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KomradeX posted:So Netflix has some show about the French Revolution with some supernatural elements going in the background, which I'll admit is always a genre I enjoy, but it looks like the AV club not big fans of it Weird how no one ever makes this criticism of les mis but then most adaptations of les mis do all they can to avoid contextualizing what the gently caress is going on so they can pretend like the cop is nobly misguided rather than an idiot rube who kills himself when forced to acknowledge that he was the baddy all KomradeX posted:So Netflix has some show about the French Revolution with some supernatural elements going in the background, which I'll admit is always a genre I enjoy, but it looks like the AV club not big fans of it Weird how this criticism never applies to les mis but then most adaptations of les mis go out of their way to avoid contextualizing what the gently caress is even going on post timeskip to instead handwring about how the cop is a noble honorable figure when he is in fact an idiot rube who kills himself rather than own up to the fact he's spent his entire life being a shithead and the guy he's been hunting down this whole time is an infinitely more noble person than any of the assholes who sign his paycheck
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uber_stoat posted:next season you have this lovely fellow to look forward to. another reason for me to finally watch season 3. what a great scene that reflects on old money vs nouveau riche
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Not that CSPAM necessarily needs this PSA, but: https://twitter.com/LicensedT0Ill/status/1316388214576476165
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It's worded....weirdly, to be fair.
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KomradeX posted:So Netflix has some show about the French Revolution with some supernatural elements going in the background, which I'll admit is always a genre I enjoy, but it looks like the AV club not big fans of it quote:While the majority of the series is set in and around the French county of Montagris in 1787, two years before and approximately 80 miles away from the site of the formal beginning of the revolution, La Révolution’s opening scene jumps forward in time to offer us a peek at the carnage to come. “It is said that history is written by the winners. It is forgotten that it is rewritten over time,” a young girl’s voice tells us as the camera surveys the desolation of what we can only presume is Paris in the year 1789. “Transformed by books. Reinvented by those who didn’t live through it.” As we watch this same girl (played by Amélia Lacquemant), strutting astride a blood-drenched pale horse through an apocalyptic winter landscape before decapitating a nobleman with a machete, a rich blue geyser of blood spilling out from his neck, she tells us that her name is Madeleine de Montargis and that what follows is a testament “on how the century of darkness became that of enlightenment.” You know, barring that whole “Reign Of Terror” business and the rise of Napoleonic authoritarianism and all that—but yeah, sure, enlightenment! badass
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that whole review is like complaining that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter didn't cover Sherman's March to the Sea
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MoaM posted:Not that CSPAM necessarily needs this PSA, but: Vance is a venture capitalist who was in the marines as a public affairs guy, went to Yale Law School, worked for Peter Thiel, and didn't live in Appalachia.
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Atrocious Joe posted:that whole review is like complaining that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter didn't cover Sherman's March to the Sea Right, loving insane. If anything this review has convinced me to watch it cause it sounds awesome. I also stand by the idea that Abraham Lincoln Vampire hunter was a better Lincoln movie than Lincoln was
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Zerilan posted:Vance is a venture capitalist who was in the marines as a public affairs guy, went to Yale Law School, worked for Peter Thiel, and didn't live in Appalachia. Wow, he went to Yale? No wonder he's wasting his time in the arts. You'd think he'd choose one of the better institutions...
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Serf posted:people who are being rewarded by the status quo are very invested in defaming and discrediting revolutionary movements of the past This is true. Liberals get antsy ar any pop cultural depictions of change that don't adhere to their viewpoints
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also, lest we forget they whine "bad things happened in the terror" like bad poo poo wasn't already happening before that
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Some Guy TT posted:Weird how no one ever makes this criticism of les mis but then most adaptations of les mis do all they can to avoid contextualizing what the gently caress is going on so they can pretend like the cop is nobly misguided rather than an idiot rube who kills himself when forced to acknowledge that he was the baddy all Les Mis is a different Revolution.
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Something else I just realized about that dumb review, complaining about drawing parallels between wealth inequality in pre-revolutionary France and today isn't hasn't some economists or historians estimated that wealth inequality in America today is on par with that? Edit: Couldn't find anything that dargis that directly but I did come across this U.S. Income Inequality: It's Worse Today Than It Was in 1774 Not about France but still a big LOL
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Serf posted:also, lest we forget lines up really well with people complaining about the bolsheviks too and end up trying to rehabilitate tsarist russia
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MonsieurChoc posted:Les Mis is a different Revolution. In the 80 so years between 1789 and 1870 France saw more than a dozen revolutions, coups, counter coups, and that time Napoleon III launched a coup against himself. It was possible for a man to be born under the old monarchy and live under more government than he had fingers.
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galagazombie posted:that time Napoleon III launched a coup against himself.
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Serf posted:also, lest we forget Also there was literally a second (and third) Terror where aristocrats killed more people in a wave of revanchist bloodlust than died in the first Terror
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I think it's fine to criticize depictions of the past as portrayed in the media, but I'm not going to be too harsh on the show about Louis XVI being a vampire. It's obviously a work of pulp meant to channel anger at inequality today into a fantastical historical setting. It's only disturbing if you're afraid the Revolution went too far. I guess if they make Danton a demon or something, I would be sort of annoyed at it. I'm continuing the goon tradition of posting about a show I haven't watched yet.
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Serf posted:also, lest we forget reminds me of this 
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KomradeX posted:
Spielberg's movie was better on both a technical level and an ideologically level. It doesn't say that Lincoln personally ended slavery because he was so noble but that people almost voted for continuing keeping slavery and that Lincoln was racist.
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We need a bunch more Civil War movies. It's a bummer that Free State of Jones flopped because it's quite good, even if the one-drop case of Newt Knight's descendant should have been saved as an epilogue rather than intercut with the main narrative as flashforwards. There's lots of good movie potential with Sherman's March to the Sea, Grierson's Raid, the Siege of Vicksburg, or horrorshows like Albert Jenkins' brigade abducting free blacks during the Confederate invasion of Pennsylvania, the Fort Pillow massacre, or the Battle of the Crater.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:We need a bunch more Civil War movies. It's a bummer that Free State of Jones flopped because it's quite good, even if the one-drop case of Newt Knight's descendant should have been saved as an epilogue rather than intercut with the main narrative as flashforwards. There's lots of good movie potential with Sherman's March to the Sea, Grierson's Raid, the Siege of Vicksburg, or horrorshows like Albert Jenkins' brigade abducting free blacks during the Confederate invasion of Pennsylvania, the Fort Pillow massacre, or the Battle of the Crater. The Battle of North Anna with an extended scene of Robert E Lee just making GBS threads and farting everywhere while Grant kicks rear end and finally breaks the impasse of the Overland Campaign
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Atrocious Joe posted:that whole review is like complaining that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter didn't cover Sherman's March to the Sea Don't worry. Our collective fathers-in-law will be sure to talk over the entire movie to tell us about Sherman's March.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:We need a bunch more Civil War movies. It's a bummer that Free State of Jones flopped because it's quite good, even if the one-drop case of Newt Knight's descendant should have been saved as an epilogue rather than intercut with the main narrative as flashforwards. There's lots of good movie potential with Sherman's March to the Sea, Grierson's Raid, the Siege of Vicksburg, or horrorshows like Albert Jenkins' brigade abducting free blacks during the Confederate invasion of Pennsylvania, the Fort Pillow massacre, or the Battle of the Crater. Biopic of August Willich please Also I should check out Free State of Jones I guess?
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It's pretty solid. Notably the last 45 minutes or so deals with the immediate postwar period where the Confederate states backslide and basically reinstitute slavery under "apprenticeship" laws, which necessitates military occupation of the South by federal armies. Reconstruction in general doesn't get the time or attention it deserves compared to the war. It's depressing as hell, but Reconstruction's failure is one of the most significant events in the country's history.
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Tubgoat posted:What the Hell? Reichstag fire-type situation? he was elected president with a huge majority in 1848 but had to deal with a conservative parliament that stymied attempts at reform, and he was term-limited and couldn't run again so instead he staged a coup and declared himself emperor
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StashAugustine posted:Biopic of August Willich please marketing could have a bait and switch along the lines of "The Republican who almost murdered Karl Marx!"
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vyelkin posted:he was elected president with a huge majority in 1848 but had to deal with a conservative parliament that stymied attempts at reform, and he was term-limited and couldn't run again so instead he staged a coup and declared himself emperor You're trying to rehabilitate Louis Bonaparte in C-SPAM?
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Weembles posted:You're trying to rehabilitate Louis Bonaparte in C-SPAM? nah he sucked, that poster asked how he couped himself so I explained
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Weembles posted:You're trying to rehabilitate Louis Bonaparte in C-SPAM?
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MeatwadIsGod posted:It's pretty solid. Notably the last 45 minutes or so deals with the immediate postwar period where the Confederate states backslide and basically reinstitute slavery under "apprenticeship" laws, which necessitates military occupation of the South by federal armies. Reconstruction in general doesn't get the time or attention it deserves compared to the war. It's depressing as hell, but Reconstruction's failure is one of the most significant events in the country's history. if you want to make yourself mad for no reason try reading the negative reviews for the free state of jones most of which call the movie racist for having the main character be a white guy
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lately anytime i see nonpartisan political stories like this that try to frame a character as heroic just because hes trying hard with no discussion as what he actually wants to do i just assume hes a secret hitler the fun part of this is that half the time thats literally what ends up happening albeit not usually intentionally see also harvey dent in the dark knight
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i did a search for headlines on this show and apparently parisians are angry because its not real paris but stuff like ratatouille and midnight in paris is now personally ive never been to paris but ive always felt like the media ive seen that most resembles the real paris is the childrens cartoon miraculous because thats the only thing ive ever seen thats set in paris that treats paris like a totally normal place where people actually live and isnt constantly jizzing about how awesome paris is
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