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Dawgstar posted:It's interesting to compare Tony B showing up to Ralphie who also pops up out of nowhere, both with excuses for not being around, but Ralphie feels a lot more like part of the world. Ralph isn't Tony's old buddy where they go way back and have an implied very personal history that we're supposed to care very deeply about. He's just some rear end in a top hat wiseguy that was "down in Florida" for a while and came back.
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BiggerBoat posted:Ralph isn't Tony's old buddy where they go way back and have an implied very personal history that we're supposed to care very deeply about. He's just some rear end in a top hat wiseguy that was "down in Florida" for a while and came back. Well they do have an implied history. He was in Tony and Jackie’s little junior crew.
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Dawgstar posted:Well they do have an implied history. He was in Tony and Jackie’s little junior crew. He missed the big score with them because of the Clap
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veni veni veni posted:Ralph and Tony B are the big ones, but I’m pretty sure Vito, Bobby, the guy who died on the toilet and twins just kind of show up out of nowhere in between seasons too. And once they showed up it was just like they’d been there all along. Doing a rewatch now, Vito was in scenes in season 2 before he started to become important, Bobby was around from season 2 before becoming important, and Gigi was the guy who clipped Philly Parisi and turned up a bunch in season 2 before he became capo in season 3, so I don't think any of them showed up out of nowhere. EDIT Patsy did kinda come out nowhere though. 'Hey, that random guy who got shot? Turns out he has a twin, 'cause David Chase liked the actor!' Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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veni veni veni posted:Ralph and Tony B are the big ones, but I’m pretty sure Vito, Bobby, the guy who died on the toilet and twins just kind of show up out of nowhere in between seasons too. And once they showed up it was just like they’d been there all along. And you used to sell laser printers out of the back of your crown vic...
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Barry Foster posted:Doing a rewatch now, Vito was in scenes in season 2 before he started to become important, Bobby was around from season 2 before becoming important, and Gigi was the guy who clipped Philly Parisi and turned up a bunch in season 2 before he became capo in season 3, so I don't think any of them showed up out of nowhere. I didn't mean they became big characters out of nowhere. I meant their characters literally came out of nowhere. Like, they would frequently just add guys to the crew without even acknowledging why they are there all of a sudden. I've never really considered it a ding against the show, because they could have just quietly moved up the ranks in the background or something. But binge watching it again, it was super weird just seeing new characters pop up with no introduction, and the show treats them like they have been there all along.
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Also, one of the best scenes that I totally forgot about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a02tQoGjEY
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Oct 7, 2020 10:31
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veni veni veni posted:I didn't mean they became big characters out of nowhere. I meant their characters literally came out of nowhere. Like, they would frequently just add guys to the crew without even acknowledging why they are there all of a sudden. Yeah, I get ya, I'm kinda noticing that too. But to me anyway it contributes to how 'real' the show's world feels, loads of characters who are just faces until they become particularly relevant to the main characters. It's a big family. Not to mention all the people who we never get to see at all - like, the Barese crew is meant to be the largest in the family (IIRC), but we see, what, three members? And two of them are the Barese boys.
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Wasn't Vito in season 1 in the bakery where Chris shoots the kid in the foot?
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Matt Zerella posted:Wasn't Vito in season 1 in the bakery where Chris shoots the kid in the foot? Same actor but different character, yeah, I noticed that on my rewatch. The clerk refers to him by name, and I forget what it is, but it isn't vito.
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It’s pretty easy Ralphie has a history with Tony but Tony didn’t care all that much about him. So Ralphie has a history but is only important because if his own drive
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Tony B got arrested before he became a made man. It seems like Ralph is a made guy.
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https://twitter.com/JamesUrbaniak/status/1313908953105887232 ...huh. Also Rusty Venture clearly has good taste in movies and TV.
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I've been meaning to work that gesture into every day life, followed by violently tossing chairs at the ceiling while shouting slurs
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CharlestheHammer posted:It’s pretty easy Ralphie has a history with Tony but Tony didn’t care all that much about him. Yeah, I believe Ralphie when he says he ran with Jackie Aprile, Tony and Silvio and I believe that HE believes that if he hadn't had the clap he'd have been in on the poker game score and ended up rising up the ranks as a result. But I also believe that he really overestimates or overblows his status within that crew.
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Stupida fuckin debate
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah, I believe Ralphie when he says he ran with Jackie Aprile, Tony and Silvio and I believe that HE believes that if he hadn't had the clap he'd have been in on the poker game score and ended up rising up the ranks as a result. But I also believe that he really overestimates or overblows his status within that crew. Do you think he had the clap at all? I always thought Ralph was lying with that story. I think he chickened out (or just wasn't asked by Tony/Jackie to tag along). Maybe he even told Tony/Jackie that he couldn't join them due to the clap but it was really his way of saving face because he was worried about the consequences of robbing a game like that. I dunno. I just feel like there's more to that story than what Ralph told Jackie JR. It comes off to me as a story he invented to save face over him being absent from such a pivotal event in the rise of Tony and Jackie.
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Ginette Reno posted:Do you think he had the clap at all? I always thought Ralph was lying with that story. I think he chickened out (or just wasn't asked by Tony/Jackie to tag along). Maybe he even told Tony/Jackie that he couldn't join them due to the clap but it was really his way of saving face because he was worried about the consequences of robbing a game like that. It's certainly an interesting idea. There's also the notion he wasn't even invited at all.
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Dawgstar posted:It's certainly an interesting idea. There's also the notion he wasn't even invited at all. That's how I always read the scene. He was trying to explain to his girlfriend's son why he wasn't as "big" as his boss, so made up a story about how he was thiiiiiis close to being just as important.
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It's completely plausible yeah, we see time and time again how smoothly these guys lie to save face. Like the scene where Christopher casually tells JT that he "got out of" show business because Jon Favreau stole his ideas.
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Dawgstar posted:Well they do have an implied history. He was in Tony and Jackie’s little junior crew. Right but I mean Ralph showing up "out of nowhere" isn't such a hard sell since he's just another wise guy who was out of town in Miami doing Miami Wise Guy poo poo and we're never led to believe Tony or anyone else was especially close to him, liked him or ever thought about him. Plus his history is gradually woven in as his personality. Blundetto is revealed on TV being released and we're expected to immediately digest "Ohhhh...no poo poo....my fuckin long lost cousin with the same name as me or whom I have so much surrounding guilt and love that explains my mental problems!" He's never come up in therapy, talks with my Ma, conversations with Uncle June or alluded to before in any way but don't worry, we'll reveal all that in future episodes because casting Buscemi on the show is an ace. Random gangsters coming and going I can buy since guys move around all the time and we're never meant to be all that emotionally invested in them. Robert Loggia and Joey Pants are fine along these lines. Buscemi's appearance and, to a lesser extent, Julianna Margulies' were brushing real close up to the line of stunt casting. At least for me. It's like trying to imagine Ice Cube or Larry Fishburne suddenly showing up in The Wire out of nowhere, written with deep emotional and historic ties to Stringer or Avon, and then having to buy into all the gravitas that goes with that sort of thing. Or having one of them be Lester or Bunk's long lost partner on the force with some sort of never before explained backstory about corruption and cover ups that Really Weigh on the Story popping up at the beginning of season 4. Fortunately, the acting and writing on the Sopranos was so good that it was enough to overcome all that, and "the new cast members" I mentioned both gave really great performances and were fun to watch, so it never took me out of the show but Buscemi's reveal was still the only time I remember saying to myself "really"? with this show. The closeness and deep emotional bond with the Two Tonys just wasn't earned even if it wasn't enough to ruin the plot.
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https://twitter.com/racheldenav/status/1313882522783227906?s=21
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Solice Kirsk posted:That's how I always read the scene. He was trying to explain to his girlfriend's son why he wasn't as "big" as his boss, so made up a story about how he was thiiiiiis close to being just as important. Yeah same here, especially because his reason for bailing still makes him seem kinda cool (too much sex!).
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/JamesUrbaniak/status/1313908953105887232 Sonny had five fingers, but he only used three. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DecOs2UoI
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Tony picked up AJ's copy of People's History and it really changed his life
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BiggerBoat posted:Stupida fuckin debate lol
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Give me $1200
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BiggerBoat posted:The closeness and deep emotional bond with the Two Tonys just wasn't earned even if it wasn't enough to ruin the plot. Yeah, I can see that. ruddiger posted:Sonny had five fingers, but he only used three. How is A Bronx Tale? Possibly embarrassingly, I've never actually seen it despite it having a lot of the cast in it.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I can see that. Deniro directed it and while he’s totally channeling Scorsese, it’s still really good, has a lot of strong performances, and is still socially relevant with its themes. Chaz Palminteri is fantastic in it. The score is a classic too. There’s an amazing acapella song in there. Nothing embarrassing about not having watched it, I’m kinda jealous you get to see it for the first time. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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DO NOT open your snapper DVD case for A Bronx Tale and read the chapter titles because they contain a big spoiler.
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Ain't it funny you got unending troves of talentless gently caress faces on YouTube talking about nothing in pristine quality and Hollywood guys from the greatest show ever working with a Toshiba laptop from 2012
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