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yeah basically. idk lobbies can be cute but people just wanna, play video game
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euphemism posted:LOL what if Strive's netcode is the same "rollback" that Tekken uses? zinac is working on strive's netcode and he worked on killer instinct previously he was insanely angry at harada not understanding rollback and said he is loving over actual rollback
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KI has great netcode, that is reassuring. Shame about the lobby garbage. I hate that poo poo.
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OK, I'm still on board for the black vampire samurai cus that dude is cool as hell, but it seems to me from the very beginning that ArcSys is deliberately making this game bad, like as an intentional choice. And I'm saying "why?"
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well hopefully it just has private lobbies with 0 load time infinite rematch, since I don't really care about ranked/random public play anyway.
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Gologle posted:OK, I'm still on board for the black vampire samurai cus that dude is cool as hell, but it seems to me from the very beginning that ArcSys is deliberately making this game bad, like as an intentional choice. And I'm saying "why?" the idea is that the way guilty gear was will never sell to the average consumer because it's too hard, too dense, too much backstory, too many systems, etc, etc and that by toning these things down it will rake in the casual yens now, i think they're going about this the complete wrong way if they wanna do that, but you know
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i can kind of understand where they're coming from since they simplified team fighters with DBFZ (sold a bajillion copies) and cross tag (critically acclaimed) and it went well so they can do it again with guilty gear but then again, dbfz has a very popular license that buoys sales and cross tag isn't blazblue 5 so you can't really get mad at it for being such a big departure Smoking Crow fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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dbzf also treated the license well and is super approachable for new fight game players, while having the arcsys stuff like jump cancelling medium hits and junk
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Gutcruncher posted:Doesn’t this floor system make it completely impossible to get matches if you are booted up to an empty floor? Like in the loving beta that everyone complained about? I think the implication is that since there are no longer ranks or points you can no longer get ranked up to the next floor. It seems like Arc Sys thinks players are going to self select which floor to play on based on their skill level, which sounds like the biggest shitshow at launch, where players wanting to play against each other are just going to have to find a completely empty floor or mash on a specific floor over and over in hopes they can get in. As others have, said, Arc Sys has already done a physical lobby system and ranked modes better in the past. Why they always feel the need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to QOL/UX aspects of their game, I'll never understand. Innovation is not the end all be all, sometimes iteration is just as important. If they just perfected the best aspects of their previous lobby and matchmaking systems and improved the behind the scenes tech with rollback, etc. they'd have a killer online mode. FanaticalMilk fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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its prolly bc if you just used the xrd system for everything the Lobby coders would be out of a job.
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Why the gently caress does ArcSys have to do this when in SFV and MK11 and KI and like every other fighting game, if I want to find a match online, I just go to "Online" press button, "ranked" or "unranked", hit button, and then play game? What in the gently caress are they thinking? Why?
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FanaticalMilk posted:Why they always feel the need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to QOL/UX aspects of their game, I'll never understand. Every online MP game that isn't some tiny passion project is like this. There's this constant arms race to obfuscate anything that might be perceived as negative feedback, to get people who are fundamentally uncomfortable with competition and testing yourself against other people to participate in it anyways -- and pay money for the privilege. If anything fighting games held out a little longer than average thanks to a combination of being exclusively 1v1 (which rules out a lot of the psychological tricks you could otherwise deploy) and the overwhelming design conservatism of most fighting game developers. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Does Japan also hate the Arcsys lobbies? If not, that's probably your answer.
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Chaotic Flame posted:Does Japan also hate the Arcsys lobbies? If not, that's probably your answer. It was publicly reviled and afaik nobody over there liked it. Arcsys themselves published the ratings that users gave in regards to beta and the online componenet was like 1 or 2 out of 5 lol.
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Arcsys made the best lobby system with XRD and because that game sold poorly, they've determined to make nothing but terrible lobbies since then.
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Gologle posted:OK, I'm still on board for the black vampire samurai cus that dude is cool as hell, but it seems to me from the very beginning that ArcSys is deliberately making this game bad, like as an intentional choice. And I'm saying "why?" Strive kinda feels like a social experiment to see how many things people will forgive a game for if the characters are hot. I'm still kinda on the other side of the line here.
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It's weird how they keep flip flopping from functionally alright (BBTAG, XRD, GBVS) to 'why god why' (DBFZ, Strive) and back again.
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if the damage is as high as in the beta, it's fine by me in fact, some moves should do more damage 3 pot busters should be kill on the entire cast
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In Training posted:all the messaging since the beta has shown that they don't actually care about any feedback and have never changed anything about the project since the moment they unveiled it, assuming anything better in terms of presentation/structure is just false hope at this point. we just have to pray it's actually fun despite looking like poo poo and being unplayable online. They took the written names of the numbers out of the combo counter numbers.
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Smoking Crow posted:if the damage is as high as in the beta, it's fine by me Still laughing that some people were going nuts because of that video of 3 pot busters killing an idle dummy Chipp, fuckin OP bro.
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Yardbomb posted:Still laughing that some people were going nuts because of that video of 3 pot busters killing an idle dummy Chipp, fuckin OP bro. chipp should die in 2 busters don't lower damage on wild throw, make pot buster do more damage
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Now is a fantastic time to begin exploring the limitless world of Super Smash Brothers Ultimate, provided you have already invested in a Nintendo Switch console, USB Ethernet Adapter and a controller other than the included joycons.
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Reiley posted:Now is a fantastic time to begin exploring the limitless world of Super Smash Brothers Ultimate, provided you have already invested in a Nintendo Switch console, USB Ethernet Adapter and a pristine Wavebird controller. 
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My friend, there is a USB adapter that can accommodate this classic gaming peripheral.
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instead of paying $100 for incomplete games and a season pass, buy puyo puyo champions on sale for $5, which contains free dlc characters including one that somebody discovered in the middle of a tournament after mashing a bunch of buttons on the character select screen https://twitter.com/S2LSOFTENER/status/1310063052239372295
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Smoking Crow posted:zinac is working on strive's netcode and he worked on killer instinct previously oh thats what zinacs doing for arcsys? neat. theres one th ing to actually look forward to lol
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In Training posted:its prolly bc if you just used the xrd system for everything the Lobby coders would be out of a job. they could, i dont know, try optimizing the existing experience and add in new features like cross-language, pre-set communication tools since rollback will make playing other countries feasible lol
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euphemism posted:they could, i dont know, try optimizing the existing experience and add in new features like cross-language, pre-set communication tools since rollback will make playing other countries feasible lol more fishing
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Shlomo Palestein posted:So is the "complete" Daraku Tenshi/The Fallen Angels still happening? It was supposed to be out this August and all the news I see is still the same old articles announcing that from like, January. The company that announced that has announced literally dozens of games that barely exist, and if and when that release does happen it'll be exclusive to their arcade hardware in some nebulous way and you'll probably have to spend thousands of dollars to play it.
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's weird how they keep flip flopping from functionally alright (BBTAG, XRD, GBVS) to 'why god why' (DBFZ, Strive) and back again. I know that Arc Sys have multiple teams internally, I wonder if it's just a case of the teams not sharing enough tech or what? I know that's been a problem at times with Call of Duty rotating yearly between 3-4 developers within Activision. Where some years the game feels like two steps forward, one step back and doesn't necessarily build on the lessons learned over the course of the last game's life cycle since by the time those lessons are learned the next game is already 6 months away from release. I would assume Arc Sys, being a much smaller developer would not run into this issue as much. But I also remember hearing stories of internal teams at Capcom and Sega being very competitive and not sharing information, at least back in the 90's/2000's. Does anyone know if that's something that's still the case in modern Japanese game dev culture? PaletteSwappedNinja posted:The company that announced that has announced literally dozens of games that barely exist, and if and when that release does happen it'll be exclusive to their arcade hardware in some nebulous way and you'll probably have to spend thousands of dollars to play it. I don't know if this is inaccurate or Zerodiv have switched gears, but the Gematsu article for the announcement from last year mentions they plan to port it to console after releasing the arcade version: https://www.gematsu.com/2019/05/the-fallen-angels-complete-edition-announced-for-console-arcade If that's really the case, hopefully it means other exa-Arcadia games would get console/PC ports later on down the line. FanaticalMilk fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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I am not going to lie, I've been playing Guilty Gear casually since X2#reload and I think I am probably the exact person Strive is aimed at. It looks pretty drat fun, but god why are they doubling down on the lobby garbage. Like, if you must put in some sort of weird lobby mode where you can run around and poo poo, that's perfect for casual group battle lounges or whatever to give spectators something to do, it shouldn't be your default interface for ranked, or whatever "new system" you want to replace ranked with.
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I'm looking forward to Strive and that lobby system is still inexcusable. Like they've gotten it right in other games, why are they doing this weird pixel thing? Even if they're attached to the system, at least like, put in character avatars people would care about.
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chumbler posted:I'm looking forward to Strive and that lobby system is still inexcusable. Like they've gotten it right in other games, why are they doing this weird pixel thing? Even if they're attached to the system, at least like, put in character avatars people would care about. Well even on a very basic level, one should look at how many loading screens and how many button inputs it takes to get to the mode a player wants to play. Their economy there is totally hosed. In most games it's like, load into main menu, hit multiplayer and load into the menu, choose mode, and then get matched and choose character. Three inputs from the player, one real loading screen. DBFZ for example is ridiculous. Loading screen into main menu. Choose multiplayer or single player. Load into weird King Kai planet. Run/Teleport (if you want to navigate another menu to figure out how/where to teleport) to the mode you want to play. Talk to NPC to initiate the mode. Confirm it. Load in, get matched, choose character and load into game. It's a lot of unnecessary stuff for the sake of some window dressing no one cares about. Whatever this nonsense is, is way more of that.
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Meridian posted:Well even on a very basic level, one should look at how many loading screens and how many button inputs it takes to get to the mode a player wants to play. Their economy there is totally hosed. In most games it's like, load into main menu, hit multiplayer and load into the menu, choose mode, and then get matched and choose character. Three inputs from the player, one real loading screen. Even a Lobby I think is good (Fightin Herds) can seem too tedious to pull matches. Select MP, select lobby, find person to fight, press button, confirm delay, choose character, start. They're adding in a closed lobby similar to SkullGirls, where you get to enter lobby, ready up, go to fight.
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FanaticalMilk posted:I don't know if this is inaccurate or Zerodiv have switched gears, but the Gematsu article for the announcement from last year mentions they plan to port it to console after releasing the arcade version: Exa's deal is that they demand some degree of exclusivity for anything released on their platform, but it seems like they're loosening up as they become more desperate for content - their big exclusive feature for their Chaos Code port was "less input lag", for instance, which is nice but doesn't really justify the absurd markup. If and when Daraku Tenshi comes to their hardware, the exclusive content may end up being as paltry as that, but there are games currently on the platform whose devs can't port them elsewhere and it sucks. Exa's also said a lot of really dubious stuff about who they're working with, what's coming, their hardware, etc so I don't believe anything they say until I see it for myself.
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yo mamma a Horus posted:"Replacing ranked will be the “Floor” system that was also shown off in the beta where players will go between floors based on skill where each floor will be better suited for each player's aptitude levels and being able to have matches without having to worry about points. (2/3)" I mean this is basically how ranked already works, except this time its just visualized for absolutely no reason. Everything about Strive is just so weird to read. Like its meant to bring people in, but most games that center themselves around bringing new people... don't and end up being forgettable. From my experience what brings people are the characters and cool moves and if applicable, a hot license like Marvel or something. GG has the first 2 down so I have no idea why they're dumbing themselves down.
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chumbler posted:I'm looking forward to Strive and that lobby system is still inexcusable. Like they've gotten it right in other games, why are they doing this weird pixel thing? Even if they're attached to the system, at least like, put in character avatars people would care about. As bad as the reaction was to the lobby system from everyone, I'm wondering if the 'rona loving up everything is why they're sticking with it (and that ugly UI). They wanted something different, everyone hated it, but with everyone working from home, they just said "gently caress it, we're not going to waste the time to fix it right now, we need to get the game out ASAP." It's not a great excuse, but it's the one that feels the most likely to me
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