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If the villain politician is just Mitch McConnell that’s not a cliffhanger twist.
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jabby posted:Going back to Season 1, does anyone else think shooting down the jet with a kid onboard seems a little... out of character for Homelander as he is now? I suppose you could explain it as him flipping out that his "mother figure" was threatened, but this season he doesn't seem like someone who'd delight in killing kids. He even saved Stillwell's baby despite being hating it. Most of the people he kills are either criminals, or piss him off in some way, or genuine accidents. I took it as a capriciousness and hubris. The inconsistency is because he cares when convenient or necessary to other things (like public/self-image). The conniving is because he thought himself a mastermind who could solve problems (1) like a big boy and (2) to impress his Freudian mess of a mother-girlfriend.
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Oct 10, 2020 18:17
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Shageletic posted:Yeah good point. Its an Kripke style season reset. IDK. Feels like a pretty big jump. Things appear the same but overall everybody is in much more danger and all the lines are more tangled. If nothing else Maeve now has to worry about Noir and Homelander gunning for her, in addition to everything else, the Boys are content (for the moment) but fractured, there's a threat they don't even know about manipulating them, god knows how the CIA is going to handle Kid HL, etc. Old Kentucky Shark posted:Right, you could even see it happen with Homelander. He was fully on board with being the new Aryan Ubermensch, but when she started going full White Genocide in front of Ryan he got real twitchy. Homelander doesn't see baseline humans as people, so to him the idea of hating or favoring one group or another on the basis of skin color must seem like someone really loving Black labs so much that they want to genocide all Yellow labs. He probably also recognizes that exposing Ryan to that sort of poo poo is just a less overt way of indoctrinating him the same way as he was - Stormfront doesn't care about the kid, she just wants more weapons. Had that been allowed to play out I think it might've ended with Stormfront getting crisped no matter what. jabby posted:See I felt like he was quite broken up about Stormfront. When he asks "Ryan, did you do this?" you can see him take a second to process that his son has just (almost) killed the only person he ever connected with, before he pulls himself together and decides he can forgive him and still wants to be with him. I think it's a combination of exhaustion, frustration, sadness and grief, and also pride. His son did what he was trying to teach him - use a really strong emotion as the impetus to wield his powers, and probably at a level that's above what Homelander expected him to be capable of. Whatever anger he had at Ryan at that moment is superceded by his sense of ownership and responsibility for the boy. Ryan did as he was taught, and the consequences were nowhere near what Homelander expected. He recognizes that and the implications - that he has to do better - even if he doesn't know how and defaults to crazy sociopath the moment things don't go his way. ptkfvk posted:did anyone get the feeling the homelander may have eaten a few of those guys in the house? it could easily have been blood spray from ripping people apart but just combining comic HL and noir into one character losing it as things fall apart is a better way to go than the comics route. its probably too early to go that wild with HL and have him just eat someone. No but I think he probably killed them in the slowest most tortuous ways that he could. The first guy who got lasered in half got lucky because he went quick. jabby posted:Going back to Season 1, does anyone else think shooting down the jet with a kid onboard seems a little... out of character for Homelander as he is now? I suppose you could explain it as him flipping out that his "mother figure" was threatened, but this season he doesn't seem like someone who'd delight in killing kids. He even saved Stillwell's baby despite being hating it. Most of the people he kills are either criminals, or piss him off in some way, or genuine accidents. Baseline humans aren't people to him. The kid on the plane was just collateral damage who wouldn't have had to die if his father hadn't overplayed his hand and forced Homelander to act. He saves Stillwell's kid out of whatever affection he had left for her and maybe some sympathy for what a child growing up without a mother will experience. Bust Rodd posted:~It's funny that we have pages of "Where the gently caress did Maeve come from?" but I haven't seen a single post in the last 20 pages about MM just... walking off Stormfront's insane attack? Like he was thrown 30 yards in a car and rolled and just... doesn't have a scratch on him? I imagine Ryan is cushioning some of the damage to Becca or whatever but that really stood out to me, to the point that i thought it was foreshadowing that MM has compound V. Yeah I loved the showdown between Butcher and Edgar, especially that line. If you're going to typecast someone you could do a lot worse than Esposito scaring the poo poo out of everybody when he wants to. A-train's storyline was actually much more engaging than I expected this season, I'm glad to see that he stuck around. Also the "Hey, shitbirds!" scene where he surprises Hughie and Starlight in the car make me literally laugh out loud. They do such a good job of layering the hosed up stuff with nice little comedic moments. MM having compound V would be make sense. He's obviously tougher than just about anyone else on the team and we've seen him shrug off something that would take a normal person down multiple times this season (Noir knifing him, the supe in the asylum, and getting tossed about by Stormfront). Also his OCD could be how he copes/manages with whatever abnormal effects the V has on him, and his comment earlier in the season about "not passing things down" to his daughter is much more complicated in that context. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Oct 10, 2020 18:17
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The saddest (and most relieving part) of the episode was Butcher definitely willing to pull a Gordon Freeman on Ryan but turned around on it.
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Oct 10, 2020 18:22
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scary ghost dog posted:this show has a lot of really clever social satire but you shouldnt expect it to match up 100% to reality, not because its an amazon show, but because it still needs to have an interesting story with compelling characters As a leftist (but not an American one), satirising AOC as a controlled opposition isn't totally crazy. Obviously she's not secretly exploding heads for Trump or anything, but you could certainly see her as part of the establishment wearing an anti-establishment face. I'm sure they mainly did it for drama reasons, but making her a double agent doesn't totally break the political metaphor for me.
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Oct 10, 2020 18:25
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s just now occurring to me on my drive to work that Stormfront was taken out by a perfect little blonde haired blue-eyed Aryan wunderkin Yea, that's why Captain America looks the way he does. Kirby wanted the Aryan ideal to be its greatest foe. Why? Because gently caress nazis that's why. Again, nazis are dumb and short sighted and tend to assume everyone who fits their idea of the perfect human is going to go along with them. There are instances where Allied POWs were taken to the SS and said "hey you're blond and have blue eyes, come join the Nazis!" and they were told to shove their jackboots up their rear end. Seeing Frau Voight get her rear end beat was very gratifying. gently caress that nazi bitch, burn in hell. Esposito is really good in a few episodes of Homicide Life On the Street. He played Yaphet Kotto's son, which works because he actually is part black and part italian. But yea I'd love to see him play something else. When Becka comes back and everyone is just in love with her is great. Even Kimiko has a big smile on her face. They know this is the best woman in the world to have Butchers heart.
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Oct 10, 2020 18:37
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I'm a socialist, I like AOC. I'm 100% ok with a tv show using a fake-AOC as an evil saboteur as a plot point.
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Oct 10, 2020 18:41
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You think they wrapped things up just in case they feared cancelation?
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Oct 10, 2020 18:59
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jabby posted:As a leftist (but not an American one), satirising AOC as a controlled opposition isn't totally crazy. Obviously she's not secretly exploding heads for Trump or anything, but you could certainly see her as part of the establishment wearing an anti-establishment face. I think the people who are bothered by it are bothered because Jeff fuckin Bezos doesn't like people like her, so therefore the show must have chosen her likeness to smear her, or something silly like that  I really have no problem with it and find "poking fun" at any popular figure like that to be good and enjoyable.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:00
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Phi230 posted:You think they wrapped things up just in case they feared cancelation? Renewal was already a certainty. I think it has the amount (which again, is FAR from total) of resolution that it does in anticipation of an 18+ month delay for Season 3.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:03
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They were already a month into filming season 2 (and season 1 hadn't aired yet) when Amazon announced its renewal the first time, so they obviously know this stuff way ahead of time. Amazon just likes to spread the announcements way out. Shawn Ashmore would have shot his scenes an entire year before they ever announced his casting, for another example. Season 3 filming is a bit delayed with covid though. It's only expected to start in February, and run through August. So we shouldn't expect season 3 until holiday 2021 based on the previous schedules.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:09
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Right, you could even see it happen with Homelander. He was fully on board with being the new Aryan Ubermensch, but when she started going full White Genocide in front of Ryan he got real twitchy. It's of course also a good callback to the real world people who think that as long as you don't say the n-word you're not racist. HL is profoundly part of that demographic. Sab669 posted:I think the people who are bothered by it are bothered because Jeff fuckin Bezos doesn't like people like her, so therefore the show must have chosen her likeness to smear her, or something silly like that From a narrative point of view having an "establishment" Dem be the Vought plant would probably be way less of a surprise, too. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Oct 10, 2020 19:26
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Golden Bee posted:I really like the part where Butcher is going ham with his crowbar and not doing anything to stormfront. To everyone else, he’s a badass, but she doesn’t even notice him at his most enraged. A lot of other shows would worship the guy, and the comic books did. He looked a bit like a muppet trying to do violence in that moment, just repeatedly smacking her back/cape which clearly wasn't working, never tried to swing into the head, reach the growbar round to gouge her eyes/mouth/etc. She's clearly capable of being stabbed through the eye.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:33
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Khanstant posted:She's clearly capable of being stabbed through the eye. Jesus that scream that Aya ripped out was loving visceral, actually made me flinch more than the over the top gore effects.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:35
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Butcher abandoned Ryan because he absolutely was going to cave in the little boys skull and he can't live with himself if he has to smile at that memory in the face every day. We have not seen the last of Ryan but there isn't any version of Butcher "learning to love again" that doesn't suck poo poo. Hey Moist Turtleneck i'm sorry if you don't do request but can you give me butcher's face when he goes for his crowbar at the end. He is absolutely grim in that shot.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:35
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Did anyone catch the German that Stormfront was murmuring after she got roasted? Was it anything except deranged Nazi ramblings?
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Oct 10, 2020 19:37
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Mike N Eich posted:I'm a socialist, I like AOC. I'm 100% ok with a tv show using a fake-AOC as an evil saboteur as a plot point. Same, it's a perfectly valid way to make the show relevant. The political caricatures from the comic were topical for the early 2000s but would look dated now. Also, bad actors appropriating #woke language and causes for their own nefarious ends is a real thing and was paralleled with Stormfront's tell-it-like-it-is social media savvy earlier in the season. The writers really have a sense of the cultural zeitgeist (especially online culture) that I've never seen in any other show.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:46
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QuoProQuid posted:Did anyone catch the German that Stormfront was murmuring after she got roasted? Was it anything except deranged Nazi ramblings? It’s a memory of going to pick apples with her daughter and husband.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:47
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I want to see Black Noir apologize to Starlight by handing her a written note that looks like it was done by a child
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Oct 10, 2020 19:49
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Nestharken posted:Same, it's a perfectly valid way to make the show relevant. The political caricatures from the comic were topical for the early 2000s but would look dated now. i lolled when she said “there are people out there who hate us, who want to hurt us, just because of the color of our skin. its called white genocide”
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Oct 10, 2020 19:49
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FilthyImp posted:How the gently caress do you jump to cannibalism like that. Like. Why. happened in the comic sort of. when he left the cabin he made a little move with his mouth that made me think of it. its pretty obvious that vought is gathering everything they can to deal with a rogue homelander. a bunch of pictures of ripped up security guards or maybe even some videos or pictures from secret cameras in the cabin is good ammo. though now we know that his response is if people try to do something like ruin him globally. probably didnt happen but it reminded me of the comic. i kind of expected edgar to have been messed up by stormfront similar to how homelander crippled the scientist for information.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:55
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scary ghost dog posted:i lolled when she said “there are people out there who hate us, who want to hurt us, just because of the color of our skin. its called white genocide” It was like in Watchmen when the Senator goes "Its been hard to be a white man in America", it this incredibly silly and stupid thing to say that people are honestly believing and even worse VOTING because of it. "They like what I say, just not the nazi part" was also spot on. That's why the Proud Boys call themselves Western Chauvinists, or you say you're not a white supremacist, you're a race realist. Those are naughty words that people don't like, but you just rebrand people might be dumb enough to miss you're saying the same stupid things. Storefronts wounds were almost exactly Anakin's as well. Though he didn't lose an eye.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:56
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scary ghost dog posted:i lolled when she said “there are people out there who hate us, who want to hurt us, just because of the color of our skin. its called white genocide” And then Homelander's facial expression was "uhhhhh yeah, whatever."
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Oct 10, 2020 19:57
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ptkfvk posted:happened in the comic sort of. when he left the cabin he made a little move with his mouth that made me think of it. its pretty obvious that vought is gathering everything they can to deal with a rogue homelander. a bunch of pictures of ripped up security guards or maybe even some videos or pictures from secret cameras in the cabin is good ammo. though now we know that his response is if people try to do something like ruin him globally. That's just one of Homelander's mannerisms that Starr does. He does a lot of jaw acting.
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Oct 10, 2020 19:58
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homelander definitely licked a lil blood off his lip
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Oct 10, 2020 20:02
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Homelander finding the Vought goons and killing them is definitely table setting Homelander being even more anti-Vought next season.
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Oct 10, 2020 20:05
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This is what Stormfront says in the german dub version: First part, as Butcher stands up. She's talking but the volume is too low to understand the beginning. Then "...denken Liebling. Es war so schön. Es war so schön wie wir dort zu dritt gesessen. Im Schatten eines Apfelbaums." - remember (could also mean "think, but i guess it's this in context) , darling. It was so beautiful. It was so beautiful as we three sat in the shadow of an Appletree. To Homelander: "Erinnerst du dich an den Tag, Frederik? Chloe hat die Arme aus dem Autofenster gestreckt. Wir haben den perfekten Platz am Fluss gefunden, im Schatten eines Apfelbaums. Es war das erste Mal, dass Chloe frische Äpfel (here Homelander starts talking over her) gegessen hat." Then she gets faded down as HL and Ryan speak and i can't make out the rest. - Do you remember the day, Frederik? Chloe stretched her arms out of the car-windows. We found the perfect place at the river, in the shadow of an appletree.It was the first time Chloe ate fresh apples. Sorry i couldn't understand it all. And the goon that corrected me was right. It's clearly about her husband and daughter. I couldn't make anything of the names while watching. bou fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Oct 10, 2020 20:10
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Storefront really loved her daughter. But did Chloe come before the Compound V? Or wouldn't she have been supercharged like Ryan? Also I think Homelander is less powerful than Ryan. I felt like the context of his first sex scene this season was that neither of them were holding back. If Homelander could do like a full Scott Summers Optic Blast wouldn't he have just done that to the plane... to better simulate an explosion? Homelander was a baby injected with Compound V, Ryan is a "space spore" born from a human woman who was probably given further Compound V infusions in eutero (and with 30+ years of R&D between Baby Homie and Baby Ryan). Hell, Homelander's face at the destroyed Stormfront might have even been shock//jealousy!
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Oct 10, 2020 20:14
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Bonus Butcher  crowbar pics while i'm there: 
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Oct 10, 2020 20:25
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Yeah, the redness in his eyes was really well done. There's a part in the newest "Dear Becky" comic where he recalls her asking what he'd do if he ever lost her, and he finally whispers "...murder the whole fuckin' world" in response to her, too quiet for her to hear.
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Oct 10, 2020 20:34
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bingeing through now and just finished episode 2 it's been a while since I watched S1 but was Butcher always this much of an rear end in a top hat? he's happy to manipulate the other Boys into helping him but he really doesn't seem to give a poo poo about them and would happily sell any one of them out if it would help him achieve his personal goal e: loving the amount of Billy Joel on the soundtrack though
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Oct 10, 2020 20:36
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bou posted:Bonus Butcher Man I love how they lit these so his eyes are just black
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Oct 10, 2020 21:03
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Beamed posted:Homelander finding the Vought goons and killing them is definitely table setting Homelander being even more anti-Vought next season. HL does a little exasperated sigh right when he's turning to close the cabin door and the whole time he's emoting some lowkey resignation and frustration at being betrayed yet again. I do wonder how Edgar is going to keep him on a leash next season without Kid HL. They have the plane crash video but that's a weapon of last resort and the result of using it would be catastrophic. bou posted:Bonus Butcher Starr gets most of the attention but I have really enjoyed Urban's performance. The guy has had a hell of a career, nice to see him get a chance to show his range in a leading role.
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Oct 10, 2020 21:07
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Despite knowing it was coming because it was rather telegraphed, I could not help but (and this is the best descriptor) cackle once I heard, "Girls get it done."
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Oct 10, 2020 21:10
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Prowler posted:Despite knowing it was coming because it was rather telegraphed, I could not help but (and this is the best descriptor) cackle once I heard, "Girls get it done." Yeah I saw that coming like 2 episodes in advance and still laughed
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Oct 10, 2020 21:12
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Bust Rodd posted:Please keep the Succ out of The Boys thread, it’s literally OK if the leftist progressive candidate is secretly evil. I hope Omnath stays legal because of this post
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Oct 10, 2020 21:29
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https://twitter.com/sethrogen/status/1084606023921364992quote:Doumit was equally "clueless" about this character going in for the initial audition. "I had no idea,” she says in her first interview about the finale. “I booked season 2, I came in, and all I kept hearing from Eric in passing was, ‘Big stuff. The Neuman thing. Excited for Neuman.’ And he'd just walk off. And I was like, ‘Crap! What's happening?’”
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Oct 10, 2020 21:36
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Obviously she's modeled on AOC, but do we actually know any of her politics besides supe legislation stuff? I don't recall if that's come up, or her party or anything.
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Oct 10, 2020 21:37
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I just highly doubt that Evan Goldberg and Seth Rogen are producing a show that says "leftism is as bad as nazism" https://twitter.com/sethrogen/status/896858136417579008
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Oct 10, 2020 21:40
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The Klowner posted:I hope Omnath stays legal because of this post this is fascism
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Oct 10, 2020 21:45
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