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Sab669 posted:Have any of you goons gotten a notification from EVGA to buy a 3080? Per the forum post they said they'd have inventory back in stock this week but I haven't gotten an email and now it's the end of the business week Per the forum post, they're now using a queue-based system for purchasing. When you click on the 'notify me' button for a GPU, they put your email address in the queue. They will then send emails only to the people in the top of the queue for the number of cards available. Those people have eight hours to make a purchase. If those people don't buy cards, then emails get sent to the next people in queue. You haven't received an email because they likely haven't reached your spot in the queue yet. Given the current stock limitation, I wouldn't expect to see an email for weeks, if not months, unless you were very quick at signing up for a notification. Also, I will likely be upgrading to a 5900x, and selling my 3900x once I have the new CPU. If anyone is looking to build a couple months or so from now, and is interested in a barely-used 5900x at a discount, drop me a PM and we can work something out. If not, I'll probably toss it up on SA-Mart.
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sean10mm posted:I'm kind of unsure how much Zen 3 moves the needle in our generic recommendations We don't have benchmarks or any idea about the continued availability of Zen2 yet. I'm guessing that the performance increase won't be worth the price increase since the absolute performance of Zen2 is still good, but if Zen2 stock dries up it'll be time to reevaluate.
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sean10mm posted:I'm kind of unsure how much Zen 3 moves the needle in our generic recommendations anytime soon since everything's in a higher price bracket. Yeah my feeling is that if I get a CPU that's at least as good as the next consoles it will last me for a very long time, but if I don't it's more likely to need an upgrade soon. AMD give me UK pricing and independent benchmarks you cowards
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So I was waiting for the Zen3 news before deciding what I wanted to do for my new PC this Oct/Nov and I'm wondering about the PCIe4 support. I've generally after Athlon 64 stuck with Intel but the Ryzens seem to be great now but I still kinda out of habit stick with Intel. I have been put off by the current state of Intel and wondered how much the lack of PCIe4 in gen 10 matters? I mean with the new consoles using those super fast SSDs etc if I was building a PC now for the next 5 years basing it on PCIe3 seems like a potential mistake? Is it likely the next gen of GPUs in a couple of years will benefit a lot more from PCIe4? As it stands I'm thinking of pulling everything together and building what I have for a Ryzen machine and just waiting to drop the Ryzen CPU in - or I could grab a gen 10 mobo and CPU now?
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Blackfyre posted:So I was waiting for the Zen3 news before deciding what I wanted to do for my new PC this Oct/Nov and I'm wondering about the PCIe4 support. I've generally after Athlon 64 stuck with Intel but the Ryzens seem to be great now but I still kinda out of habit stick with Intel. I have been put off by the current state of Intel and wondered how much the lack of PCIe4 in gen 10 matters? I mean with the new consoles using those super fast SSDs etc if I was building a PC now for the next 5 years basing it on PCIe3 seems like a potential mistake? Is it likely the next gen of GPUs in a couple of years will benefit a lot more from PCIe4? As it stands I'm thinking of pulling everything together and building what I have for a Ryzen machine and just waiting to drop the Ryzen CPU in - or I could grab a gen 10 mobo and CPU now? My gut says unlikely PCIe 4 will matter much for graphics cards over said time period, but Intel doesn't really have any advantages here. Zen3 may well outperform it, Zen2 is markedly cheaper, both have PCIe4 on the off chance it does matter. I don't recommend buying less than a complete system ahead of time, if you have a DOA part dealing with returns is always simple, dealing with warranty service isn't so assured.
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I'm not in the market for a CPU but the announcement had me thinking that these seem a bit overpriced. Also where is the 5700x on release date? I feel that was the "best buy" for a higher end PC last generation. The Big Navi tease seemed disappointing if that was their high end card.
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Blackfyre posted:So I was waiting for the Zen3 news before deciding what I wanted to do for my new PC this Oct/Nov and I'm wondering about the PCIe4 support. I've generally after Athlon 64 stuck with Intel but the Ryzens seem to be great now but I still kinda out of habit stick with Intel. I have been put off by the current state of Intel and wondered how much the lack of PCIe4 in gen 10 matters? I mean with the new consoles using those super fast SSDs etc if I was building a PC now for the next 5 years basing it on PCIe3 seems like a potential mistake? Is it likely the next gen of GPUs in a couple of years will benefit a lot more from PCIe4? As it stands I'm thinking of pulling everything together and building what I have for a Ryzen machine and just waiting to drop the Ryzen CPU in - or I could grab a gen 10 mobo and CPU now? 10th gen intel is just dumb IMO. A 10700k is almost $100 more than a 3700X now so you can get 5 fps more in games at 1440p while being worse in every other way. Thom P. Tiers posted:I'm not in the market for a CPU but the announcement had me thinking that these seem a bit overpriced. Also where is the 5700x on release date? I feel that was the "best buy" for a higher end PC last generation. Basically AMD is claiming Zen 3 is absolutely the best at everything at any given core count, and they're charging accordingly. Zen 3 isn't a value proposition now, it's the "I want the best thing and will pay more" proposition. If your budget is $200-300 most people should probably just buy a 3600 or 3700X still. AMD's "problem" is that those are still a good value. Big Navi is probably still a loser vs. the RTX 30 series unless they're priced very aggressively. Nobody trusts them to have decent drivers and they probably have nothing on par with DLSS 2.0.
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate it! I was tempted to go to a PC building site this time due to time constraints with work but mindful of 3080 availability. Was tempted to order a 3900X system to get in their preorder queue and set the shipping date in mid Nov as before its sent I can ask them to upgrade the CPU so as its just a CPU change I was thinking of paying the difference. They advise to wait until all the parts you want are available which is understandable and would be what I usually do if it wasnt for the 3080 issues.
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How would this be for gaming at 1440p/120? I was looking at teaming it with a LG 65" CX PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£179.00 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£97.44 @ Amazon UK) Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£68.39 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£0) Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£793.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk) Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case (£64.95 @ AWD-IT) Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£0) The 3080 is just a placeholder for now - I picked the longest one to see if it would have problems with the case. Am I right in thinking the mboard is the new default recommendation a la the B450 Tomahawk Max, and what would be a suitable cpu cooler?
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Spikes32 posted:What country are you in? USA I'm pretty sure the 3070 for 1080p @ 60hz is significant overkill. Obviously there's nothing wrong with that, it gives you overhead to get a 1440 or a higher refresh rate monitor down the road, but it's something to know.
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sean10mm posted:Basically AMD is claiming Zen 3 is absolutely the best at everything at any given core count, and they're charging accordingly. Zen 3 isn't a value proposition now, it's the "I want the best thing and will pay more" proposition. These were pretty much my exact thoughts too. Just surprised AMD went for the money on these. I feel like a $20 bump across the board instead of $50 would have absolutely wrecked intel. But, as you said, the 3xxx line is still so good.
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OK so with that system it's worth getting a new monitor when a good deal comes out, that's great to know.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:These were pretty much my exact thoughts too. Just surprised AMD went for the money on these. I feel like a $20 bump across the board instead of $50 would have absolutely wrecked intel. But, as you said, the 3xxx line is still so good. Intel is like straight dogshit tier right now, and rumor is it’s so bad their next generation is going to be just as bad. It’s bad enough that it made Apple go and start designing their own CPUs. This is quiet literally the best time for them to take the extra money, as most people with brains will pick AMD at the higher price, just like in the past most people with brains picked intel at the higher price when AMD was lovely.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:These were pretty much my exact thoughts too. Just surprised AMD went for the money on these. I feel like a $20 bump across the board instead of $50 would have absolutely wrecked intel. But, as you said, the 3xxx line is still so good. I have a 9600k @ 5.0ghz all core and my single core score is 500. The 5600x is pushing 600. That means if I wanted it match its performance I would probably need to be pushing 6.0 ghz. This chip is going to skullfuck intel in gamming. Intel cant with a straight face call itself the king of gamming, AMD absolutely can now.
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Ineptitude posted:How would we know if it is? It will say nvme on the product page. It's not a huge issue in the day-to-day but technically on paper NVME drives are like 5x faster than SATA drives for little to no premium in price. Most people here recommend the WD SN550 as the best overall value and performer but if you find something else just post it here before purchasing to check.
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Hello PC thread; I think I'm finally at the point where I need a new gaming computer. The trouble is, I've basically stopped paying attention to the entire field some twelve years ago when I got the current one so I have next to no idea what's what in hardware these days. That being said: What country are you in? Czech Republic. A little blob in the middle of Europe. What are you using the system for? Gaming and writing/translating, although that probably isn't an issue. I would also like to have the option to record videos while gaming (which is pretty taxing). What's your budget? Amounts to about 1500$ when the currency is converted; can go a couple hundred over if given a good reason, with 2000 being the absolute maximum. I would also like a monitor and microphone to go with it, which might factor in the budget significantly. Also need SSDs and sound (although that's probably integrated these days?) If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? For monitor, see above; for performance, I realize there's a lot of new gimmicks now but I would prefer, say, a card that can do raytracing in case it happens to be the Next Big Thing. As for actual preferences, I think I'd take a Nvidia card over an AMD on the account of the former not having burned out in my computer so far. I know it's hard to predict the technologies of the future, but I'd like to be able run current games on high settings and hope for the best. Thanks! anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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anilEhilated posted:Hello PC thread; I think I'm finally at the point where I need a new gaming computer. The trouble is, I've basically stopped paying attention to the entire field some twelve years ago when I got the current one so I have next to no idea what's what in hardware these days. That being said: You are in a funny spot budget wise and aren't very specific about your monitor? Do you need all new drives or do you by chance have some SSDs you already upgraded to? Do you want 1440 144 or to try pushing towards 4k? Because you could easily drop anywhere from one to two thirds of the budget into the gpu and monitor. But your probably looking at a 3700x and waiting for 3070.
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Harold Fjord posted:You are in a funny spot budget wise and aren't very specific about your monitor? Do you need all new drives or do you by chance have some SSDs you already upgraded to? Do you want 1440 144 or to try pushing towards 4k? Because you could easily drop anywhere from one to two thirds of the budget into the gpu and monitor. But your probably looking at a 3700x and waiting for 3070. e: If it helps, I can probably stretch the budget up to 2k but really can't go above that. Updated the post. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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ETPC posted:so a zen 2 and 3080 would pretty much carry me through next gen? Unless you are in true high refresh territory, yes on cpu front
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i'd be upgrading from a i7-7700k and a 1070. i currently play everything at 1920x1200 but eventually i want to get a 4k panel (waiting for HDR to stop being fucky on pc first though)
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ETPC posted:i'd be upgrading from a i7-7700k and a 1070. i currently play everything at 1920x1200 but eventually i want to get a 4k panel (waiting for HDR to stop being fucky on pc first though) 4K gaming is almost entirely dependent on your graphics card. Like the gap between a stock 3700X and an overclocked 10900K at 4K is low single digit FPS, it gives you 98.4% of the FPS for hundreds less or some poo poo. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900k/17.html The CPU becomes the limiting factor as resolution drops simply because the GPU has less to do.
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ETPC posted:i'd be upgrading from a i7-7700k and a 1070. i currently play everything at 1920x1200 but eventually i want to get a 4k panel (waiting for HDR to stop being fucky on pc first though) My 7700k is carrying fine at 1440. You should be fine @4k.
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sean10mm posted:4K gaming is almost entirely dependent on your graphics card. Like the gap between a stock 3700X and an overclocked 10900K at 4K is low single digit FPS, it gives you 98.4% of the FPS for hundreds less or some poo poo. This makes me want to forego waiting on the Zen 3 and just grab a 3700x for 1440p...
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Yeah, I don't think the value proposition of the 3700X just changed overnight. It's a better version of the 8 core Zen 2 in the next-gen consoles that all games are going to be made to run on first and foremost for the next 5 years or whatever, it's $80 cheaper than the 10700K while being nowhere near the stupid heat pig that thing is. If you go with the 5600X for the same price you gain a measurable (but probably not that significant IRL) performance gain in games while losing cores and threads that may (or may not) matter down the line. You go with the 5800X/5900X/5950X for gaming not because it's necessary by any stretch or a good value, but because you have the budget and want more CPU. (There may be real life work where it's actually worth paying for the more powerful CPUs as well.)
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My Haswell E3-1246 finally gave up the ghost so I'm looking to swap out CPU/motherboard/RAM (video card is a GTX1080) My head is spinning a bit with all the motherboard chipsets so just thought I'd ask for a quick sanity check. If I want to minimize my spend now and keep an upgrade path for future releases, I should get a Ryzen 3600 and pair it with an A520 chipset motherboard? It seems like if I don't care about PCIe 4.0 I can save a few bucks using A520 over B550 and still be able to slot in the next generation of Ryzen CPU if I want to? It doesn't really seem like PCIe 4.0 will be an issue for me as I don't really try to push max settings for my games.
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sean10mm posted:Yeah, I don't think the value proposition of the 3700X just changed overnight. It's a better version of the 8 core Zen 2 in the next-gen consoles that all games are going to be made to run on first and foremost for the next 5 years or whatever, it's $80 cheaper than the 10700K while being nowhere near the stupid heat pig that thing is. Yeah that's where I'm at but luckily not in a huge hurry. I've got the budget to go for a 5900 but if they only have limited quantities at launch (hopefully less of an issue with the higher price) then I'll probably just get the 3700x. Either way my current CPU has lasted 9 (!) years and still isn't terrible but I can bet the next one will last a long time too. Makes the higher price easier to swallow/justify. 
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roffles posted:My Haswell E3-1246 finally gave up the ghost so I'm looking to swap out CPU/motherboard/RAM (video card is a GTX1080) PCIe 4.0 doesn't even matter right now if you use an RTX 3080 at 4K Ultra Nightmare settings or some poo poo. Where it's more likely to matter is with storage, but even there the current PCIe 4.0 x4 SSDs don't even win all the benchmarks vs. PCIe 3.0 x4 SSDs because the controllers on the SSDs aren't mature yet. Maybe the Rocket 4.0 Plus and 980 Pro will change that, but I expect they'll be overcharging for a largely theoretical advantage for a while there. That said I tend to be leery of going mega cheap on motherboards because a) they're the foundation of your entire build, and b) when I've done it myself I inevitably find the lower tier BIOS is missing some feature I wish it had a year or two later. Like the fan control is markedly stupider/buggier or some crap like that. I mean an MSI B550M Pro-VDH is only $110 for a solid little platform that's on par with the old B450 Tomahawk MAX recommendation for gaming builds but with newer features.
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Quick question and I figured this would be the appropriate place. Is the Aorus boards the only ones with 3 m2 slots on it? This would be for an AM4 socket
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What country are you in? US What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Gaming What's your budget? Who knows If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate?: 1440p / 144mhz How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? All of the Ultra PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($529.99 @ Best Buy) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A 60.09 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($279.99 @ Adorama) Storage: Western Digital Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.00 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.94 @ Office Depot) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($108.78 @ Other World Computing) Total: $1751.56 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-09 21:06 EDT-0400 How's this looking. I already have the 10900k and I know with the AMD news that a lot of the sphere are over there but I'm not going back to AMD for a good while thats just dumb poo poo on my end, I get it, I really do, I just don't trust AMD lmaoooooo I have a 1080ti i'm gonna slot in there until i can get a 3080/3070 hopefully but I originally had an Asus board on there but there were reports of the ethernet hardware they used by Intel being all sorts of hosed up and I couldn't find concrete evidence that it's been solved/fixed. Asema fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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jammyozzy posted:What country are you in? UK This all looks pretty good to me tbh, I'd just wait until the 3070 is on EVGA's step-up list before pulling the trigger on that. I think the Arctic F14 that tops out at like 1300 RPM is the quieter model if noise is a concern. Asema posted:PCPartPicker Part List I would cool that 10900K WAY more. Like stick a D15 on it or even a fuckoff big AIO (which might make you want to move to a bigger case like the Meshify S2 that can mount a bigger radiator and fit longer graphics cards even with a front rad). Especially if you OC that thing the power draw & heat output can get frankly loving stupid, like 320 watts stupid. A 3080 is like another 320+ on top of that, so if you're OCing you'd have one of the few PCs that IRL might want more than a 750W PSU. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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sean10mm posted:This all looks pretty good to me tbh, I'd just wait until the 3070 is on EVGA's step-up list before pulling the trigger on that. Noctua NH-D15? I have absolutely zero experience with water cooling so I'm trying to go with just straight air since I'm not planning on OC anything. What would be a good PSU to aim for? Asema fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Asema posted:Noctua NH-D15? That's the one. If you are doing zero overclocking the 750 should be perfectly fine, but if you were overclocking both a 3080 and a 10900K you might find yourself not having much headroom. I think most people get a 10900K as an overclocking "toy" because it can hit CRAZY NUMBER GHZ, but practically speaking it's a monster CPU stock and OCing it takes it from a hot power hog to a space heater. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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sean10mm posted:That's the one. Reading more into it between the i7 and i9, should I just drop that down to the i7-10700k? I'm not going to do 4k anytime soon, I rarely stream, and now you've got me worried about heat and power lmao :s
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Asema posted:Reading more into it between the i7 and i9, should I just drop that down to the i7-10700k? I'm not going to do 4k anytime soon, I rarely stream, and now you've got me worried about heat and power lmao :s Yeah, by the time one is obsolete both are. Its like a 3090 basically.
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Asema posted:Reading more into it between the i7 and i9, should I just drop that down to the i7-10700k? I'm not going to do 4k anytime soon, I rarely stream, and now you've got me worried about heat and power lmao :s GamersNexus thought the 10700K was actually a worse choice than the 10900K or 10600K. Basically get the 10900K if you want the most XTREME intel CPU, and skip down to the 10600K for something more sane. The 10600K is too close to the 10700K for how much cheaper it is, basically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMMPjqLe8g Funny enough, AMD's own 5800X seems to fall into kind of the same trap vs. AMD"s own 5900X and 5600X (and the 3700X and 3600...) 
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