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| Season 1 (Marco Polo) |
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13 | 18.57% |
| Season 2 (The Crusade) |
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1 | 1.43% |
| Season 3 (Galaxy 4/The Myth Makers/The Daleks' Master Plan/The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve/The Celestial Toymaker/The Savages) |
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25 | 35.71% |
| Season 4 (The Smugglers/The Highlanders/The Underwater Menace/The Evil of the Daleks) |
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16 | 22.86% |
| Season 5 (The Abominable Snowmen/The Web of Fear/The Wheel in Space) |
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11 | 15.71% |
| Season 6 (The Space Pirates) |
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4 | 5.71% |
| Total: | 70 votes | ||
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She needs a fez.
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Oct 11, 2020 00:41
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Rhyno posted:She needs a fez. https://i.imgur.com/iKP22u0.mp4 She has the best facial expressions 
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Oct 11, 2020 00:45
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I just saw Mindwarp and oh yeah it's bad. There's not enough story for four episodes but it would've been dull even if it'd been shorter. The whole idea just should've been thrown out. Setting so much of it in dimly-lit caves wasn't a good idea. It might be a common problem in Doctor Who not to be able to tell where places are in relation to each other, but it's especially bad here. One of the problems they'd wanted to fix from the previous season was that the Doctor was unlikable, and here he goes crazy and starts working with the villains. It might not be real but we still see it. Mysterious Planet did a good job showing a good relationship between the Doctor and Peri but it's all flushed away here. The trial interruptions didn't bother me as much as in the previous story, though the fact the Time Lords themselves interfere seems to make the whole thing moot, and reveals how half-baked the idea is. Sil and Yrcanos do get some funny dialogue, though even Brian Blessed looks bored at times. Kind of weird seeing the guy from My Beautiful Laundrette as a sci-fi freedom fighter, not that he has much to do.
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Oct 11, 2020 03:00
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Burkion posted:She's just really nice and sweet and I'd like to see her get very vindictive at some point. Its kind of tied to that lack of agency thing, I think. She doesn't get to do stuff really. The Doctor's not like an angry character, usually, but even the Fifth Doctor got to be pissed off. She mostly comes across, at her worst, as mildly crossed. I've harped on this before but the biggest reason for this is that the Doctor doesn't spend any time talking with the villains anymore. The majority of the dialogue under Chibnall is the Doctor and the companions discussing the plot, designating roles for each of the companions to do, then getting back together and discussing the results. It's like Law & Order: TARDIS or something. So the only time she can get angry is when one of the companions does something she doesn't like, like when Graham expresses enthusiasm for killing a mass murderer or whatever. I didn't watch like half of the last season so maybe there are some counter-examples, but the only instance of the Doctor getting into the thick of it with a bad guy I can think of is the episode with King James. It seems like such a more myopic show nowadays, and the fact that the inherently boring dialogue is being scripted by someone who's far worse at patter than RTD or Moffat makes it all the more weaker.
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Oct 11, 2020 04:15
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Yeah there are lots of examples (E: of her talking to villains) in the second half of the season. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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Oct 11, 2020 07:23
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Yeah, it feels like she never gets to have the big righteous indignation, oncoming storm speech that, even if it was tired sometimes, all the other modern Doctors at least got a version of. It feels like they're toning down the Doctor's volatility and mercurial nature a bit and the fact that they're doing this for the first female Doctor can't help but feel moderately sexist, to me.
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Oct 11, 2020 09:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFGFd3GQxgA&t=39s
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Oct 11, 2020 11:40
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Burkion posted:Her current outfit fits her fine but it's also very... Android Blues posted:Yeah, it feels like she never gets to have the big righteous indignation, oncoming storm speech that, even if it was tired sometimes, all the other modern Doctors at least got a version of. It feels like they're toning down the Doctor's volatility and mercurial nature a bit and the fact that they're doing this for the first female Doctor can't help but feel moderately sexist, to me. Agree with both of these.
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Oct 11, 2020 14:13
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Thirteen and Ten team up, in video game form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y20ohRYUKv8 Also, some sort of found footage cell phone game based on Blink, featuring Osgood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHi5uDUqIo
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Oct 11, 2020 17:15
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The '...but probably not the one you were expecting' line doesn't really work for 10 considering how prevalent he is at the moment with all the TLV stuff.
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Oct 11, 2020 18:41
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Android Blues posted:Yeah, it feels like she never gets to have the big righteous indignation, oncoming storm speech that, even if it was tired sometimes, all the other modern Doctors at least got a version of. It feels like they're toning down the Doctor's volatility and mercurial nature a bit and the fact that they're doing this for the first female Doctor can't help but feel moderately sexist, to me. I can see how you'd arrive at that conclusion, but the thing is, it's not just the Doctor. Every character has been almost bland and entirely one note, to the point that in 2 seasons I can only think of a handful of scenes for anyone where they've not been in the exact same emotional state and place as they were at the start. It's not like Ryan or Yaz have any more depth, and Graham only stands out because he's literally an early evening gameshow character who's somehow wondering around in Who. It's a shame, because the few times the cast gets something else to do, they all nail it. The Doctors 'Oh gently caress you' eyes when the Master told her to kneel, Graham's subtle grief when his wife died, Ryans monologue to his Dad (that one hit me hard), Yaz's....Ok, Yaz has had nothing yet, but those moments are so rare. Most of it is the Doctor being all 'Core blimey it's YOU, who did THE THING, I am SUCH A FAN!!!!, Ryan being 'Duh what does that mean?', Yaz being boringly competent, and Graham being a punchline. That's been Chibnalls thing the whole time he's written for Who though - Dull as gently caress episodes with occasionally weird payoffs, like 'Amazon workers should like stfu' and 'Hey Nazi's it's a brown guy, get him!', or 'deadbeat Dellboy-esq Dad who keeps abandoning his son to chase crazy schemes was proved right when his crazy scheme saved the day'. Even Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - the one good thing he's written on Who - suddenly morphed from dumb fun comedy romp to 'gently caress you Walder Frey DIE' out of nowhere. It's not like RTD or Moffat era Who had especially in depth characters, Ten was either 'I AM ALONE', 'I AM A VENGEFUL GOD', or 'THAT'S BRILLIANT!!!!'. But those are, like, 3 entirely different notes at least. And characters actually changed over time. Amy and Rory were different people by their third season - Amy was more empathic, Rory was less neurotic. How has, say, Yaz changed from her first scene?
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Oct 11, 2020 19:15
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The_Doctor posted:The '...but probably not the one you were expecting' line doesn't really work for 10 considering how prevalent he is at the moment with all the TLV stuff. I'm more surprised that 13 was in it.
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Oct 11, 2020 20:34
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Pastamania posted:Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - the one good thing he's written on Who After being profoundly disappointed by Whitaker's first season, I rewatched Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and it was astounding how much more of a competent piece of television it was. It does a pretty good job of giving all of its large cast of characters a couple of beats, a feat which has thus far eluded Chibnall's other writing. It's kind of dopey, but that's a far more forgivable flaw than dull and pointless.
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Oct 11, 2020 23:19
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Pastamania posted:That's been Chibnalls thing the whole time he's written for Who though - Dull as gently caress episodes with occasionally weird payoffs, like 'Amazon workers should like stfu' and 'Hey Nazi's it's a brown guy, get him!', or 'deadbeat Dellboy-esq Dad who keeps abandoning his son to chase crazy schemes was proved right when his crazy scheme saved the day'. Even Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - the one good thing he's written on Who - suddenly morphed from dumb fun comedy romp to 'gently caress you Walder Frey DIE' out of nowhere. Hmm. I'm not going to defend the author of Cyberwoman as brilliant, but there's plenty of fair criticisms to level at Chibnall without ascribing other people's faults to him. Kerblam! author = Pete McTighe Kerblam! script editor = Fiona McAllister Plus we have McTighe specifically taking credit for the "twist" at the end of the episode, and proudly so. 42 and The Woman Who Fell to Earth were both competent, The Power of Three and The Tsurunga Conundrum surprisingly good. His finales have left something to be desired, and I think I'd prefer him as showrunner not to be doing much of the writing. Then again, I think the "head writer also runs the show" development of the new era is frankly madness. We've ended up with some shockingly good series, but the management side of things hasn't been as consistent and I find myself wondering if the overlap in responsibilities isn't part of why it seems to be so hard to complete a season every year. He's not as talented as the previous two showrunners. But I'd take him over Eric Saward any day.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:49
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Narsham posted:He's not as talented as the previous two showrunners. But I'd take him over Eric Saward any day. Being better than the guy who got Doctor Who off the air for 18 months is not exactly a high bar.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:26
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Narsham posted:He's not as talented as the previous two showrunners. But I'd take him over Eric Saward any day. To be honest I enjoy The Visitation and Revelation of the Daleks more than any script credited to Chibnall aside from maybe The Power of Three.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:24
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Eric Saward you say? Why certainly I'll accept any excuse to post this! Full credit to forktoss for this and all the other wonderful comics they've made in the past. This WAS forktoss, right? 
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Oct 12, 2020 16:31
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Jerusalem posted:Eric Saward you say? Why certainly I'll accept any excuse to post this! Yes and we need more! <  > (I jest, but they’re so good!)
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Oct 12, 2020 16:48
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https://twitter.com/_billiebelieves/status/1315614360140685312?s=21
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Oct 12, 2020 17:14
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Edward Mass posted:Being better than the guy who got Doctor Who off the air for 18 months is not exactly a high bar. OK, let's get down to cases, shall we? Questions below for the thread. How would you rate Chibnall as a writer in comparison to the following series writers (ignore the show-running stuff)? Mark Gatiss Bob Baker and Dave Martin Terry Nation He's clearly worse than the best writers for the show, and there have been a decent number of them. He's better than the absolute worst, although I do suspect a few posters here might argue that and suggest that Pip and Jane Baker or Mervyn Haisman and Henry Lincoln are massively underrated.
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Oct 12, 2020 17:34
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Better than non-Genesis Nation and about on par with a good Baker/Martin story.
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Oct 12, 2020 17:52
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The_Doctor posted:Yes and we need more! < I have had a couple sort of half-planned for ages, maybe I should try to find the time to actually make them! It has been a very long time since the last one. Narsham posted:OK, let's get down to cases, shall we? Questions below for the thread. How would you rate Chibnall as a writer in comparison to the following series writers (ignore the show-running stuff)? Baker & Martin for one are hands down better than Chibnall. Gatiss is just as sloppy but more fun, Nation has the same kind of dire baseline tone to his work but at least a good script editor could get something out of him, which Davies or Moffat never got from the Chib. quote:I do suspect a few posters here might argue that and suggest that Pip and Jane Baker or Mervyn Haisman and Henry Lincoln are massively underrated. I mean you can't fault The Web of Fear, and Pip & Jane could at least keep a deadline.
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Oct 12, 2020 18:06
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FreezingInferno posted:Better than non-Genesis Nation and about on par with a good Baker/Martin story. Oh no way is anything by Chibnall nearly as good as The Three Doctors!
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Oct 12, 2020 18:08
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The Mutants is actually excellent
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Oct 12, 2020 19:01
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Nation could write some really good stuff He was just extraordinarily lazy about recycling his own stuff
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Oct 12, 2020 19:10
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That's the way you do it, get your money for nothing and your kicks for free. Big Finish are giving away The Eleven for free this week (I assume there's not some catch). I haven't listened to a Big Finish audio in a very, very long time, over a decade. Is it worth downloading? I keep meaning to get some of the Paul McGann post-Charlie stuff, but never get round to it.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:20
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OldMemes posted:That's the way you do it, get your money for nothing and your kicks for free. Anything with The Eleven in it is worth it IMO just to hear Mark Bonnar enjoying the hell out of the role. Edit: Between The Eleven and Norton Folgate, I'm not sure which Big Finish original character I enjoy more, but they're always must buys for me.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:12
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OldMemes posted:That's the way you do it, get your money for nothing and your kicks for free. Yeah it's fine. I don't remember the stories being particularly interesting but you get Mark Bonnar and Paul McGann, what's not to like?
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Oct 12, 2020 23:32
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OldMemes posted:Big Finish are giving away The Eleven for free this week (I assume there's not some catch). The catch is that it's the first of four parts of a(n expensive) box set, which is the first of a(n expensive) four box set series, which is one of four Paul McGann box set series that already exist with more undoubtedly on the way.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:32
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So a friend of mine posted a really interesting tweet thread on an obscure sect of ancient Greeks who specifically believed in a god that they also, at the same time, believed did not exist. He literally exists because he doesn't, he is a negative-space god. https://twitter.com/JazzElves/status/1315670327859597312 I bring this up because it turns out that the belief he's describing was actually the initial inspiration for the villain in everyone's favorite anniversary story wait where are you going
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Oct 13, 2020 03:34
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Burkion posted:Nation could write some really good stuff
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Oct 13, 2020 12:37
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If you ever watch the bonus features that come with the classic series DVDs (and I assume Blu-Ray collections?) which I highly recommend, you hear some great stories from Terrance Dicks about getting scripts from Terry Nation, then calling him on the phone and saying,"Terry... this is the same script you gave me 6 months ago...."
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Oct 13, 2020 12:44
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Jerusalem posted:If you ever watch the bonus features that come with the classic series DVDs (and I assume Blu-Ray collections?) which I highly recommend, you hear some great stories from Terrance Dicks about getting scripts from Terry Nation, then calling him on the phone and saying,"Terry... this is the same script you gave me 6 months ago...." "Oh is it? Here, hand it to me for a second." *scribbles over some words with a Sharpie, pastes in a few pages from a different script* "There, I'll expect payment in two weeks."
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Oct 13, 2020 15:57
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Jerusalem posted:If you ever watch the bonus features that come with the classic series DVDs (and I assume Blu-Ray collections?) which I highly recommend, you hear some great stories from Terrance Dicks about getting scripts from Terry Nation, then calling him on the phone and saying,"Terry... this is the same script you gave me 6 months ago...." It comes up in a few of the Dalek ones, I believe Can't imagine why...
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Oct 13, 2020 18:58
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Recycling of The Daleks
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Oct 14, 2020 05:15
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List of people who have not realized that Daleks are organic beings inside a metal-housing environment suit, instead believing that they are literally robots: - Terry Nation, creator of the Daleks. That is all.
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Oct 14, 2020 06:11
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I'd love to see a return of some of the other forms of the Dalek mutants- we've had the brain starfish for a while but some of the goopier ones would be great to see
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Oct 14, 2020 06:17
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Burkion posted:I'd love to see a return of some of the other forms of the Dalek mutants- we've had the brain starfish for a while but some of the goopier ones would be great to see All vestigial limbs and sensory organs, almost amoeboid. I did like the idea of the vomit inducing ‘functional appendages and some kind of mechanical prosthesis grafted into its very body’, which appeared to be a metal claw. 
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Oct 14, 2020 11:44
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Rochallor posted:I would prefer that the War Doctor be used as little as possible, really. Given that he regenerates immediately after the end of DotD, there's not a lot of times for him to pop up and on those occasions he's probably in an even worse state than he is in DotD. The novels and four-part audio stories are fine continuity speaking, I guess, even if I'm conceptually opposed to them, but him getting invited to a bunch of multi-Doctor stories is rather silly. Homora Gaykemi posted:Yeah, I feel like the War Doc is best left where he is now. GOOD NEWS! https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1316348137188061185?s=19
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Oct 14, 2020 13:20
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Ugh It's just going to Briggsy again isn't it
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Oct 14, 2020 13:36
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