that mask. But they have this whole isolation the first four panels here but I don't understand at all why any of it is necessary and it doesn't seem to make sense given what we've seen so far of what Klo Tark was doing. And it ends with not the worst pun. I don't think it's ever established what Klo Tark is, if there are more of his kind or where they live. Are they elemental beings or do they live in an alternate material plane, who knows I guess it doesn't really matter but I feel if you introduce stuff like this in a setting like this a little bit of back story would be good.  Here's where we learn how much of a Mary Sue Dominic really is. Already there's a question of why he is the champion, what sort of special powers he has been granted but and by who, because there aren't any gods or spirits or elemental forces involved here. As far as you can tell he's been chosen as the champion of law by a temporal paradox and Klo Tark here. Here are all of a sudden laws associated with light, and Of darkness, sort of contradicting what Miranda was saying, but whatever .But there's a twist he's not the champion of light and law! Could this be a revelation that Dominic is less important than we thought and that he's going to have to be more clever about how he's going to beat Celesto? NOPE!!!  Dominic is the Champion of Balance. Is he in a better story after establishing that the law can be used for evil which Mookie has spent several strips emphasizing, a character who is been chosen as a champion of light and law might struggle with being forced into a position where they have to kill someone to defend an ideology they don't really believe in. He can be sympathetic to Celesto, and try to find an alternate way for all this to play out that doesn't involve killing him, a good old reversal of prophecy plot that works well in adventure stories. But instead it turns out that the log golem wasn't actually the champion of law he was the previous champion of balance that is to say the one who decides I guess what the actual order of the world is supposed to be. Again the problem with trying to point out flaws in this sort of thinking is that of course in Mookie telling the story it always works out. But again we have this case where his self insert character gets to decide how the world should work because he's been chosen by the God Mookie to to be his representative. The prime directive was stupid often but in spirit you can understand why it would exist so that you don't have something like this for someone who isn't guaranteed by the author to always make the right choice. Because while the chosen are cacklingly evil, there still hasn't been any direct contradiction of some of the points Celesto was trying to make before he became all incel. The world is imperfect and maybe it does need change, and the balance that Mookie is talking about here is one where injustice prevails oftenA Again it's all moot because for it to have any interesting themes you would have had to give these characters ideologies and beliefs and Mookie can't do that. But choosing to do this, to make his self insert the character that transcends both of the forces he set up in this conflict through no other way than just having a character announce it is ridiculously fanfiction. Like, come on.   So Dominic is off training with King Kai, when you get the vision from Rillian. These two strips are mostly wasted space, but I do have to credit Mookie that that final panel is pretty good in terms of a cliffhanger and in terms of visual, even if the Halloween tombstones in the background are a little cliché.  In case you want to more confirmation that this is all the power fantasy for Mookie we have this.  See I understand why he would have this set up, with Rillian testing Dominic to try and prepare him for the battle ahead. But he hasn't earned it! He hasn't earned overcoming his fears! He's done nothing to justify this change! Also Jacob's reasoning to join the chosen is incredibly confused since I feel like again the idea is that they're going to destroy the world. It's extremely unclear if a world without laws means a world without states that lives in anarchy or a world that is subject to none the physical laws of reality, because it has been presented as both at various points in the story.  I don't get the ending interaction at all, I don't know why Celesto would do that. I know this is the expression I just don't understand how it's relevant here.  So Dominic finally does something to screw up, a welcome change from the stories so far. And we get the classic "join me" villain moment.  And here's where I'm going to take issue and write a big paragraph of text again  So here, Dominic is saying that he agrees that the world is broken, and that his problem with using the storm of souls isn't that it's a psychotic idea to to decide that you decide who deserves to die and who deserve to lives, but that the storm souls isn't selective enough in who it will kill. He is thinking that Celesto is deluded for believing that he can control the storm not for desiring to remake the world in his own image. This is bad. This is obviously in a certain sense Mookie bleeding through, because this is the same type of idea we see in star power, this idea of great force used to only hurt the bad people and bring about justice as defined by Mookie. So Dominic never refutes Celesto's idea that he gets to choose who lives and who dies that there is such a thing as sick people who need to be amputated. It goes back again to Donovan's speech, that said that most of the world isn't worth saving but the people who are willing to save others are. It's again this deep misanthropy that Mookie carries with him that he pretends he doesn't have. It places him above the rest of humanity in the position of judge, which is very much in keeping sort of liberal Western chauvinism he displays in star power. I find it really interesting that it emerged here so early in his work, because I think ultimately that's one of the big driving ideas behind a lot of Mookie stuff most people are worthless and he gets to decide who has value.   What follows is a set of meaningless action cycle plain nonsense were Dominic uses magic power to literally save the souls of the poor dead students from TIM's attack. Why they would be in this peril is really clear since they were killed by the servant of the demon of chaos so they have nothing to do with this! But whatever..   This is very confusing to me because I thought that the souls of the chosen were the storm of souls, so I'm not really sure how they can be eaten by the storm; I think it's just Mookie's excuse for another bloody glory visual. Also the storm as a shapeless mass was sort of fun before but now that it has become like a giant Chain Chop shaped thing, which is dumb   Nimmel gets to say sorry to girl mookie, who would totally have fixed him. Again the fact that Dominic is the one doing this is ridiculous toll usually over the top saccharine nonsense. the revelation of why really in betrayed the Deegans to the chosen is also sort of and it's not with the game changing or surprising in any way.  Here's the famous inflating breasts. Look at what Helixa is wearing in panel four, and then look at her in panel six. It seems choking has caused her tatas to swell so much that they no longer fit inside of her corset thing. But this is also saying up that Helixa can't be killed, which you think would matter, but actually won't. It doesn't Mookie have two death scenes in the comic for her though, beyond this one.  Dominic taking the place of a literal angel here. And with the sense of finality that really feels like it was meant to end the comic despite the fact that Mookie already had ideas for continuations the story loops around to Dominic's very first adventure with Luna, at the lake. It seems weird that is not an intentional full circle to end the comic but I guess Mookie maybe try to have it both ways.  everybody's updated.  I don't know what Donovan is supposed to do in this situation but whatever. This moment between Luna and Miranda isn't bad on its own but it I just can't muster any excitement for it because it doesn't feel earned in any way. In other comic this would be a good summation of a relationship that these two built, but as is it just more powers being loaded up onto Mookie's waifu Luna is allowed to use magic offensively in this arc though so she's at least not totally useless.  Dominic is still being a puppetmaster somehow. That clothing spell is going to come up in a weird way so it's not totally useless, except insofar as all of the story is pointless. No much more to say is a summary for this particular section, other than again to reiterate the fact that Mookie reveals his judgemental superiority again, and that the whole section with the students' souls is ridiculous if I was invested in the power fantasy maybe I would be behind it but as it is it just makes me hate Dominic more.
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Dominic was very clothed-minded, back then.The Little Death posted:I don't get the ending interaction at all, I don't know why Celesto would do that. I know this is the expression I just don't understand how it's relevant here. I think the intent is to show that this whole display of Jacob's reasons did not happen, it was just Celesto reading Jacob's thoughts or something. Very poorly conveyed but it's what is implied by having the speech bubble coming from the Jacob in Celesto's eye, rather than from Jacob.
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Ah yeah, that would explain why the first half is b/w, including the image in his eye, and the second half is coloured. An attempt was made, I guess.
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So now all Dominic has to do is collect the Blackstone Serpents and the regalia of the Hierophant of Order and he can go to Skullcrusher mountain and stop Baitlin from opening the Wall of Lights to release the doom of the world caused by the inbalance of the Serpents of Chaos and Order and--wait.
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The Little Death posted:
e: ALSO HE HAS THE GALL TO TRYING TO USE "VILE ZOMBIE" AS A SICK OWN TWICE IN THE SAME STRIP
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I thought I remembered Dominic figuring out he was the champion of balance on his own, but nah. Klo Tark and Rillian just spoon feed Dominic information, then teleport him to what needs an eye lasering. And I get that Klo Tark's supposed to sound like a wise mentor guiding Dominic, but Mookie's writing is so bad that Klo Tark talks to Dominic like he's a baby learning new words. Every TV Troper story ends like this.
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How exactly is Jacob limited or constrained? From what I remember he's never chased or pursued by any law types, except maybe his mentor for clear and understandable reasons? In fact he never enters into the plot unless he needs something.
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The Little Death posted:But choosing to do this, to make his self insert the character that transcends both of the forces he set up in this conflict through no other way than just having a character announce it is ridiculously fanfiction. Like, come on. To be honest, I actually kinda doubt that Mookie ever read Moorcock, but what he's written is like Elric fanfiction by someone who doesn't understand the series and wonders why it ended the way it did. Why wouldn't he just renounce Arioch and become a Lord of Balance and rescue Cymoril and get a happy ending, and Moonglum and Zarozinia can get married and, and, and? The Little Death posted:I don't know what Donovan is supposed to do in this situation but whatever. This moment between Luna and Miranda isn't bad on its own but it I just can't muster any excitement for it because it doesn't feel earned in any way. In other comic this would be a good summation of a relationship that these two built, but as is it just more powers being loaded up onto Mookie's waifu Luna is allowed to use magic offensively in this arc though so she's at least not totally useless. There's supposed to have been character development but Mookie just never bothered to actually do it and assumed we'd fill in the gaps. I think it's part of the reason the bit between her and Nimmel falls flat (but certainly not all the reason!), we've never really seen her heal because her vulnerability is used to explore (if such a term can be used here) Dominic's character rather than hers, so the sequence feels unearned.
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SardonicTyrant posted:How exactly is Jacob limited or constrained? From what I remember he's never chased or pursued by any law types, except maybe his mentor for clear and understandable reasons? In fact he never enters into the plot unless he needs something. He got slapped down by Rillian, and seeing as it was the first setback Jacob's ever experienced...It completely radicalized him against the world. The real answer is that Mookie's bad guys are all on the side of evil, so they're always on the same wavelength when one of them wants to team up. I remember there being some douchey guy who shows up later and he goes from being a nuisance to actively working to keep Maltak desolate for no reason other than evil
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Hang on Is this how dominic normally dresses? Purple scarf, neon green shirt, and orange coat?
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Zereth posted:Hang on yes
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Zereth posted:Hang on
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Mookie has a thing for yellow, self-admitted.
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Zereth posted:Hang on Fingerless gloves too. All he's missing is a fedora.
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I had the realization that Dominic's character is literally just this infamous image, but he studied vague knowledge instead of the sword: The last line in particular is absolutely something Mookie would write.
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