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You know, Snape is a pretty bad potions teacher if he has all this tips and tricks to make better potions and then just straight up doesn't share them with his students.
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Iirc he's much more helpful to those who are good at potions. Maybe not a good quality in a teacher, but he's not just keeping it all to himself.
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Oct 12, 2020 03:59
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If he didn't hate them. Hermione was good at potions and he shat all over her efforts and didn't give her any cool tips. I think he mainly helped slytherins.
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Snape was jealous, abusive and disgusting. He was not a good teacher, even if he was good at potions (a lot of the skill for which he got from his mom) and DADA. He saw his mom as weak, even if she was preferable to his abusive muggle dad who also made him embrace only his magic side. He fell for the evil, bigoted cult hook, line and sinker and gave information he likely knew would kill his crush's family and his crush (she was muggle-born) just because he was deluding himself about Voldemort caring at all about his followers and that Lily was deluding herself about James. Then, he completely confused James with Harry, transferring all that he hated and was jealous of to Harry just for the purpose of petty vengeance. Harry definitely was above-average but with adhd and anger issues because of abuse but was not much like his father was as a kid, more like his mother or a hybrid. Snape proceeded to physically and emotionally torture Harry and Neville. Snape bullied almost all of his students that weren't Slytherins mercilessly and even some of them. James (also Sirius) was an rear end as a kid and Harry probably related more to Snape than anyone else in the story as far as upbringings go but Snape could never look past his own jealousy and humiliation at the hands of the duo, nor his indoctrination. Particularly during Occlumency lessons in book 5, he saw that Harry, far from being like James at that age, had suffered similarly at the hands Aunt Petunia, Uncle Vernon, "Aunt" Marge and especially Dudley. Snape could have related, understood, cared. But he didn't. He only cared at all because Lily and that wasn't enough to make him realize he might be around a kindred spirit and not his Bitter Bi Rival or school enemy. At least not consciously. (To be fair, Harry never tried to bridge the gap, either, after learning about how Snape had it but then he was 15. Not an adult and not in the position of power, plus had 4.5 years of being hated for a reason outside his control and understanding.) All Snape wanted was revenge for "stealing" his girl and making him look like a fool (for which he paid James back many times according to Lupin) and not being recognized as the best student in the class. Snape had to work for it, god forbid, whereas James, Sirius and even Lily had slightly more talent and aptitude (except quidditch with James). Sure, join the fascist cult that says your angst is justification for murder and your muggle-born best friend/love of your life is an abomination. That'll show'em. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 05:11
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Sydin posted:lmao the good guys are super lucky Voldy was such a weirdo wizard weeb, because if he had any sense he would have just picked a random grain of sand in the Sahara or a rock that he chucked into the ocean to be his new soul anchor and bam: 100% immortal forever and there's gently caress all anybody can do about it. It came up before but Harry actually explicitly suggests that Voldemort could just make a Horcrux out of a rock in a cave full of rocks and no one would ever find it, and Dumbledore says that would be the smart thing to do but Voldemort is a narcissistic drama queen so his horcruxes have to be objects of significance NikkolasKing posted:Harry is an overly passive protagonist, that is a definite flaw in the series. However, one year of coaching a 16-year-old is not going to let them fight and defeat Mike Tyson. Nothing Dumbledore could teach Harry in a year would let him defeat a guy who has spent almost a century traveling the world and learning more about magic than anyone else alive. LotR is another thing since kind of the point is that Sauron already HAD been beaten by military force, but he just keeps coming back unless you destroy the ring.
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Oct 12, 2020 05:25
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Harry was an aggressively average student who benefited from extra attention from teachers, and Snape's failings as a teacher make him an average English boarding school teacher so far as I understand, at least for the era of schooling that Hogwarts is supposed to evoke. (An era that sucked) His backstory is dumb, but it's not like any of the other professors seem to have a real personal life outside of their jobs.
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It would have made perfect sense if it had just been "No, you're putting part of your soul into the Horcrux, so it has to be something significant to you, something that already has some connection to your soul." But I guess "No, Voldemort's just an idiot" works as an explanation too.
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In a sense all the ghosts have horcruxes, probably, magical paintings and graven artifacts stolen from goblins, axes that are used to behead people, used to bind them to the earth. It makes sense voldemort was a ghost, probably more sense because it is not explained like in a book or by a character explicitly.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It came up before but Harry actually explicitly suggests that Voldemort could just make a Horcrux out of a rock in a cave full of rocks and no one would ever find it, and Dumbledore says that would be the smart thing to do but Voldemort is a narcissistic drama queen so his horcruxes have to be objects of significance True but I was just drawing a thematic parallel. The point is to extol humility and virtue. Frodo was no descendant of legendary Numenor. He was no First Age Elf or Hero. He was a Hobbit, a people considered beneath the notice of the "Wise" save for Gandalf. Harry, while "The Chosen One," was not special because of his birth or because of his magical abilities. He was special because he was a good person who had a tireless, selfless drive to stop Voldemort and save others from his evil. Meeting might with might is foolish. What truly defeats evil is goodness, not swords or wands. I think that is a vital message of both HP and LOTR which are two works tthat place discussions of morality before pretty much everything.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Harry was an aggressively average student who benefited from extra attention from teachers, and Snape's failings as a teacher make him an average English boarding school teacher so far as I understand, at least for the era of schooling that Hogwarts is supposed to evoke. (An era that sucked) Harry was a better than average student if his O.W.L. scores are anything to go on. However, he definitely had focus and anger issues that impeded his learning (likely due to abuse). Anything that was not practical in his hijinks was secondary or even tertiary. Obviously, he benefitted from Hermione's notes, corrections and influence, which carried him and Ron academically but O.W.L.S. were all him when it came down to the tests themselves. The only core classes he did poorly in were History of Magic (duh) and Astronomy where he got an "A" but only because Hagrid's arrest interrupted the test. Not saying he was a brilliant student, he was good on talent but got distracted easily and there was a lot to distract him. N.E.W.T. level was another story. At that point focus, knowledge amd control became paramount and probably would have weeded him out. For going with his gut or on-the-fly tactics or leadership he did well (according to the story). However, he lead with his emotions and that was often silly and exploitable. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:If Goku went to Hogwarts he would have defeated Voldemort by book 3 And exactly what about anything in the DBZ universe leads you to believe any conflict is resolved quickly? They will spend an hour powering up one attack in the middle of a fight and spend the rest of the time talking about how powerful that attack is going to be. If HP was written DBZ style there'd be 857 books, 3 of which would deal with basalisks, polymorph potions, and making fun of nevil. The other 854 would be harry's fight against voldemort.
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CainFortea posted:And exactly what about anything in the DBZ universe leads you to believe any conflict is resolved quickly? They will spend an hour powering up one attack in the middle of a fight and spend the rest of the time talking about how powerful that attack is going to be. That sounds way better
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Sydin posted:I still remember being flabbergasted my first time reading Book 6 that Dumbledore didn't take any time in his private sessions with Harry to teach him like, any magic that could be helpful. Just a bunch of pouring over old memories. Hell at a minimum maybe pick up where he left off with those anti-mindreading magic lessons? Like you know you're going to send this kid off to fight an incredibly powerful wizard within a year, really no useful spells you could impart, even just support stuff for his journey? NikkolasKing posted:Harry is an overly passive protagonist, that is a definite flaw in the series. However, one year of coaching a 16-year-old is not going to let them fight and defeat Mike Tyson. Nothing Dumbledore could teach Harry in a year would let him defeat a guy who has spent almost a century traveling the world and learning more about magic than anyone else alive. Maybe one year of coaching wouldn't have helped Harry defeat the guy who knew more about magic than anyone else, but at least anything to help him survive insurmountable odds would have been nice. Harry might end up fighting off lots of Death Eaters, so maybe Dumbledore should have set up Harry to take lessons from him, Moody or even Flitwick (who was stated to be a pro duelist when he was younger). Teaching Harry Fiendfyre or giving him some Basilisk venom to destroy the Horcruxes would have made sense as well. As for some support, maybe teach Harry some magic that will help him hide from his pursuers like the Disillusionment charm or protect his location from being found. Hell, Hermione had to be the one to teach Harry to make those wards to protect their tent so he would've been completely hosed if Hermione was the one who got hurt and knocked out during their escape from the Ministry. If Harry needed to communicate silently with allies, then maybe he could have learned that technique of making your Patronus send messages. And when hunting Horcruxes, Dumbledore needed to break past Voldemort's magical defenses and wards to take the item, so maybe he could have taught Harry that. Dumbledore had an entire school year to teach Harry anything practical, but his "lessons" were a few hours of Voldemort History and then the next lesson takes place in a month or two while Harry just twiddles his thumbs.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That sounds way better Until you realize most of those books consist of " "Aaaaaaaa(extend for 300 pages)aah!" said Harry, as he charged his aura."
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Oct 12, 2020 13:19
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Hyperbolic Quidditch Chamber
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You're missing the bombastic recaps of the previous book which take up 1/4 of the book, and the preview of the next book that takes up another 1/4 of the book, so you rally only need to read every third or two book to keep up, and various side characters playing peanut gallery to every major fight and explaining to each other what's going on. And Voldemort tries to defeat Harron (the fusion of Harry and Ron) by transfiguring him into a gumball only for the gumball to start flying around and hitting him in the balls
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Oct 12, 2020 13:24
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The cool part of dragon ball potter was when Ron and Harry learned to drive.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You're missing the bombastic recaps of the previous book which take up 1/4 of the book, This is true of the existing HP books, tbf. At least two or three chapters of it.
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If you rode a fire bird out of a snake tunnel after stabbing a book to death you'd be talking about it that summer too!
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Oct 12, 2020 13:35
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Ron went to Egypt, Harry, maybe let him get a word in about that? No? Not interested in his family winning the lottery and going to Egypt? No. More snake bullshit that no-one was there to see.
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Oct 12, 2020 13:48
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DBZ is so much better than Potter what the gently caress are you people whining about
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When you think about it that Sectum Sempra spell is way worse than Avada Kedavra. It's super lethal to people but instead of being painless and instantaneous it splits you open in a shower of blood so you die in agony while splattering everyone around you in your bodily fluids. And it's wounds are untreatable and can't be healed except by another custom spell Snape made that you know he sure as hell never taught to anyone else. So as you die you have enough time for the inevitability of oblivion to dawn on you since you know that no one can help.
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Oct 12, 2020 18:19
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You'd think at some point Harry would have learned a combat spell besides the one that makes you drop your wand for a second.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:04
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Who What Now posted:You'd think at some point Harry would have learned a combat spell besides the one that makes you drop your wand for a second. The problem is that he learned that one, and he learned the summoning charm, but then he never bothered to combo the two of them. Expeliarmus -> Accio that guy's wand means that not only is your opponent at your mercy, but now you have two wands that are equally effective against them because of how fickle wand loyalty is.
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You'd think given how easy it is to steal somebody else's wand that there'd be like, explicit school rules about not doing it. It never comes up once whereas there should really be a huge problem of certain kids bullying others into intentionally or unintentionally surrendering their wands. If nothing else for sure one of the first things Malfoy would have done is have Crabbe and Goyle dunk Neville's head in a toilet and pick his wand out of his pocket.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:12
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Who What Now posted:You'd think at some point Harry would have learned a combat spell besides the one that makes you drop your wand for a second. Its kind of insane too. Literally of all Harry's friends are shown using a fairly wide variety of interesting sounding hexes and jinx in combat when we see them. You get things like the leg-locker curse, sneezing jinx, cutting charm, bat-bogey hex, etc thrown out by everyone causing interesting body horror poo poo. Then you have Harry who basically exclusively using the disarming spell. Maybe the stunning charm if he's getting real fancy.  I'm fairly certain loving Ron has a more varied spell repertoire in fights. They even figure out who the real Harry is in book 7 because he's the only one who actually uses Expelliarmus during the flight from Privet Drive.
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I don't think Harry actually casts a named spell outside of class once in the first book. In book two he learns expelliarmus, which becomes his default spell for the entire rest of the series. In book three he learns patronus, and also I guess technically the spell that banishes Bogarts In book four he learns acio for the first challenge, then learns a bunch other spells for the maze challenge, including a compass spell which IIRC he never uses again even when he and his friends are lost in the forest in book 7  In book five Harry doesn't learn anything new I think, but he does teach a bunch of kids his small bag of tricks. Funnily enough most of them go on to have a more wide variety of spells than Harry does when they crash the Ministry. I guess this is the first book where Harry uses one of the unforgivables when he crucio's Bellatrex, but apparently he sucks at it and she just laughs him off. In book six Harry learns Snape's incredibly powerful custom dark magic spell, which he uses once to maim Malfoy. He briefly duels Snape and by "duel" I mean Snape deflects all his poo poo easily and then knocks Harry on his rear end. I guess he also learns how to apparate. In book seven again Harry learns nothing new I don't think, but he does use crucio and imperius a bunch. So in total Harry knew... maybe a dozen spells? After six years of exclusively magical learning? I mean based on his OWL's and poo poo he supposedly was fairly competent at charms and transfiguration, but he basically never uses those ever in a practical manner.
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Sydin posted:I don't think Harry actually casts a named spell outside of class once in the first book. He uses a few other spells. I know he learns Lumos early and uses it throughout the series. Similarly he learns Reparo to fix his glasses (and eventually his original wand). Book 6 is also weird because he starts doing a lot of casual magic to summon water etc a few times which hadn't really been a thing before outside of the obligatory class scenes. Then that goes away in book 7 for CAMPING TENSION Its weird and inconsistent as hell
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W.T. Fits posted:Expeliarmus -> Accio that guy's wand means that not only is your opponent at your mercy, but now you have two wands that are equally effective against them because of how fickle wand loyalty is. You got me thinking about wand loyalty, and it's funny how Draco loving up Dumbledore's carefully-arranged plan does so much net good in the end. If things had gone according to how Dumbledore predicted it, then Dumbledore's wand would have gone inert or transferred its loyalty to Snape, so Harry wouldn't have been its master after he disarmed Draco. Without the death wand's protection, Voldemort's Avada Kedavra in the forest would have hit Harry 100% and he would've been permanently dead. With a fully-loyal wand, Voldemort's spell to set Neville's head on fire would have kept going until he burned to death, and Voldemort's Silencio on the people of Hogwarts wouldn't have broke so a significant portion of them who can't do wordless magic wouldn't have been able to defend themselves. Even if Neville had killed Nagini in one last-ditch effort, there still wouldn't have been anyone left who can take on and kill Voldemort.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:09
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Harry also learned flipendo when he was helping Ron kill gnomes over the summer, Diffindo to cut down tapestries and small shrubs, Skurge to get rid of goo, and Alohamora to open locked chests and steal their contents. Also every class in Hogwarts just kinda has a whole dungeon attached to it that he had to work his way through while all the other students learned the normal way. W.T. Fits posted:because of how fickle wand loyalty is. That's specifically the one super powerful wand (although I'm still not really sure what in particular makes it so much better than other wands) and that's its flaw as part of a fable about how keeping your head down is better than trying to fight people or resurrect the dead. Wands also don't like it when they're used against their brother wand, but that doesn't come up much.
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SlothfulCobra posted:That's specifically the one super powerful wand (although I'm still not really sure what in particular makes it so much better than other wands) and that's its flaw as part of a fable about how keeping your head down is better than trying to fight people or resurrect the dead. No, it actually does apply to all wands. After Harry's wand is broken, Ron gives him a replacement wand that he'd snatched off a couple of Death Eaters who'd confronted him while he was separated from the group. Harry notes that the wand doesn't seem to perform as well as his old wand did, but Hermione tries to say that it's all in his head. Then later on, after they escape from Malfoy manor, Harry has taken Draco's wand after overpowering him in a fight, and notes that Draco's wand works just fine for him. Meanwhile, for the bank heist, they give Hermione Bellatrix Lestrange's wand to replace hers (and to also complete the disguise and pass a security check), and Hermione grouses that the wand doesn't seem to work as well as her old wand did. It was someone else who overpowered Bellatrix, not Hermione, so as far as the wand is concerned, Hermione isn't a worthy master. The thing that people got wrong from the fable (including Voldemort) was assuming that in order to master the Elder Wand you explicitly need to kill the previous master. But the Elder Wand is just like any other wand in terms of its loyalty - it recognizes whoever bested its previous master is its new master, regardless of whether it's killing them or simply knocking their wand out of their hand. As for why the Elder Wand was so much more powerful than most other wands: Wikipedia article on Sambucus posted:Folklore related to elder trees is extensive and can vary according to region.[24] In some traditions, the elder tree is thought to ward off evil and give protection from witches, while other beliefs say that witches often congregate under the plant, especially when it is full of fruit.[25] W.T. Fits fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:That's specifically the one super powerful wand (although I'm still not really sure what in particular makes it so much better than other wands) and that's its flaw as part of a fable about how keeping your head down is better than trying to fight people or resurrect the dead. No it's every wand because Harry gains ownership of Malfoy's wand after he beats him in the room of requirement and uses it for the rest of the book. And it was a thing in the early books that part of the reason Ron sucked so much at doing anything was that since he was poor he was using a hand-me-down wand that didn't recognize him as its owner. He gets a lot better at magic in the later books when his parents finally splurge and get him his own.
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Oh yeah I forgot about alohamora. I get that magic wasn't really the "point" of Harry's quest but I do wish he'd done more spellwork. Hell after book six where we learned that Snape just created new spells, my pet theory for how Harry was going to beat Voldy was to create his own spell that was capable of blocking/reflecting AK. Like he'd combine the ideas of how a patronus works and the magic Lily shielded him with to create a defensive spell based in love and kinship, and that Harry would use it to ultimately overcome Voldy's magic and ideology: it's his friends and his bonds that allow Harry to power a spell that defeats Voldemort, vs Voldy who is ultimately alone and only cares about power, rendered useless when his power to kill is. But then I guess wand loyalty technicalities work too. SlothfulCobra posted:That's specifically the one super powerful wand (although I'm still not really sure what in particular makes it so much better than other wands) and that's its flaw as part of a fable about how keeping your head down is better than trying to fight people or resurrect the dead. In the seventh book after Harry's wand gets snapped he disarms Malfoy and IIRC it's explained that the reason he's able to use Malfoy's wand for the rest of the book is because he "won" it by forcefully taking it from Malfoy.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Harry also learned flipendo when he was helping Ron kill gnomes over the summer, Diffindo to cut down tapestries and small shrubs, Skurge to get rid of goo, and Alohamora to open locked chests and steal their contents. And to get to the Slytherin Commonroom you gotta get passed the giant murderous spiders. Dunno if you or anybody else here remember or watched the Harry Potter Let's Plays done on this here forum about a decade ago now but I still love them and I'm very grateful I saved at least 7 of them. A billion dollar franchise yet they churned out this poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o1_tgGuyfM
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Licensed games are such an interesting grab bag, because even though most of the time they're trash, a lot of work still ends up going into videogames just to make a product that works, and sometimes the developers wind up pouring their heart into it and make something amazing that could be one of the best games ever. I never heard of any of the Harry Potter games being more than mediocre, but the developers did put a lot of work into figuring out how to let the player play through the stories. I really really liked flying around Hogwarts in Chamber of Secrets too. W.T. Fits posted:No, it actually does apply to all wands. Well, if it's a thing that only really comes up in the last book, then I understand why I don't know much about it, because that book sucked and I read it only the once. I thought the rest was just the whole thing where wands are custom made because some wands don't work well for some people but better for others.
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You know, that does explain a lot about Neville's poor spellwork in the earlier books. IIRC, Neville used his dad's wand, so if his dad was defeated by the Lestranges then the wand's loyalty went to them. Trying to cast spells with a wand that doesn't want to obey you definitely didn't do any favors for Neville's anxiety and low self-esteem. There's some irony in Neville's grandmother being so determined to make Neville be more like his dad that giving him his dad's wand turned out to be a massive handicap.
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amigolupus posted:You know, that does explain a lot about Neville's poor spellwork in the earlier books. IIRC, Neville used his dad's wand, so if his dad was defeated by the Lestranges then the wand's loyalty went to them. Trying to cast spells with a wand that doesn't want to obey you definitely didn't do any favors for Neville's anxiety and low self-esteem. Neville's upbringing is honestly probably more abusive than Harry's. He tells a 'funny story' of how he discovered he had magic in one of the early books. He was so late to display it everyone thought he was a squib so his great-uncle dropped him out of a third story window and he only survived by instinctually turning himself into rubber. He then talks about how that was the first time his grandmother ever seemed proud of him. Its insanely hosed
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Zore posted:Its kind of insane too. Literally of all Harry's friends are shown using a fairly wide variety of interesting sounding hexes and jinx in combat when we see them. You get things like the leg-locker curse, sneezing jinx, cutting charm, bat-bogey hex, etc thrown out by everyone causing interesting body horror poo poo. Then you have Harry who basically exclusively using the disarming spell. Maybe the stunning charm if he's getting real fancy. It is kinda funny that whenever Harry and Voldemort have a clash they pit power of instant death against the power of... pushing a stick out of a hand.
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amigolupus posted:You know, that does explain a lot about Neville's poor spellwork in the earlier books. IIRC, Neville used his dad's wand, so if his dad was defeated by the Lestranges then the wand's loyalty went to them. Trying to cast spells with a wand that doesn't want to obey you definitely didn't do any favors for Neville's anxiety and low self-esteem. Do wizards just like, not know this poo poo? Thousands of years of magical studies and not once do they notice that "hey, rando wands I pick up don't work as good as wands I take from the hands of my enemies"
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CainFortea posted:Do wizards just like, not know this poo poo? Thousands of years of magical studies and not once do they notice that "hey, rando wands I pick up don't work as good as wands I take from the hands of my enemies" Not really! In fact, in the seventh book, it's revealed that Voldemort had his followers kidnap the guy who runs the wand shop that Harry bought his wand from in the first book specifically to find out about poo poo like this and also about the whole "twin cores" thing that screwed him over at the end of the fourth book.
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