That was one of the moments that stuck in my mind. That pure, unadulterated, impotent rage that left Marco feeling burnt out. These books are far, far better than a lot I've read.
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Erek changing schools is (mild spoiler since we've already seen what happened when he got hit by the bus) something he'd have to do regularly so people didn't twig to him not ageing, right? Or actually, as I write that, that doesn't make sense at all, since he's in total control of his hologram's appearance.
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 09:31 |
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Epicurius posted:Perfectly normal....hit by a bus. Turned into a weird steel/plastic thing. I just realized I basically wrote this character and sequence/plot reveal in another project of mine a few years back. I didn't even remember this book and barely remembered Erek's character
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 10:32 |
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freebooter posted:Erek changing schools is (mild spoiler since we've already seen what happened when he got hit by the bus) something he'd have to do regularly so people didn't twig to him not ageing, right? Or actually, as I write that, that doesn't make sense at all, since he's in total control of his hologram's appearance. Don't they play out a life under a hologram, childhood to old age then they 'die' and start over? It's been a long time since I read this one. I love how the Marco and Tobias snarkfests continue, completely missed that first readthrough, but they play off each other in such a fun, belligerent way.
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 11:48 |
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Homora Gaykemi posted:i can't tell you where i'm from, and i say kill 'em all! Popping foward in time from many days of thread catchup to say this is the perfect thread title forever
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 17:21 |
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quote:We’d called a meeting, and now everyone except Ax was in Cassie’s barn. Has anyone else noticed this editing error? In every book we get an introduction to Cassie’s barn but sometimes it’s called the Wildlife Rehabilitation Center (Book3, MM, and here in Book 10) and sometimes it called the Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic (books 1,2,4,5,6,7 and 9, I couldn’t find it mentioned by Ax in book 8 though). Glad you’re feeling better Epicurius, it’s good having this thread moving again! I loved this series as a kid and still have my original full set of books. It’s fun revisiting them!
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:54 |
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King of Foolians posted:Has anyone else noticed this editing error? In every book we get an introduction to Cassie’s barn but sometimes it’s called the Wildlife Rehabilitation Center (Book3, MM, and here in Book 10) and sometimes it called the Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic (books 1,2,4,5,6,7 and 9, I couldn’t find it mentioned by Ax in book 8 though). Thanks. I'm really glad I can be doing this, and that we can talk about Cassie's Wildlfire Rehibilitation Clinic/Center
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:13 |
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King of Foolians posted:Has anyone else noticed this editing error? Yeah, it should correctly be spelt "centre"
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 01:05 |
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The Alien-Chapter 8quote:I hooked up with Jake and the two of us rode our bikes to Cassie’s farm. He didn’t say anything about my conversation with Tom. Jake knew how I felt. We’ve all felt it before. Semi-human chest,,,adds more depth to the "Where are Andalite arms?" debate. quote:But not nearly as unsettling as his tail. The tail makes you think scorpion. It curves up and over, so that the razor-sharp blade-tip is usually poised somewhere above his sloping shoulders. Another haircut insult. That poor cover model. "The book you modeled for is here!" <Kid leafs through the book, then, sobbing> "It's all making fun of my hair cut. The entire book." quote:“That does it!” I yelled, as the others all broke up giggling. “It’ll grow out, all right? It’ll grow out. Besides, it’s easier to take care of. Man! I make one little change!” Probably something that sees further in the ultraviolet or infared spectrum than people? The problem is, the only animal I can think of off the top of my head that sees ultraviolet light is bees, which is an insect. Some snakes, like Ax's rattlesnake, can sense heat. Chapter 9 quote:I guess it was too much to ask, as I found out a couple days later. Poor Marco with his arachnophobia. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Hey kudos to the Animorphs actually planning to have a team hang back in case trouble erupts; it seems like the kids are learning. Hopefully Marco tests out this morph rather than doing it for the first time at the Sharing meeting.
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 03:29 |
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on the one hand, Cassie's already acquired and tested the morph and/or Rachel's volunteered and Marco is clearly very reluctant. on the other hand, it's a Marco book, nothing we can do
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 03:55 |
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Epicurius posted:The Alien-Chapter 8 Marco is bi confirmed (I am a child)
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 04:06 |
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Marco is bi confirmed (I am a child) Sadly for Marco, Jake has eyes only for Cassie and military hardware
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 04:42 |
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I love that "It made sense mathematically" bit.
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 06:04 |
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The Android-Chapter 9quote:The lake is in the mountains. It’s a long way from where any of us live. And if we’d had to walk it would have taken several days. Fortunately, we didn’t have to walk. That's kind of disconcerting. quote:Jake and I thought about this for a while. About a spaceship “disintegrating” some big wad of our mass. It was not a pretty picture. So long as it's a GOOD reason. Chapter 10 quote:There were probably two hundred people around the lake below us - boys, girls, older people. Some were swimming. Some were waterskiing. Some were grilling burgers and hot dogs over charcoal fires. A lot were just milling around and talking and laughing. Hooray for body horror!
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 04:00 |
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Epicurius posted:The Android-Chapter 9 Referencing TWA really dates the series. I didn't realize it didn't go out of business until 2001
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 08:01 |
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Okay, so their mass goes to z-space when they morph, but where does their mass come from when they turn into a big animal
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 16:49 |
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Terror Sweat posted:Okay, so their mass goes to z-space when they morph, but where does their mass come from when they turn into a big animal Negative Z-space?
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 17:08 |
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They borrow the mass from someone else who's morphing a small animal at the same time. Take a penny, leave a penny.
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 17:16 |
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This book, btw is cursed. As soon as I started it, I wound up in the hospital for 2 weeks, and today, there was a bad storm that knocked out my power and internet and left me with intermittent phone internet access. So I'm posting this to let you know updates will be postponed until tomorrow, assuming I can even get this to post. Sorry about all this. I really like this book and I want to show you all why. Fate, however, is not cooperating.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 03:25 |
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Epicurius posted:This book, btw is cursed. As soon as I started it, I wound up in the hospital for 2 weeks, and today, there was a bad storm that knocked out my power and internet and left me with intermittent phone internet access. So I'm posting this to let you know updates will be postponed until tomorrow, assuming I can even get this to post. Yeerk needing to go visit the pool confirmed. Nice try
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 04:28 |
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Yeerk needing to go visit the pool confirmed. Nice try I can't tell you my real name or where I'm from. It isn't that I don't want to, but if I did, my life would be in danger. Earth is under attack by aliens. And they could be anywhere or anything. They call themselves Andalites, and they have special powers that let them transform into any animal. It's up to me, my friends, and our commander Visser 3 to stop them so that we can bring peace back to Earth, and finish integrating it into the Yeerk empire.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 20:47 |
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I'm back from the Kandrona p....I mean, my power and internet is back, so without further review, Book 10: The Android-Chapter 11 quote:Hunger. So do you think this was just sublimated anger for Marco? I wonder how much of it is the fact that humans are omnivores who hunt, and Andalites are naturally herbivores, in fact, so far, of the intelligent species we've seen, only humans and Taxxons eat meat. quote:<I think it’s this way,> Ax said. He took the lead and I saw him moving in front of me, a spider scurrying effortlessly on his eight legs. So that could be a problem.
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 01:45 |
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Marco knows a surprising amount about spider evolution for an arachnophobe. Also, that poor crow
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 03:02 |
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Classic X-Com moment where one of your poor dudes falls through the ceiling and comes face to face with ENEMY UNKNOWN.
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 04:39 |
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I always disliked the description of Erek here. It's too specific, but not specific enough. It's clear they had a very, VERY solid image in their head, but instead of describing it in the way that matters, they focus on the hyper details. Bits like,quote:Each of the individual links was roughly triangular in shape. The “ivory” segments were a little larger than the segments that looked like steel. That's a meaningless detail to someone trying to imagine it, because I don't know where the ivory segments ARE. I don't know WHERE the links are. Which part is... lamellar? Is it the stomach? Is it like, lamellar steel for the flexible bits, and ivory bone for the nonflexible? The blade ship description is great. A medieval battle axe, all black, with a spear-head for a front at the handle's edge. But the description of Erek always left a confused cloud in my head. Something that's really sending me is, how rereading this for the first time in like, 20 years? The mental images are, I'm positive, almost the exact same ones I saw 20 years ago. I remember imagining Cassie's barn looking the same when I was a kid as I imagine it now. I read these books so often, very clear images got into my head of what things looked like. Specifically I remember before the first Andalite art, I pictured them way more literally, with brown deer bodies, and segmented scorpion tails. But Erek and the other andriods to my mind's eye were always a super confused blur of white brought on by overly specific but non-evocative description. It actually taught me that it's ok if the reader of something you write doesn't imagine it exactly as you do--what's more important is you give them the tools to create the image in their mind, rather than try and describe it too exactly and failing. Of course now I have the benefit of the internet so I can just imagine them as robot dog furries, so like, yeah I've seen enough of the internet to have a mental image these days lol
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FlocksOfMice posted:But the description of Erek always left a confused cloud in my head. I get the impression he probably looks like he's made of scale armor in triangular segments of steel and ivory, overlapping and individually able to move and shift.
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 14:10 |
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Book 10: The Android-Chapter 13quote:“Marco?” Erek said. “Didn’t you used to have longer hair?” Hair joke. quote:The hair thing again. Anyway, to my human eyes Erek looked completely, one hundred percent human. I knew it wasn’t true, but even so, it was almost impossible not to believe the holographic projection that surrounded the android. I enjoy that line. quote:I heard the sound of people rushing through bushes. So there we go. A new, potential ally. Chapter 14 quote:My dad made chicken for dinner that night. I’d spent the afternoon with my friends, debating the mess with Erek. We’d gone round and round, but in the end we knew we would show up for the meeting. We had no choice, really. This may be a good point, but I still wouldn't turn down a dinner of BBQ chicken, skin-on mashed potatoes and corn on the cob. quote:“How is it?” my dad asked. So, humanity will not have sudden Z-space transportation and communication. Sad. quote:My friend “No” was really Ax. There was a long story behind all that. You could probably ask our friendly neighborhood Andalite about it, but it wasn’t a story I could tell my father. I think there's something really tragic about that....that the best, most harmonious time in their relationship was when Marco's mom wasn't Marco's mom anymore, and it was because Visser 1 didn't love Marco's dad....it just didn't want anything to get in the way of its plans. I guess it's easier to get along with someone when you don't care about them. quote:“Anyway, one day I woke up in the middle of the night. Your mom was sitting up in bed, wide awake. I knew she’d had a bad dream or something. But it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It was just…” He shook his head. “It was so strange. She sounded like she was trapped in a deep We've seen the amount of effort it takes for a human host to act independently of their Yeerk. Jake couldn't do it at all. Tom could barely shake his head. The Chapmans, to save their daughter, rebelled and were exhausted by the effort. And here's Marco's mom, not just rebelling, but getting words out. The amount of mental energy and will that must have taken, and her drive to save her husband must have been enormous.
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 01:15 |
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Epicurius posted:We've seen the amount of effort it takes for a human host to act independently of their Yeerk. Jake couldn't do it at all. Tom could barely shake his head. The Chapmans, to save their daughter, rebelled and were exhausted by the effort. And here's Marco's mom, not just rebelling, but getting words out. The amount of mental energy and will that must have taken, and her drive to save her husband must have been enormous.
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 17:08 |
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There been any graphic novel talk yet? It's a pretty damned good adaptation. Very cartoony art style, which contrasts in an interesting way with the dark subject matter. It's great to see my childhood obsession rendered so vividly.
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That poor crow.
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 22:03 |
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Erwin the German posted:There been any graphic novel talk yet? It's a pretty damned good adaptation. Very cartoony art style, which contrasts in an interesting way with the dark subject matter. It's great to see my childhood obsession rendered so vividly. Haven't seen it, but it sounds like I'll have to get it.
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 22:10 |
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Epicurius posted:Haven't seen it, but it sounds like I'll have to get it. I recommend it!
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Book 10: The Android-Chapter 15quote:We had decided to meet with Erek at his house. We had not decided to trust him completely. In hindsight, this is honestly the best clue about Marco's canon bisexuality. Just as an observation, the only people who call Ax's human form pretty are Rachel, Cassie, and Marco. quote:Plus, he’s annoying in human morph. Erik has a gift for understatement. Chapter 16 quote:“We are the Chee,” Erek said. Sort of blow to Andalite pride there. quote:“And of course, humans were just hairy apes when the Pemalites first visited Earth. The Pemalites were not interested in conquest, or in interfering in the lives of other planets. They enjoyed life.” Erek smiled. “They loved to play. They loved games and jokes and laughter. And they had been Honestly, I find this the sweetest thing. The Pemalites didn't create the Chee as slaves or workers. They created them because they wanted other people to play with, to be friends with, and to share with. They created the Chee just for the joy of creating and having them. quote:Then … ZZZZZZZAAAAAAAARRRRPPPP! So, in the second post in the thread, I've started a new list, a list of genocides. The Pemalites are the first species genocided. Will they be the last in the series? They will not About Erek King....he is a real person (presumably not an android, but I don't know for sure). Scholastic had an essay contest, asking, if you could morph an animal, what would you morph?", with the winner being written into the books. He won and his winning entry is below... quote:The black figure emerged from the dark. It lurched forward, in my exact direction, slowly approaching me with reason; reason to destroy me. It was morph now or die. So his name got used as a character.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 01:43 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:I'm really interested to read what other queer folks (or just anyone) think about this as well, but to me it is nowhere near as egregious as JKR's stuff. Necro'ing this comment, but as a young gay reader I always detected some weird, domestic-y vibes in Ax and Marco's interactions, especially when they're hanging at the former's makeshift scoop. Plus he's always cracking wise about stupid, sexy Ax, so you're not alone. Personally, I think the author's post facto comment kinda reeks of JKR, and I prefer text to subtext. If the series were to be rebooted I guess this would probably be something they'd explore, but as it stands, good luck getting that kind of content in a 90s YA series.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 02:17 |
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I mean, I prefer text to subtext too, but like you said, 90s YA series. And sure, like JKR, the author's comments are post facto, but I think there's a lot more in the series (admittedly, subtextually) that suggests that Marco is bi than that Dumbledore is gay. For what it's worth, the tv show, admittedly done without Applegate and Grant's contribution, ends the series with Marco and Ax slow dancing together Obviously, that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I think a bi reading of Marco makes more sense based on the text than a gay reading of Dumbledore.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 02:30 |
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Agreed, I suppose. It's been a long time since I read the series, so I could be totally forgetting some things that already would have flown over my 10 year old head. In addition to the graphic novel, there's also a movie planned, I think? Hopefully that gives us a fresh and more multifaceted reading on all this material.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 03:08 |
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I have to admit, the movie makes me a little nervous, just because of the size of the story. So, do you just do the movie based on the first book, ending with Tobias as a hawk, and everyone barely able to escape with their lives? That's kind of a downer (and pretty much cries out for a sequel), Or do you find a way to force some sort of happy ending?
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 03:14 |
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Honestly the premise isn't that complicated that, if you take out all the extra alien factions like the Chee here and the Ellimist and all that, you could probably get away with doing an in media res version of the story without it being very disorienting. But modern media is super into origin stories and starting things over and over again than it is coming up with satisfying conclusions so lol.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 03:35 |
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A movie could cover up to the first Rachel book where they destroy the kandrona machine if they want a happy ending. Would probably be unsatisfying without sequels.
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# ? Oct 11, 2020 04:05 |