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If nothing else I have to appreciate the acknowledgement that nearly every adult man in the United States in the fifties was if not a veteran at least directly affected by the war somehow and it's really obnoxious how most critique of fifties era pop culture does not acknowledge this subtext at all Not that the flintstones itself is a particularly good example of this as it was an escapist situation comedy but this particular theme is really really obvious if you're reading fifties era pop culture with a broad lens
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think a key thing probably is that as comics faded into a dying hobby for rusted-on diehards like model trains, someone realised you can make cartoons about superheroes and give them an actual budget and kids will watch them, and you can even make movies about superheroes too, and they made millions of dollars and sold toys Comic books are just movies developed to the storyboard stage which then get audience testing. Doesn't take a lot to finish out the development cycle, really.
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DoubleDonut posted:I re-read Transmetropolitan recently for some reason and realized it seems very idealistic compared to current times, which is probably bad a central thesis of transmetropolitan is that journalists can even potentially be worth a drat, which just gets more and more lolworthy as time goes on
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Organic Lube User posted:Comic books are just movies developed to the storyboard stage which then get audience testing. Doesn't take a lot to finish out the development cycle, really. Comic book movies are based loosely at best on comics
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Cerebral Bore posted:a central thesis of transmetropolitan is that journalists can even potentially be worth a drat, which just gets more and more lolworthy as time goes on Beat me too it. It was even lolworthy at the time - Spider can write so well that people are shocked out of their complacency and into action. And he's really badass and ferocious in person. Just his anger us enough to get people to cower 
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I was like 14 when I first read it so it just kind of washed over me. I still enjoy reading it but, like, there's a bit near the end where tv journalists, faced with orders from the president (backed by occupying soldiers) to stop broadcasting footage of a government massacre, bravely defy those orders to Do What's Right Meanwhile, we don't even have to coerce journalists into supporting the police state, even when they're the actual victims of it
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DoubleDonut posted:Meanwhile, we don't even have to coerce journalists into supporting the police state, even when they're among the actual victims of it
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I always thought Transmetropolitan is just Hunter Thompson in the future. If lifestyle compounds existed, people would join their preferred one in a heartbeat.
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DoubleDonut posted:Meanwhile, we don't even have to coerce journalists into supporting the police state, even when they're the actual victims of it Mainstream American journalism will never recover from the post-9/11 Bush years when the attitude was pretty much "We go to the press briefing and the press secretary says stuff, and we uncritically report what he tells us."
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DoubleDonut posted:I re-read Transmetropolitan recently for some reason and realized it seems very idealistic compared to current times, which is probably bad I think, like a lot of entertaining pop culture criticisms of culture and government from the last 30+ years, it seems kind of quaint atm because it posits that the system is working and not falling apart; the biggest problem is that the system and its people are ignorant, they do and think things I don't agree with. At least in the first third, most of Spider's rants about how everything is wrong are done while he's upending some public gathering of people who seem pretty happy. He's a pissed off guy who lives in comfort, but is disgusted and enjoys shouting about how disgusted he is at all the other comfortable people. It's a criticism of the middle to upper class mindset of the late 90s-pre 9/11 00s Clinton years, where we were emerging into a utopian age, furnished by the irresistible democratizing force of high tech and liberalism. That doesn't really track today, since people (leastwise here in America) are riding a wave of apocalyptic thought and increasing privation, and the government appears to be breaking apart as a dopey fascist and his friends battle it out with the backbone of the federal government who themselves are pissed not by his politics, but that he's interrupted their multi decade project to quietly convert the government into a corporation that primarily services the accounts of their clients (other corporations). Nothing seems to be working, there is no protagonist, liberalism has lost the ability to assist its less wealthy constituency satisfy at least some of their interests and generate the effective propaganda it needs to hide its own, and tech is brazenly eating people and their civil liberties alive. Transmet is pretty dated.
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Some Guy TT posted:If nothing else I have to appreciate the acknowledgement that nearly every adult man in the United States in the fifties was if not a veteran at least directly affected by the war somehow and it's really obnoxious how most critique of fifties era pop culture does not acknowledge this subtext at all yeah America still basically refuses to acknowledge that or the role it had in creating this arch type of the stoic silent masculine man secretly filled with rage
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Some Guy TT posted:If nothing else I have to appreciate the acknowledgement that nearly every adult man in the United States in the fifties was if not a veteran at least directly affected by the war somehow and it's really obnoxious how most critique of fifties era pop culture does not acknowledge this subtext at all I think a good part of why the boomers grew up so spoiled is pop culture from their era onwards basically revolved entirely around them. Even their parents weren't really people, they were Mom and Dad, archetypes without depth or feeling beyond those socially acceptable to express.
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Some Guy TT posted:If nothing else I have to appreciate the acknowledgement that nearly every adult man in the United States in the fifties was if not a veteran at least directly affected by the war somehow and it's really obnoxious how most critique of fifties era pop culture does not acknowledge this subtext at all You could say the OG Flintstones did in an indirect way (even if it didn't realize it) by having the Sacred Order of the Water Buffaloes. Most people today don't get it at all or just think it's the Freemasons. But it's a lot more. Groups like the Lions Club and the Elks Club exploded in popularity after WW2, because besides their public purpose of being charities they served the function of being support and therapy groups for the gargantuan mass of veterans in a time before widespread public acceptance of mental-health. And it's no surprise that all these groups have mostly vanished because no American war, even Vietnam, ever came close to WW2 and thus they died out as the veterans did. So for a 50's/60's sitcom like the Flintstones having all the adult men be members of an animal themed secret society was considered normal, even if the show doesn't actually state why all the men care so much about it.
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page 3 (?) of you mfers talkin about the fuckin flinstones what is going on this pandemic had to end
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is there anything to watch these days besides uhh... Adam Sandlers Hubie Halloween? I guess the new mandalorian is out soon? wasnt really impressed that much by season 1
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i’m gonna watch Dick Johnson Is Dead on netflix tonight, about a cinematographer/documentary filmmaker making a doc about her dad dying, by filming him dying a bunch of different ways, sounds like it might be bad but it’s gotten great reviews and her previous doc Cameraperson was incredible trailer: https://youtu.be/wfTmT6C5DnM anyone else see this one yet? also cats is on hbo max now and i’ll prob watch that under some sort/s of influence
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i probably shouldn't admit it, but i've been binging seasons 12ish and on of Supernatural since the last season is here. It's been pretty hit-and-miss through the later seasons, but...god drat if I can't watch just about anything that Mark Sheppard is featured heavily in.
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Ive been watching the Fargo series for the first time. I’m surprised by how good it is! About halfway through season 2 now.
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mysterious frankie posted:Ive been watching the Fargo series for the first time. I’m surprised by how good it is! About halfway through season 2 now. yeah i just rewatched fargo, its a great show. i'm watching it and justified to help with inspiration for this crime in the modern south rpg campaign i'm running
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lol worf's lovely kid shows up on ds9 and is somehow even lamer as an adult
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Wheeee posted:lol worf's lovely kid shows up on ds9 and is somehow even lamer as an adult It's hilarious how he can't understand why his kid is so angry at him despite mentioning that he abandoned his kid on earth.
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Then like two episodes later he's gone back to his home planet because absolutely nobody wants him around then worf begins planning to have a new kid lol I love this stupid show, is Voyager worth watching?
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StashAugustine posted:https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1314068252541288448 there is no way this holds a candle to Rare Exports https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwT3wtUCv9Y
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mysterious frankie posted:I think, like a lot of entertaining pop culture criticisms of culture and government from the last 30+ years, it seems kind of quaint atm because it posits that the system is working and not falling apart; the biggest problem is that the system and its people are ignorant, they do and think things I don't agree with. At least in the first third, most of Spider's rants about how everything is wrong are done while he's upending some public gathering of people who seem pretty happy. He's a pissed off guy who lives in comfort, but is disgusted and enjoys shouting about how disgusted he is at all the other comfortable people. It's a criticism of the middle to upper class mindset of the late 90s-pre 9/11 00s Clinton years, where we were emerging into a utopian age, furnished by the irresistible democratizing force of high tech and liberalism. this is really well put.
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Wheeee posted:Then like two episodes later he's gone back to his home planet because absolutely nobody wants him around Voyager is awful and has aged even worse, don't bother besides maybe a handful of eps later on worf's kid becomes a lucky charm to the klingons because they believe having him around uses up all the bad luck
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Counterpoint: Voyager is good, actually.
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Serf posted:yeah i just rewatched fargo, its a great show. i'm watching it and justified to help with inspiration for this crime in the modern south rpg campaign i'm running Just finished season two. Much more of it was aggressively referencing and combining famous characters, songs/scoring, and scenes from the Coen’s past films, but drat if it wasn’t fun, and the ten hours flew by. I wasn’t expecting anything this wacky and- no better way to put it- vulgarly fawning after season one. Really has me eager to see what the hell season three and four do. I need to check out Justified again. A few years ago I watched a couple episodes and then just stopped for no reason. It seems really up my alley, seeing how I love small town/nowhere crime dramas and noir.
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mysterious frankie posted:Just finished season two. Much more of it was aggressively referencing and combining famous characters, songs/scoring, and scenes from the Coen’s past films, but drat if it wasn’t fun, and the ten hours flew by. I wasn’t expecting anything this wacky and- no better way to put it- vulgarly fawning after season one. Really has me eager to see what the hell season three and four do. Mike Milligan is probably one of my all time favorite tv characters, glad to see Woodbine get a role like that. Started Justified because after Deadwood I’ll check out anything with Timothy Olyphant (he pops up in the latest season of Fargo in a real curious role) and finished the show feeling the same about Walton Goggins, who I’d never watched before. Reminds me I gotta check out Vice Principals
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double negative posted:Mike Milligan is probably one of my all time favorite tv characters, glad to see Woodbine get a role like that. fun fact: walton goggins was supposed to die at the end of the first episode. but apparently test audiences liked him so much they rewrote it and look what happened also agreed on mike milligan. such a great character with such a fitting end
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so i decided to solve the star trek voyager good or bad question once and for all by watching a random episode that appeared in a meme in the nojoe thread specifically 3/14 alter ego i have not watched an episode of voyager in at least ten years i think since its never on cable its a kim slash tuvok episode and they are both goony weirdos in completely different ways this is cool as hell actually its somehow both more contemporarily relevant and more self aware than the random holodeck episode of the orville that i watched with my sister awhile back
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At first I was thinking he was supposed to be this season's Lorne Malvo (ie a charismatic, naturally poised, devil figure for whom the novelty of disrupting order & maintaining his self-image as an apex predator are the true ends he pursues under the pretense of amassing wealth), but I quickly realized he's the exact opposite; a man keeping his anger and anxiety in check under a mask of calm as he goes all out trying to be accepted into the higher echelons of the system, and whatever havoc he causes in service of that are the means, not the goal. Also, yeah, his fate is pretty funny. Welcome to the working week, Mike. E: My favorite Mike scene is when he shows up late to a very important event I won't spoil for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. That look on his face, like "Well, no reason to try and do a job that's already done," before jumping back in the car was priceless.
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also just from a screenwriting perspective i really liked how the initial plot of kim falling in love with a hologram transitioned to a completely different plot about tuvok which then dovetailed with the until then technobabble centric b plot to eventually create a climax that incorporates elements of all three storylines to deliver a punchline about aloof anonymous loneliness back when this came out i probably would have just thought this was an above average trek episode but goddamn thats like loving black magic compared to modern attempts at episodic storytelling thats about as subtle as a sledgehammer with its themes and somehow gives away any halfway decent twist ahead of time by trying too hard to subvert an established trope
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So Netflix has some show about the French Revolution with some supernatural elements going in the background, which I'll admit is always a genre I enjoy, but it looks like the AV club not big fans of it https://tv.avclub.com/la-revolution...source=facebook Sounds like some Liberal Bullshit to me posted:La Révolution offers an emphatically broad and scrupulously sanitized reading of history that champions the ideals of a revolution with little concern for its material context or mortal consequences. The French Revolution was a period of major social upheaval that established a precedent for representational, democratic government and Enlightenment era ideals, such as the separation between church and state throughout Europe and the rest the world. It was also a decade-spanning period of violent coups and counter-coups that marked the transition of one form of authoritarian government to another, slightly different form of authoritarian government. To tell a story, even a fantasy, that purposely omits either of these evident truths is not only disingenuous, but disrespectful in its tacit choice to frame history as an unimpeded arc of upward moral progress that just so happens to be built atop the graves of the countless lives lost along the way. Sounds like the reviewer doesn't love the idea that the Revolution was a wholly good thing even if a lot of bad stuff happened
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people who are being rewarded by the status quo are very invested in defaming and discrediting revolutionary movements of the past
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