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Edgar Allen Ho posted:That's absolutely not my experience and I went to a public school in the heart of yeehaw Alamo Texas. I'm genuinely convinced that there's a "woe is we, the americans, dumbest and worst of all peoples ever, we've never even heard of another country, except for me the smart one" for every MAGA fucker People that are stupid often generalize their own idiocy onto others.
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mind the walrus posted:I suppose I'm just lucky to breathe in your farts then. No but you could actually describe your american public school history lessons from wherever you took them, because I am not a loving representative example instead of you know, the "yeah us americans get owned we don't know poo poo haha" thing Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 03:18 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:No but you could actually describe your american public school history lessons from wherever you took them, because I am not a loving representative example I typed out a huge response to this but instead I’ll say lmao get em In case of confusion I live here and I support Edgar 100% Gomiboy has a new favorite as of 03:44 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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I must be the only person who gives the VA a lovely approval rating out of 11/12 people who actually answer the survey or whatever. It is dogshit to work with.
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American schools teach that monarchy was an awful, despotic form of government to live under, and isn't it amazing our demigod-like Founding Fathers broke those chains and created the almighty, infallible position of the President. Now memorize every single one of them we've ever had without actually learning anything about how the position is meant to function or how hosed up our legislative and judicial branches of government are.
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:American schools teach that monarchy was an awful, despotic form of government to live under, and isn't it amazing our demigod-like Founding Fathers broke those chains and created the almighty, infallible position of the President. Now memorize every single one of them we've ever had without actually learning anything about how the position is meant to function or how hosed up our legislative and judicial branches of government are.
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PetraCore posted:I was taught that the advantage of a democracy was that you get to kick people out of ruling. you occasionally get to do that in a monarchy too.
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Yeah but then it gets to be a whole thing and you don't want to kill kids but hundreds of years later you'll have a bunch of snobs running around larping nobility for defunct titles and murdering their entire families to avoid facing the realities of bankruptcy and it's like, really?
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:American schools teach that monarchy was an awful, despotic form of government to live under, and isn't it amazing our demigod-like Founding Fathers broke those chains and created the almighty, infallible position of the President. Now memorize every single one of them we've ever had without actually learning anything about how the position is meant to function or how hosed up our legislative and judicial branches of government are. 20 years ago maybe
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It doesn't matter what is taught in schools because 85% of everybody forgets any fact they don't interact with regularly, so nobody remembers that the President isn't an autocrat, and they pick up that he is from lovely media because we absorb more from culture that we ever do from the teacher.
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PetraCore posted:I was taught that the advantage of a democracy was that you get to kick people out of ruling. I can see the failing in the US education system if you think the distinction is Democracy vs Monarchy.
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PetraCore posted:Yeah but then it gets to be a whole thing and you don't want to kill kids but hundreds of years later you'll have a bunch of snobs running around larping nobility for defunct titles and murdering their entire families to avoid facing the realities of bankruptcy and it's like, really? I learned recently there are still people claiming the Habsburg name. I can't imagine wanting to be associated with that shitshow.
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Aramoro posted:I can see the failing in the US education system if you think the distinction is Democracy vs Monarchy. I went to what I think was a pretty good school (US History teacher was dope, she was one of the first women to graduate from Yale and the first and only adult I knew who was openly LGBT+) and we still were taught that democracy was good and monarchy was bad and nothing in between. It wasn't until I read a Sociology book years later that I realized there were other forms of modern governments. I know Sociology is seen as a fluff subject, but it's the first class that taught me about inequality and social issues and different governments and other things that really should have been incorporated into a high school curriculum. If any US goons are in college (or, hell, have local continuing education courses) I highly recommend it. It fills in a lot of the blanks.
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I am a little foggy today from Benadryl, but surely people here aren’t arguing for monarchy being good? Just that electoral democracy isn’t necessarily good, right?
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AlbieQuirky posted:I am a little foggy today from Benadryl, but surely people here aren’t arguing for monarchy being good? Just that electoral democracy isn’t necessarily good, right?
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Tiggum posted:I'm pretty sure they're just making the point that the two aren't opposites or even mutually exclusive. And apparently American schools conflate monarchy with feudalism? Which must make it extremely confusing to any kids who are aware that the UK has both a queen and elections. If we're lucky. Most of the time American schools are busy contrasting democracy with communism.
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Tiggum posted:
Ah, I see you're new to locally-oriented Australian politics. People get VERY serious about these things. I once participated in a literal stakeout at a polling place the night before election day to stop vandals. And it turned out to be necessary.
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Tiggum posted:I'm pretty sure they're just making the point that the two aren't opposites or even mutually exclusive. And apparently American schools conflate monarchy with feudalism? Which must make it extremely confusing to any kids who are aware that the UK has both a queen and elections. No, the concept of constitutional monarchies is explained. We learn that the monarchs of the UK, Sweden, Denmark, etc. aren’t actual heads of government, just ceremonial heads of state. The confusing thing for people in the US are countries that have both a Prime Minister and a President, because which of those people are in charge varies from country to country. Like, I know that in France the President outranks the Prime Minister, and I’m pretty sure that in Ireland the Prime Minister outranks the President (not looking it up), but after that I am completely lost.
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Cleretic posted:Ah, I see you're new to locally-oriented Australian politics. People get VERY serious about these things. A stakeout by the cops?
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AlbieQuirky posted:No, the concept of constitutional monarchies is explained. We learn that the monarchs of the UK, Sweden, Denmark, etc. aren’t actual heads of government, just ceremonial heads of state. I just wish schools would focus harder on explaining the concepts of "head of state" and "state" in general, vs. "executive". Like the labels are less important than being able to describe the actual jobs I was probably 25 or 30 before I could articulate what the "State Department" was for
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there was a class called "comparative government" I took in high school in TX that went over all of this football / whatever sport takes up all your elective hours if you're in them, that's why most Americans don't know poo poo. well, that and they just never paid attention
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AlbieQuirky posted:I’m pretty sure that in Ireland the Prime Minister outranks the President (not looking it up), but after that I am completely lost. Yep,the irish PM (Taoiseach) has the actual political power, the President is a largely ceremonial role, and is supposed to be an impartial non party-affiliated defender of the constitution
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And the current President of Ireland has the added bonus of looking like Danny DeVito playing Bernie Sanders.
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hawowanlawow posted:there was a class called "comparative government" I took in high school in TX that went over all of this Yeah, I don't know how schools outside the US work, but my HS required us to play 1 sport a semester instead of Gym class. Figure in 2.5 hr practices in the afternoon followed by an hour at the weight room (if you're on a really competitive team), games 2x a week, and an "optional" 6am practice, and it's a miracle I got through high school at all. And I'm not even good at sports! I lettered once, senior year and lost like 15 lb from stress. If you're a competative athlete, I honestly don't know you make it.
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Hubbardologist posted:And the current President of Ireland has the added bonus of looking like Danny DeVito playing Bernie Sanders. Miggeldyhiggins.
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The second part is the reason for the first part. Anything that teaches you to think critically about the nature of things tends to get dismissed as 'fluff' because it challenges the status quo.
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AlbieQuirky posted:The confusing thing for people in the US are countries that have both a Prime Minister and a President, because which of those people are in charge varies from country to country. Like, I know that in France the President outranks the Prime Minister, and I’m pretty sure that in Ireland the Prime Minister outranks the President (not looking it up), but after that I am completely lost. Minister = head of a government department Prime minister = first minister, i.e. the head of heads of government departments, i.e. head of government. Does not inherently express the power balance between levels of government. President = one who presides, i.e. leads an assembly. See also "chairman." A deliberately humble title used to indicate that the holder is not a dictator, often ironically. If you have a president who outranks the prime minister, you're being confusing on purpose.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:If you have a president who outranks the prime minister, you're being confusing on purpose. You talk to France about this one.
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We could call the big head honcho something completely low-key like "Secretary"
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Later season Meadow Soprano energy
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AlbieQuirky posted:You talk to France about this one. You think I haven't tried?
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Pookah posted:Yep,the irish PM (Taoiseach) has the actual political power, the President is a largely ceremonial role, and is supposed to be an impartial non party-affiliated defender of the constitution Oh lmao our president in Poland is supposed to be the same thing. Suffice to say that lol
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goblin week posted:Oh lmao our president in Poland is supposed to be the same thing. Suffice to say that lol Sorry about your country's swing towards insane rightwing bullshit  . It's not fair and not a reflection of the many awesome Polish people who just coincidentally chose to not live in Poland anymore and emigrate to Ireland instead. A polish guy introduced me to the glory that is guinness vodka and homemade pickled herrings and I will always love the polish people as a result.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Minister = head of a government department In my country president deals mainly with foreign affairs and diplomacy and Prime Minister runs the domestic side. So the president is the main figure head of the country, but the prime minister has way more effect on people's lives. For example, the prime minister has been doing all the COVID-19 communication and handling.
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Countries have both a President and a Prime Minister so that one can rule domestically while the other leads the army against the Persians.
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