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super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Don't forget Dominic constantly slut-shaming one of his students, who also later on would proceed to resort to sex work to raise money for Dominic's vacation.

I’d blocked that out, thanks :mad:

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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
It feels almost fitting that the legacy of Dominic Deegan seems to be abuse and neglect.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

super sweet best pal posted:

I’d blocked that out, thanks :mad:

SEE THE TRUTH!

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


Chapter 13 It's My First Day

This "chapter" is only 12 strips long. But it manages to pack a lot of bad into it.



So this is the set up to Luna becoming a researcher at Mominic's University, which does seem to be literally a modern research university like I'm assuming Mookie attended. It never struck me until now how ridiculously anachronistic the way. We see or hear also the inclusion of awful early 2000's Internet humour, like the pirate craze.



Oh look, it's Melna! As with most female characters in Donnie Deegan Melna is an awful example of a nuanced character is really a caricature of a man hating feminist, and we all know why she's like that. I hate Luna looking at the fourth wall while she thought-bubbles to the audience, it's so anime cringe. This is where we also learned that Tusk mouth is just an affliction that some people have, more on that later!



Here's a whole wacky cast of characters, each terrible in their own way. Runcible Spoon is just another monkey cheese random humour character, so stock and clichéd that he almost merits no further comment. Cassafinn is a non-entity who barely figures into the stories, except for that one time I remember where runcible makes her boobs expand to enormous proportions. The Nielen is the the smooth operator, also a stock character from many bad animes, except in this case everybody instantly hates him from the get go, so it's not really clear why he has such a smooth talking reputation. Oh it also at some point in the future I remember that Jacob tortures him to death. After he tries to steal Luna from Dominic of course. And see they all know that Melna's a man hater.



Yeah gently caress the townies again, god I hate them so much! Here's Luna credit Dominic was literally her entire character arc such as is it is. I actually don't disagree with Melna that Luna should be smacked for saying that. This is fetishization of a different kind but it is just as gross as Helixa dying with her boobs all covered in blood. It's this desire for a woman who was so broken that Mookie can build her up to a person again, earning her eternal gratitude. Luna isn't a person, she has no agency outside of Dominic.



Praised Dominic for his selflessness! Also once again not a way that a person who actually tried to commit suicide would talk. This whole thing is just so over-the-top saccharine bullshit. And really I don't think that we've ever seen Dominic treat Luna as an equal, or respect her. We've seen him put her on a pedestal, which is not the same thing, but there really hasn't been any time to deftly judge how Dominic treat Luna normal settings.



Here's where Mookie blunders into talking about things he really doesn't understand. The framing of this, where the orcs are the backwards foreigners who make women valueless without being married, is is a classic sort of Orientalist framing of things. Callan is American society, and to Mookie it apparently contains no systemic patriarchy at all. Whatever Croona was doing was purely her own work, and had nothing to do with the greater society around. And he is using the orcs, who are obviously coded as indigenous and presented with social structures that are now unfamiliar in the West like clans, as a way of speaking to the idea of a primitiveness and backwardness to their social customs. While almost all societies on earth have patriarchal structures that need to be addressed, the framing of them as if America and the West are further along the women's rights timeline or ladder, is incredibly problematic and has been used to justify interventions in foreign countries, like I mentioned during my rant on Star Power.

I'm not saying you can't have patriarchal elements in your stories, or have different societies exploring feminism or feminist issues. But if you're going to set up such an obviously coded for in other as being the one with the gender problems, then you are engaging in racist stereotypes.



Once again Luna slips into self-pity only to have all the characters bend over backwards to tell her what an enormous genius she is, in a way that we never understand or are shown.



Mookie's descriptions of the elements are so boring, and they don't even really work well. We all know that fire means passion because passion = body heat = fire. But saying you are as passionate as a fire does really make sense a metaphor.



And again the most on the nose duality metaphors that Mookie can think of. Everybody hates them for being a womanizer too, like I said. In the testing that they do seems to be just torturing him.



Luna has of course instantly impressed everyone and they all of her has a new member of the staff. Nielen, being the terrrible sex haver, wants to get into her pants.



And here's where you see that Cassafinn largely exists to show cleavage

Melna is really there the parts of this it stands out to me, how right from the get-go you can tell that he was planning something heinous with her. And it's funny to me how problematic the very first presentation of the orcs we see is. Literally the first thing we learn about their culture is that they are brutal to their women. Good job Mookie.

Next time: The Confession! the same story twice told by two different guest artists.

Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Oct 13, 2020

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I like the part where Luna's super-impressive thing is pointing out a simple mistake and everyone treating her as a mega-genius for it. Talk about unearned praise, christ.

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
I was wondering how it could honestly go downhill from the mess it already was.

Ah.

Ah.

You know that scene where all the germs in Mr. Burns' body are trying to get through the door at once and they can't because there's too many? That's how I feel about this.

The quality just went so, remarkably BAD, in so many directions at once, so severely, I cannot honestly keep up. I can't say anything because if I start it's going to be a dozen paragraphs. Holy gently caress. Luna only defining herself in relation to Mookie. The orc wanting to punch any woman who was ever reliant on a man. Their superhero skintight leotard wizard outfits. Runcible SPOON. Mr. Sexboy. Luna doing the coding equivalent of "oh, you forgot to close a bracket" "HOLY poo poo YOU'RE A GENIUS".

Oh my god, it got bad like, really fast.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
"Runcible spoon" is a direct crib from Edward Lear. He uses "runcible" as a nonsense word in numerous contexts, but "runcible spoon" is straight from "The Owl and the Pussy-Cat":

quote:

They dined on mince, and slices of quince,
Which they ate with a runcible spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand,
They danced by the light of the moon,
The moon,
The moon,
They danced by the light of the moon.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

The Little Death posted:

And so Hallock said dies with enormous bloody tits straining to get out of her corset. Miranda never uses those gauntlets again

Just wanted to ask you, are you using some voice recognition software to write your posts? Sometimes there's weird substitutions, some of which can be passed as puns ("Plutarch" instead of "Klo Tark" for example) but others like "Hallock said" instead of "Hellixa" are more puzzling.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


All the mistakes of what I can only imagine to be a speech-to-text thing are charming as hell imo. loving Plutarch. :allears:

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009

SubG posted:

"Runcible spoon" is a direct crib from Edward Lear. He uses "runcible" as a nonsense word in numerous contexts, but "runcible spoon" is straight from "The Owl and the Pussy-Cat":

I KNEW that sounded familiar. MOOKIE.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


Cat Mattress posted:

Just wanted to ask you, are you using some voice recognition software to write your posts? Sometimes there's weird substitutions, some of which can be passed as puns ("Plutarch" instead of "Klo Tark" for example) but others like "Hallock said" instead of "Hellixa" are more puzzling.

I do, and I try to proofread but sometimes I do this late at night and miss stuff. I spend my days typing so I sometimes use Dragon to give my wrists a break. I have tried to train it with Deegan words, but they don't seem to take. The machine rejects them.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Thinking about what’s coming up next, remembering just how BAD Battle for Barthas is.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
I forgot about Neilen.

:negative:

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Inktober update - Mookie made another weird-rear end flacid satyr necromancy pic, and two truly awful portraits.



This is the weirdest loving porn. I'd feel way less uncomfortable with it if it was just straight up boning.





I guess even he realizes he sucks at eyes, as he's just given up drawing them in the portraits, aside from the seer's third eye.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

The Little Death posted:

I have tried to train it with Deegan words, but they don't seem to take. The machine rejects them.
That's why they call it artificial intelligence.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
You know one thing that actually gets better with Dominic Deegan is the pacing, early on you can kinda see how Mookie can’t wait to do his big reveals...so he doesn’t. Like I bet he must’ve felt like a super big smart boi for thinking of that duality of Neilen scene, but instead of taking the time to establish him as a nice guy and then having him suddenly flip on Luna later, this dude comes in just to go “Yeah actually Neilen sucks” and we’re supposed to take his word for it.

But now his pacing is TOO SLOW, godawful. Until he has a scene he wants to do and suddenly it jumps from 0 to 100.

TheHan fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Oct 13, 2020

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

The Little Death posted:



Here's where Mookie blunders into talking about things he really doesn't understand. The framing of this, where the orcs are the backwards foreigners who make women valueless without being married, is is a classic sort of Orientalist framing of things. Callan is American society, and to Mookie it apparently contains no systemic patriarchy at all. Whatever Croona was doing was purely her own work, and had nothing to do with the greater society around. And he is using the orcs, who are obviously coded as indigenous and presented with social structures that are now unfamiliar in the West like clans, as a way of speaking to the idea of a primitiveness and backwardness to their social customs. While almost all societies on earth have patriarchal structures that need to be addressed, the framing of them as if America and the West are further along the women's rights timeline or ladder, is incredibly problematic and has been used to justify interventions in foreign countries, like I mentioned during my rant on Star Power.


Callan is also, as this is happening, in the middle of a genocidal campaign to exterminate all the orcs. Not "tried 100 years ago," actively in the middle of Orcsterminatus.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Oh wow



That face

That arm

That foot that appears to be facing away from his body at a 90 degree angle

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




First thing I thought of was Super Buu.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



That’s clearly a trace of two different posing figures; the waist makes no sense, but I think the upper body and legs work separately.

Also very on-brand to trace some Shaolin monk photos and combine them badly to try to rip off a pose from Avatar, on Mookie’s part.

Someone described this new university story as a huge drop in quality; I think this is true but it’s no worse than the Slaughterball team story. Mookie’s high fantasy nonsense is bland slop, but any attempt to depict a society or human relations in it is where his storytelling becomes terrible and insulting. He has nothing useful to say, sprays misogyny everywhere, and can’t understand the slightest implication of his flailing world-construction.

This is as at least as bad as before but less baffling and that makes it worse.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


God I am so tempted to sign up for Mookie's patreon just to see what his dream realm nonsense is. But I won't. And in case I wouldn't post it here because that would be be like :filez:

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
If Mookie's already been doing dream realm adventures with Dominic, why the hell is the Legacy wasting time with pages like this.



These Wednesday pages man...they're starting to get to me. Did we really need a whole panel dedicated to showing us Snout ALSO looked left? I think we could've filled in the blanks. And we still gotta do some anime poo poo with the corpse wife on Friday, what's he gonna chew her food for her too?

DamnitGannet
Apr 8, 2007

So... everyone is just cool with the fact that Melna will punch people in the face if they talk about how much they love their boyfriends? Like.. thats just a character quirk of hers that everyone tolerates? Cool, cool.

I know thats like, the least offensive thing about anything we've seen so far but drat, she was ready to cave Luna's face in.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


TheHan posted:

If Mookie's already been doing dream realm adventures with Dominic, why the hell is the Legacy wasting time with pages like this.



These Wednesday pages man...they're starting to get to me. Did we really need a whole panel dedicated to showing us Snout ALSO looked left? I think we could've filled in the blanks. And we still gotta do some anime poo poo with the corpse wife on Friday, what's he gonna chew her food for her too?

Look at the perspective on that hand. If he starts to teach her how to eat that fruit, and she's going to be some sort of Lilu blank slate character, Mookie will officially be the largest hack in the universe.

Agent Rush
Aug 30, 2008

You looked, Junker!

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Don't forget Dominic constantly slut-shaming one of his students, who also later on would proceed to resort to sex work to raise money for Dominic's vacation.

Wait, what? Apparently, I've missed bigger problems with Dominic Deegan than I thought.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Is that... Goatse fruit? No, wait, no ring.

The Little Death posted:

God I am so tempted to sign up for Mookie's patreon just to see what his dream realm nonsense is. But I won't. And in case I wouldn't post it here because that would be be like :filez:

Don't do it! That way lies madness and regret.

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
Oh hey, who was it that called she'd be in the tree, thereby wasting monday's strip entirely, and therefore also wednesday's by revealing monday's strip was pointless?

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

FlocksOfMice posted:

I KNEW that sounded familiar. MOOKIE.
The only caveat I'd offer is that it's possible that Mookie got it from somewhere other than the original source, as there are a lot of runcible spoons (and other runcible things) out there because other people have borrowed it already. There's a fight on a Navy destroyer using runcible spoons in Gravity's Rainbow, "runcible" is the codename for the primer in Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age, there's a character named Runcible in the Ni no Kuni games, and so on.

But that all said I'm way more willing to believe Mookie read a page-long nonsense poem by Edward Lear than that he lifted something off page 600 of a Pynchon novel.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Agent Rush posted:

Wait, what? Apparently, I've missed bigger problems with Dominic Deegan than I thought.

Said student starts selling racy photos of herself in skimpy outfits to raise money. She basically starts a patreon/onlyfans to raise money for the vacation of the teacher that constantly slutshames her.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls

TheHan posted:

If Mookie's already been doing dream realm adventures with Dominic, why the hell is the Legacy wasting time with pages like this.



These Wednesday pages man...they're starting to get to me. Did we really need a whole panel dedicated to showing us Snout ALSO looked left? I think we could've filled in the blanks. And we still gotta do some anime poo poo with the corpse wife on Friday, what's he gonna chew her food for her too?

This is loving agonizing.

rollick
Mar 20, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0_f5fkrCTA&t=6s

rollick fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Oct 13, 2020

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.
I haven't been up many trees lately, but I can't help but think climbing one naked when all your skin is maybe a few days old is a terribly painful idea.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Pretty sure that tree quadrupled in height since the panel that showed them lying down at its base.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

YF-23 posted:

Pretty sure that tree quadrupled in height since the panel that showed them lying down at its base.

Wild Edge :rock:Rock On

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

oriongates
Mar 14, 2013

Validate Me!


FlocksOfMice posted:

Oh hey, who was it that called she'd be in the tree, thereby wasting monday's strip entirely, and therefore also wednesday's by revealing monday's strip was pointless?

oriongates posted:

I'm guessing she's in the tree and will fall out or surprise snout by hanging herself upside down in front of him.

That was me, although I admit I didn't guess the not-coconut gag. But same general idea.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



We should keep a running tally of correct Mookie-prediction for The Legacy, this is the second time we've had a hideously correct guess about Corpse Mom Girlfriend.

In this way will we determine the new ruler of the thread.

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?
I've said it before, but it's an incredible testament to how bad Legacy is that I enjoy Little Death's revisiting of the OG more than this slow agonizing torment.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
I know Deegan Classic had its fans, even unto the end, although it was never as popular as it was early on. Is there anyone singing the priases of Legacy? I know Mookie has his patreons so clearly the answer is yes, but like are there any forums or threads on like GITP or whatever with people saying they like it?

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Oct 25, 2007

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