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D-Pad posted:Not only is this true, but the true point of the program is not to fill jobs there aren't enough Americans for, although that is the stated purpose and a real benefit. The real purpose is pulling the best and the brightest from around the world strengthens America AND weakens other countries. Bingo. There's a huge amount of really talented engineers in other countries, either we hire the top talent here and they pay taxes here, or they will be working or starting businesses elsewhere. America's technical dominance has relied upon being able to bring people here and still does. There isn't some tightly-held critical knowledge like in certain high-end manufacturing that we can hold on to and expect to maintain some lead, and in most of those cases there's usually some major subsidizing going on in the name of national security anyways.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Not believing that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt is also an admission of guilt. This post is an admission of guilt.
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Quinton posted:As someone who's worked as a Software Engineer for 20+ years and had the misfortune of trying to hire Software Engineers in this country, no, there are not in fact enough qualified folks out there to do all the jobs. Have you tried offering them at least market value for their skills? Is training not a thing anymore or do all employers expect everyone else to bear the cost of that?
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Aineris posted:You're completely incapable of critical thinking. I disagree.
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Aineris posted:You're completely incapable of critical thinking. I agree. Goons posting here have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
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There Bias Two posted:Looks like he popped a blood vessel. One eye being bloodshot is one of the covid symptoms. 
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BigRoman posted:I agree. Goons posting here have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. lol no, Goons aren't "good people." I, for one, absolutely suck. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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quote:Eight of the patients had chemosis, which is inflammation and swelling of your conjunctiva. Your conjunctiva is the transparent lining that covers the front of your eyeball and the inside of your eyelids. Normally, you shouldn’t be able to see your conjunctiva, unless you have super-vision or are exceedingly small and can see the very fine blood vessels that course through your conjunctiva. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/04/06/these-eye-problems-could-be-symptoms-of-covid-19-coronavirus/
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Aineris posted:You're completely incapable of critical thinking. Anyone remember Maddox? 
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Imagine being an American citizen and part of the special club and letting outsiders in and having them take your jerbs cause you weren’t able to or willing to compete against their zeal to succeed and offer value as good or greater and make sacrifices to go through a long arduous process to be a citizen to have a safer better life while being hated on and you have to have the government bail you out to protect your weak inferior lazy rear end, lmao, just imagine. Because that’s clearly what America is, a special clubhouse that doesn’t owe treating human beings well and justly even when they pay taxes. How great a nation.
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Doctor Butts posted:Have you tried offering them at least market value for their skills? The only way to grow profits is to cut expenses by any means.
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Arcsquad12 posted:If Pence wants to needle Harris over a gaffe then Harris should ask him what his mother thinks about him getting rear end hosed by a horse. Any reason you assume it was a gaffe rather than taking part in the common meme that Tupac is alive? Unrelated, I thought the bit about Americans having trauma reactions to the unending horror that is their lives was interesting: https://eand.co/the-rise-of-the-american-idiot-dd6c85c445ba quote:I tell my European and Asian and Canadian friends, in return, that America really is different. It’s a place where death stalks people breathing down their necks every single day of their lives. What else do you call a thing hospital bills in the hundreds of thousands? “Medical bankruptcies”? A lack of healthcare is a very real form of violence, too.
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Darkrenown posted:Any reason you assume it was a gaffe rather than taking part in the common meme that Tupac is alive? probably because she's weirdly lied about listening to tupac before he was performing to try to pretend she's just a normal weed smokin person and not the lady who brutalized people for doing it.
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There Bias Two posted:Looks like he popped a blood vessel. Yup. I've had that before. Funny enough it was when I had H1N1 and coughed so much and so hard my eyes looked like that.
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A friend of mine had eyes like that while she was pregnant. She was popping blood vessels from puking so much.
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So what do people think the Biden administration is going to be like? I predict there's a honeymoon period over Summer 2021 where the media congratulates itself for saving democracy, but by year's end Biden's approval ratings will be as bad as Trump's or worse. They'll pass an inadequate climate bill, a healthcare bill that just adds more subsidies to Obamacare and maybe expands Medicaid, but no more major legislation. The Dem Congressional delegation will be dysfunctional such that they won't even successfully pass governmental upkeep and housekeeping stuff like refunding IRS and re-staffing federal agencies etc. As the mood sours, the media will crank up the screaming at red rose twitter to record levels and ignore the far right which will continue to grow. Can't say if Dems will lose in 2022 or 24 but it seems ominously likely
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"I'm speaking." I loving love seeing ratfuckers being put in their place for interrupting.
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icantfindaname posted:So what do people think the Biden administration is going to be like? I predict there's a honeymoon period over Summer 2021 where the media congratulates itself for saving democracy, but by year's end Biden's approval ratings will be as bad as Trump's or worse. They'll pass an inadequate climate bill, a healthcare bill that just adds more subsidies to Obamacare and maybe expands Medicaid, but no more major legislation. The Dem Congressional delegation will be dysfunctional such that they won't even successfully pass governmental upkeep and housekeeping stuff like refunding IRS and re-staffing federal agencies etc. As the mood sours, the media will crank up the screaming at red rose twitter to record levels and ignore the far right which will continue to grow. Can't say if Dems will lose in 2022 or 24 but it seems ominously likely
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icantfindaname posted:So what do people think the Biden administration is going to be like? I predict there's a honeymoon period over Summer 2021 where the media congratulates itself for saving democracy, but by year's end Biden's approval ratings will be as bad as Trump's or worse. They'll pass an inadequate climate bill, a healthcare bill that just adds more subsidies to Obamacare and maybe expands Medicaid, but no more major legislation. The Dem Congressional delegation will be dysfunctional such that they won't even successfully pass governmental upkeep and housekeeping stuff like refunding IRS and re-staffing federal agencies etc. As the mood sours, the media will crank up the screaming at red rose twitter to record levels and ignore the far right which will continue to grow. Can't say if Dems will lose in 2022 or 24 but it seems ominously likely
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Gatts posted:Imagine being an American citizen and part of the special club and letting outsiders in and having them take your jerbs cause you weren’t able to or willing to compete against their zeal to succeed and offer value as good or greater and make sacrifices to go through a long arduous process to be a citizen to have a safer better life while being hated on and you have to have the government bail you out to protect your weak inferior lazy rear end, lmao, just imagine. Because that’s clearly what America is, a special clubhouse that doesn’t owe treating human beings well and justly even when they pay taxes. How great a nation. This is the first time I've really thought about the work visas, but isn't it anti-labor and pro-capitalist regardless, whether it's for software engineers or farmworkers? Artificially increasing the worker pool to drive wages down and make people desperate to take what they can get, with the side benefit of I guess some poor foreign workers can come to America to be poor here instead? Also, why is it so controversial to say that a country is supposed to look out for its own citizens first? I'm not trying to do a slippery slope thing here, but shouldn't maintaining a decent quality of life for American workers take precedence over allowing more immigration?
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icantfindaname posted:So what do people think the Biden administration is going to be like? I predict there's a honeymoon period over Summer 2021 where the media congratulates itself for saving democracy, but by year's end Biden's approval ratings will be as bad as Trump's or worse. They'll pass an inadequate climate bill, a healthcare bill that just adds more subsidies to Obamacare and maybe expands Medicaid, but no more major legislation. The Dem Congressional delegation will be dysfunctional such that they won't even successfully pass governmental upkeep and housekeeping stuff like refunding IRS and re-staffing federal agencies etc. As the mood sours, the media will crank up the screaming at red rose twitter to record levels and ignore the far right which will continue to grow. Can't say if Dems will lose in 2022 or 24 but it seems ominously likely What is the basis for this? I don't see any reason to assume a dysfunctional dem congress- the situation where nothing gets passed is if the Republicans keep the senate. Even the last few lovely blue dogs were making the right noises about defending USPS, I don't think any of the pedestrian stuff like that is going to be a meaningful hurdle and if the wave is as strong as it looks there might be 52 or so Dems in the senate, which gives enough hall passes that virtually anything popular can get to 50. The only real concern would be if they keep the filibuster for some reason, but given that the current senate is going to push for ACB instead of doing any actual legislation to deal with corona I think decorum-lovers are going to be fed up with this poo poo too Phenotype posted:This is the first time I've really thought about the work visas, but isn't it anti-labor and pro-capitalist regardless, whether it's for software engineers or farmworkers? Artificially increasing the worker pool to drive wages down and make people desperate to take what they can get, with the side benefit of I guess some poor foreign workers can come to America to be poor here instead? The reason this doesn't hold water is because companies can be multiple places at once but people can't be. If you refuse to allow immigration to fill roles, at some point companies just set up a second office somewhere with lower wages. Trying to make sure that your limited pool of people have the highest wages possible without considering other nations eventually leads to lower global wages and higher national unemployment. The only way to improve lives for workers is to improve lives for ALL workers. If we make immigration to the US easy enough, it starts to exert pressure on other countries to improve their standards of living, workplace safety, etc to try to match or exceed ours. If we make immigration difficult, we reinforce global class immobility. It would be better if we also raised our minimum wage and so on, but the existence of a tech work visa in the US could be considered an ancillary cause of the growing middle class in India and other places where outsourced jobs landed. While the initial outsourced jobs paid much less, the existence of the US work visa as an alternative for those who picked up the skills gave the top talent a bargaining position. Had the threat of relocation to the US not existed, the may not have had a real bargaining position. (Note: I am not an expert and would be glad to be corrected by one, but this is the general trend that seems to have emerged in the last several years based on what I have picked up from anecdotes and cursory reading). BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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There Bias Two posted:Looks like he popped a blood vessel. It's covid.
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Doctor Butts posted:Have you tried offering them at least market value for their skills? Training is not a thing anymore.
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Phenotype posted:Also, why is it so controversial to say that a country is supposed to look out for its own citizens first? I'm not trying to do a slippery slope thing here, but shouldn't maintaining a decent quality of life for American workers take precedence over allowing more immigration? The problem is that's a false dichotomy. We can do both. We can ensure a high standard of living for everyone within our borders, whether they were born here or not. Allowing immigration doesn't inherently make things worse for American citizens, and presenting it as such is what makes it controversial.
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Phenotype posted:This is the first time I've really thought about the work visas, but isn't it anti-labor and pro-capitalist regardless, whether it's for software engineers or farmworkers? Artificially increasing the worker pool to drive wages down and make people desperate to take what they can get, with the side benefit of I guess some poor foreign workers can come to America to be poor here instead? I think one important distinction I'm not sure anyone has mentioned was that the salary floor to qualify for an H1B visas prior to Trump was 60,000 USD per year. Less than an average software or IT salary? Probably. Was it some desperate pittance of a salary? No. The real issue of abuse I would say was the fact that the visa was tied to your employer and not easy to switch to a new one. Better not complain or you'll be fired and deported! The farm worker one is an entirely different beast though. e: Looks like it was mentioned but I still stand by my point. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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JT Jag posted:Biden will never be less popular than Trump, one of the big reasons moderates hate him so much is that he's just loving annoying and won't go away Yeah but at a certain point the combination of escalating global crises will get bad enough that even bubble-ensconced suburban moderates won't be feeling good anymore. They have no positive attachment to Biden, they just dislike him less than Trump. Active disapproval of Biden won't be as high as Trump, but active support for him will probably be even lower, certainly lower than Obama, and Obama was at 40% overall approval for much of his term. The right wing media machine is not going to go away and will be full crank against the Dems from November 4 BougieBitch posted:What is the basis for this? I don't see any reason to assume a dysfunctional dem congress- the situation where nothing gets passed is if the Republicans keep the senate. Even the last few lovely blue dogs were making the right noises about defending USPS, I don't think any of the pedestrian stuff like that is going to be a meaningful hurdle and if the wave is as strong as it looks there might be 52 or so Dems in the senate, which gives enough hall passes that virtually anything popular can get to 50. The only real concern would be if they keep the filibuster for some reason, but given that the current senate is going to push for ACB instead of doing any actual legislation to deal with corona I think decorum-lovers are going to be fed up with this poo poo too You've got way more faith in the median Democratic Senator or Congressperson than I do. I also think the housekeeping stuff is harder than it sounds, which is partly why it wasn't really done under Obama when Dems controlled things for those 2 years. They could end up being more competent, but they've shown no real reason to think that yet. Chuck and Nancy are still going to be in charge of things
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Well the twist on that was that the 60-70k directly replaced professionals who made 110k in high cost of living eras like Southern California. Not only were you bonded labour, but you also we used to tremendously under cut wages because you’d live in a bunkhouse.
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freeasinbeer posted:Well the twist on that was that the 60-70k directly replaced professionals who made 110k in high cost of living eras like Southern California. Not only were you bonded labour, but you also we used to tremendously under cut wages because you’d live in a bunkhouse. basically H1-B is a hot issue because it is a type of immigration that impacts the job market for urban professionals, and as such when the subject comes up some otherwise very nice liberal people suddenly find themselves to the right of Attila the Hun
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icantfindaname posted:So what do people think the Biden administration is going to be like? I predict there's a honeymoon period over Summer 2021 where the media congratulates itself for saving democracy, but by year's end Biden's approval ratings will be as bad as Trump's or worse. They'll pass an inadequate climate bill, a healthcare bill that just adds more subsidies to Obamacare and maybe expands Medicaid, but no more major legislation. The Dem Congressional delegation will be dysfunctional such that they won't even successfully pass governmental upkeep and housekeeping stuff like refunding IRS and re-staffing federal agencies etc. As the mood sours, the media will crank up the screaming at red rose twitter to record levels and ignore the far right which will continue to grow. Can't say if Dems will lose in 2022 or 24 but it seems ominously likely It depends on the Senate. I don't think the house will suddenly fall into disarray, and there's plenty of major things the democrats are united on doing, like major changes to voter rights and redistricting, the public option that Lieberman blocked, serious spending of the environmental infrastructure and stimulus kind, adding more courts, DC statehood, 15 dollar minimum wage, as well as things like anti-corruption stuff to address things that we all thought was actually illegal but turns out it wasn't. If, though, the Senate maintains the filibuster as it is now, nothing will get done because the republicans already have a playbook to stop it; threaten to filibuster everything. They can't be negotiated with in good faith, either, its now super obvious that they don't actually have any positions other than "gently caress you" and "we get to do what we want." There is a possibility of an incredible punchline to all this, a Biden administration marked by historic reform and progress. Biden's platform isn't nearly as ambitious as Bernie's, but there's serious moves that the campaign says they want to make and a congress that is absolutely ready to pass some laws. But if the Senate is allowed to be a gigantic barrier to anything getting done again, I think poo poo's going down in flames. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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freeasinbeer posted:Well the twist on that was that the 60-70k directly replaced professionals who made 110k in high cost of living eras like Southern California. Not only were you bonded labour, but you also we used to tremendously under cut wages because you’d live in a bunkhouse. Oh no. I guess they’ll have to settle for working with any other tech company for 95% of that salary.
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Slowpoke! posted:Mike Pence got a little wet when he thought Kamala Harris was taking the bait on the court packing question Mike Pence only gets wet for Jesus Also Seabiscuit
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TulliusCicero posted:I take it Cotton Hill is utterly melting down like Chernobyl based in the law of "anything Trump says is a lie" I watched for like five minutes and turned it because they both suck so loving much, so it'll be a wash as both sides say 'actually our sputtering idiot was cool, it was yours that was bad'.
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